Great tips :P

But how do you think ppl that cannot burn a .iso image and don't make
backups before they install know how to scrool up and read number 2. again? :P

and yes i did actually upgrade... had some trubles with the iso file from
start... but maybe i should make a clean install (when i have controled my
Wlan drivers work...)

"Dustin Harper" wrote:

> You should name it "Common Sense Rules for running Anything in BETA
> stage!"...
>
> As a beta tester for a lot of software, most of these are just common
> sense by now. A lot of people that are new to beta testing, and all the hype
> of Vista, is making them do stupid things. They are bashing the software and
> the little bugs they find (uh, it's beta! Report it!); they are upgrading XP
> like it's a final version (without backing up, no less); they can't burn an
> ISO (uh... if you can't use Google or Usenet to find out the answer:
> probably shouldn't try a beta!).
>
> Great bit of tips!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Dustin Harper
> http://www.overclockersrip.net
>
>
> "Mark D. VandenBerg" <MarkDVandenBerg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:88AD3A06-CBA0-43F2-8896-4BB33AAB3D5E@microsoft.com...

> > Andre;
> >
> > Feel free to blog it, digg it, edit it, and most importantly, direct
> > people
> > to it as a reference.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
> >

> >> I need to blog this. Awesome Mark.
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Andre
> >> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> >> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> >> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> >> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

>

The title alone will ensure that it will be compeltely ignored by everyone
who it would really help.

Maybe if the title was "Enlarge your penis now and get $10 million from
Nigeria", it would guarantee they would at least open it.

ROFL..awsome post


"Mark D. VandenBerg" <MarkDVandenBerg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:85BAAEE2-ADB8-455E-B81E-17DE55B4B4F0@microsoft.com...

> Being a newbie of admittedly severely limited mental capacity, but always
> wanting the latest things, I love any beta release of anything. Here are
> some tips that will help some people with their struggles to enjoy Vista
> Beta
> 2.
>
> 1. It is a Beta. If it worked perfectly, had all the drivers you need,
> and
> so on and so forth, it wouldn't be a Beta. The whole purpose of a Beta is
> so
> that a group of people can TEST the software and find the problems. So
> when
> you find a problem, that's the whole point!
>
> 2. Search the forum and the internet for an answer or at least an existing
> dialogue of your particular issue BEFORE posting a question. Andre and
> Zack
> are extremely busy, answering redundant, redundant questions and
> commenting
> on our inability to read. If they only have to deal with the same issue
> 300
> times instead of 400 times, they will have more time to deal with your
> issue,
> the one that is more important than any other.
>
> 3. If your hardware, the "Unobtanium Does Everything" thing won't work,
> that
> usually means that the Unobtanium Corporation hasn't done their job to
> help
> you. First see item 2. Then go to Unobtanium's support sites. Microsoft
> didn't build the thing, and if they had the drivers, they would have
> included
> them in the Beta to start with. Either that, or Microsoft is out to get
> you,
> personally, and is doing this to you on purpose.
>
> 4. Will "Whizbang's" software be compatible? Will it rain next Friday at
> 2:46pm? Who knows? Try it, and if it works, great, if it doesn't,
> complain
> to Whizbang. I never expected my Atari 2600 to run Coleco games, after
> all.
>
> 5. For this Beta, Windows Vista, do yourself a favour and do a clean
> install. Empty partitions are great for this. Don't have one? See item
> 2.
> Don't know what a partition is? See item 2. Don't know how to make a new
> partition? See item 2. Need software to make a partition? See item 2.
> Too
> inept or scared to try to make a new partition? Well, the world needs
> grocery baggers too, I suppose. You'll be so much farther ahead without
> old
> drivers and .dll's cluttering up the install you will make your goofy
> brother-in-law very jealous. The one with his dishwasher networked in to
> his
> toaster-oven with Wi-Fi.
>
> 6. Back-up everything. Twice. Then back that up. Then install. Don't
> upgrade.
>
> 7. Don't like Vista? "C:\ FORMAT". It's the only way. You did back up
> all
> you stuff, right?
>
> 8. Buy the DVD instead of downloading. It's less than $20.00. You have
> enough in change between the couch and your car ashtray. First of all,
> you
> then have somebody to blame besides yourself if it doesn't work. Second
> of
> all, there's a rumour that it has "bloopers" at the end for your
> enjoyment.
>
> 9. Just a thought, but if you lack the technical expertise to burn an .iso
> to a DVD successfully, what makes you think you can load SATA drivers
> during
> a botched install from a floppy you don't have? And now you've
> overwritten
> some of your existing operating system because you tried to upgrade
> instead
> of doing a clean install. You did back up all your stuff, right?
>
> 10. If you find a bug, meaning something that doesn't work, see item 1.
> Then see item 2. Then report it to Microsoft. How? See item 2. Why?
> So
> that Microsoft can address the issue, and so that you feel empowered,
> instead
> of like a thirty-something social miss-fit who still lives with his
> mother.
>
> Hope this helps!

I've only just seen this one...brilliant, well done Mark ;o)

It's so good I've saved it for posterity

--
Jane, not plain 64bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation

"Bones" <idonthaveone@blah.com> wrote in message
news:eOIvQifjGHA.4504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> ROFL..awsome post
>
>
> "Mark D. VandenBerg" <MarkDVandenBerg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> message news:85BAAEE2-ADB8-455E-B81E-17DE55B4B4F0@microsoft.com...

>> Being a newbie of admittedly severely limited mental capacity, but always
>> wanting the latest things, I love any beta release of anything. Here are
>> some tips that will help some people with their struggles to enjoy Vista
>> Beta
>> 2.
>>
>> 1. It is a Beta. If it worked perfectly, had all the drivers you need,
>> and
>> so on and so forth, it wouldn't be a Beta. The whole purpose of a Beta
>> is so
>> that a group of people can TEST the software and find the problems. So
>> when
>> you find a problem, that's the whole point!
>>
>> 2. Search the forum and the internet for an answer or at least an
>> existing
>> dialogue of your particular issue BEFORE posting a question. Andre and
>> Zack
>> are extremely busy, answering redundant, redundant questions and
>> commenting
>> on our inability to read. If they only have to deal with the same issue
>> 300
>> times instead of 400 times, they will have more time to deal with your
>> issue,
>> the one that is more important than any other.
>>
>> 3. If your hardware, the "Unobtanium Does Everything" thing won't work,
>> that
>> usually means that the Unobtanium Corporation hasn't done their job to
>> help
>> you. First see item 2. Then go to Unobtanium's support sites.
>> Microsoft
>> didn't build the thing, and if they had the drivers, they would have
>> included
>> them in the Beta to start with. Either that, or Microsoft is out to get
>> you,
>> personally, and is doing this to you on purpose.
>>
>> 4. Will "Whizbang's" software be compatible? Will it rain next Friday at
>> 2:46pm? Who knows? Try it, and if it works, great, if it doesn't,
>> complain
>> to Whizbang. I never expected my Atari 2600 to run Coleco games, after
>> all.
>>
>> 5. For this Beta, Windows Vista, do yourself a favour and do a clean
>> install. Empty partitions are great for this. Don't have one? See item
>> 2.
>> Don't know what a partition is? See item 2. Don't know how to make a
>> new
>> partition? See item 2. Need software to make a partition? See item 2.
>> Too
>> inept or scared to try to make a new partition? Well, the world needs
>> grocery baggers too, I suppose. You'll be so much farther ahead without
>> old
>> drivers and .dll's cluttering up the install you will make your goofy
>> brother-in-law very jealous. The one with his dishwasher networked in to
>> his
>> toaster-oven with Wi-Fi.
>>
>> 6. Back-up everything. Twice. Then back that up. Then install. Don't
>> upgrade.
>>
>> 7. Don't like Vista? "C:\ FORMAT". It's the only way. You did back up
>> all
>> you stuff, right?
>>
>> 8. Buy the DVD instead of downloading. It's less than $20.00. You have
>> enough in change between the couch and your car ashtray. First of all,
>> you
>> then have somebody to blame besides yourself if it doesn't work. Second
>> of
>> all, there's a rumour that it has "bloopers" at the end for your
>> enjoyment.
>>
>> 9. Just a thought, but if you lack the technical expertise to burn an
>> .iso
>> to a DVD successfully, what makes you think you can load SATA drivers
>> during
>> a botched install from a floppy you don't have? And now you've
>> overwritten
>> some of your existing operating system because you tried to upgrade
>> instead
>> of doing a clean install. You did back up all your stuff, right?
>>
>> 10. If you find a bug, meaning something that doesn't work, see item 1.
>> Then see item 2. Then report it to Microsoft. How? See item 2. Why?
>> So
>> that Microsoft can address the issue, and so that you feel empowered,
>> instead
>> of like a thirty-something social miss-fit who still lives with his
>> mother.
>>
>> Hope this helps!

>
>

Ok that was a good post. Too funny and I needed a laugh.
--
Comments, suggestions welcome…
Thank you,
TC



"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote:

> Being a newbie of admittedly severely limited mental capacity, but always
> wanting the latest things, I love any beta release of anything. Here are
> some tips that will help some people with their struggles to enjoy Vista Beta
> 2.
>
> 1. It is a Beta. If it worked perfectly, had all the drivers you need, and
> so on and so forth, it wouldn’t be a Beta. The whole purpose of a Beta is so
> that a group of people can TEST the software and find the problems. So when
> you find a problem, that’s the whole point!
>
> 2. Search the forum and the internet for an answer or at least an existing
> dialogue of your particular issue BEFORE posting a question. Andre and Zack
> are extremely busy, answering redundant, redundant questions and commenting
> on our inability to read. If they only have to deal with the same issue 300
> times instead of 400 times, they will have more time to deal with your issue,
> the one that is more important than any other.
>
> 3. If your hardware, the “Unobtanium Does Everything� thing won’t work, that
> usually means that the Unobtanium Corporation hasn’t done their job to help
> you. First see item 2. Then go to Unobtanium’s support sites. Microsoft
> didn’t build the thing, and if they had the drivers, they would have included
> them in the Beta to start with. Either that, or Microsoft is out to get you,
> personally, and is doing this to you on purpose.
>
> 4. Will “Whizbang’s� software be compatible? Will it rain next Friday at
> 2:46pm? Who knows? Try it, and if it works, great, if it doesn’t, complain
> to Whizbang. I never expected my Atari 2600 to run Coleco games, after all…
>
> 5. For this Beta, Windows Vista, do yourself a favour and do a clean
> install. Empty partitions are great for this. Don’t have one? See item 2.
> Don’t know what a partition is? See item 2. Don’t know how to make a new
> partition? See item 2. Need software to make a partition? See item 2. Too
> inept or scared to try to make a new partition? Well, the world needs
> grocery baggers too, I suppose. You’ll be so much farther ahead without old
> drivers and .dll’s cluttering up the install you will make your goofy
> brother-in-law very jealous. The one with his dishwasher networked in to his
> toaster-oven with Wi-Fi.
>
> 6. Back-up everything. Twice. Then back that up. Then install. Don’t
> upgrade.
>
> 7. Don’t like Vista? “C:\ FORMAT�. It’s the only way. You did back up all
> you stuff, right?
>
> 8. Buy the DVD instead of downloading. It’s less than $20.00. You have
> enough in change between the couch and your car ashtray. First of all, you
> then have somebody to blame besides yourself if it doesn’t work. Second of
> all, there’s a rumour that it has “bloopers� at the end for your enjoyment.
>
> 9. Just a thought, but if you lack the technical expertise to burn an .iso
> to a DVD successfully, what makes you think you can load SATA drivers during
> a botched install from a floppy you don’t have? And now you’ve overwritten
> some of your existing operating system because you tried to upgrade instead
> of doing a clean install. You did back up all your stuff, right?
>
> 10. If you find a bug, meaning something that doesn’t work, see item 1.
> Then see item 2. Then report it to Microsoft. How? See item 2. Why? So
> that Microsoft can address the issue, and so that you feel empowered, instead
> of like a thirty-something social miss-fit who still lives with his mother.
>
> Hope this helps!

You know...this was a good article and all, but it doesnt help the so called
NEWBIE when they get to the criticisms that this post has created. I've been
searching through these forums...reading lots about the x64 installation
problems to find some tips on my own "inability" to get the downloaded and
burned image to boot and I still havent found the correct tips.
I thought maybe this link to 10 helpful Vista tips my be what I'm looking
for...only to find a good article on what to do to help find problems on the
forums. Not much actual help with Vista itself, and a lot of criticizing
NEWBIE intellect, and reasons why they shouldnt be doing this sorta thing in
the first place.
Well...just wanted my 2 cents there..
Excuse me while I search the forum more for my Vista problem : )

"Mark D. VandenBerg" wrote:

> Being a newbie of admittedly severely limited mental capacity, but always
> wanting the latest things, I love any beta release of anything. Here are
> some tips that will help some people with their struggles to enjoy Vista Beta
> 2.
>
> 1. It is a Beta. If it worked perfectly, had all the drivers you need, and
> so on and so forth, it wouldn’t be a Beta. The whole purpose of a Beta is so
> that a group of people can TEST the software and find the problems. So when
> you find a problem, that’s the whole point!
>
> 2. Search the forum and the internet for an answer or at least an existing
> dialogue of your particular issue BEFORE posting a question. Andre and Zack
> are extremely busy, answering redundant, redundant questions and commenting
> on our inability to read. If they only have to deal with the same issue 300
> times instead of 400 times, they will have more time to deal with your issue,
> the one that is more important than any other.
>
> 3. If your hardware, the “Unobtanium Does Everything� thing won’t work, that
> usually means that the Unobtanium Corporation hasn’t done their job to help
> you. First see item 2. Then go to Unobtanium’s support sites. Microsoft
> didn’t build the thing, and if they had the drivers, they would have included
> them in the Beta to start with. Either that, or Microsoft is out to get you,
> personally, and is doing this to you on purpose.
>
> 4. Will “Whizbang’s� software be compatible? Will it rain next Friday at
> 2:46pm? Who knows? Try it, and if it works, great, if it doesn’t, complain
> to Whizbang. I never expected my Atari 2600 to run Coleco games, after all…
>
> 5. For this Beta, Windows Vista, do yourself a favour and do a clean
> install. Empty partitions are great for this. Don’t have one? See item 2.
> Don’t know what a partition is? See item 2. Don’t know how to make a new
> partition? See item 2. Need software to make a partition? See item 2. Too
> inept or scared to try to make a new partition? Well, the world needs
> grocery baggers too, I suppose. You’ll be so much farther ahead without old
> drivers and .dll’s cluttering up the install you will make your goofy
> brother-in-law very jealous. The one with his dishwasher networked in to his
> toaster-oven with Wi-Fi.
>
> 6. Back-up everything. Twice. Then back that up. Then install. Don’t
> upgrade.
>
> 7. Don’t like Vista? “C:\ FORMAT�. It’s the only way. You did back up all
> you stuff, right?
>
> 8. Buy the DVD instead of downloading. It’s less than $20.00. You have
> enough in change between the couch and your car ashtray. First of all, you
> then have somebody to blame besides yourself if it doesn’t work. Second of
> all, there’s a rumour that it has “bloopers� at the end for your enjoyment.
>
> 9. Just a thought, but if you lack the technical expertise to burn an .iso
> to a DVD successfully, what makes you think you can load SATA drivers during
> a botched install from a floppy you don’t have? And now you’ve overwritten
> some of your existing operating system because you tried to upgrade instead
> of doing a clean install. You did back up all your stuff, right?
>
> 10. If you find a bug, meaning something that doesn’t work, see item 1.
> Then see item 2. Then report it to Microsoft. How? See item 2. Why? So
> that Microsoft can address the issue, and so that you feel empowered, instead
> of like a thirty-something social miss-fit who still lives with his mother.
>
> Hope this helps!

How about before you beta test, learn to type, learn to talk, learn about
grammar, and then learn to do a CLEAN install! But I assume you have to wait
untill you have "controled my Wlan drivers work" which I assume means you
need to wait untill a driver for your Wi-Fi card, key, or whatever other crap
they are throwing Wi-Fi into now...

By the looks of it, you are one of those people that had to look up on
google what to do with an ISO file...

Well, enough bashing the small (and clearly simple) minded,
Pinky
P.S. Can someone put me in touch with Marks "goofy brother-in-law"? I want
to know how to network my toaster


"FarmerHE" wrote:

> Great tips :P
>
> But how do you think ppl that cannot burn a .iso image and don't make
> backups before they install know how to scrool up and read number 2. again? :P
>
> and yes i did actually upgrade... had some trubles with the iso file from
> start... but maybe i should make a clean install (when i have controled my
> Wlan drivers work...)
>
> "Dustin Harper" wrote:
>

> > You should name it "Common Sense Rules for running Anything in BETA
> > stage!"...
> >
> > As a beta tester for a lot of software, most of these are just common
> > sense by now. A lot of people that are new to beta testing, and all the hype
> > of Vista, is making them do stupid things. They are bashing the software and
> > the little bugs they find (uh, it's beta! Report it!); they are upgrading XP
> > like it's a final version (without backing up, no less); they can't burn an
> > ISO (uh... if you can't use Google or Usenet to find out the answer:
> > probably shouldn't try a beta!).
> >
> > Great bit of tips!
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > Dustin Harper
> > http://www.overclockersrip.net
> >
> >
> > "Mark D. VandenBerg" <MarkDVandenBerg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > message news:88AD3A06-CBA0-43F2-8896-4BB33AAB3D5E@microsoft.com...

> > > Andre;
> > >
> > > Feel free to blog it, digg it, edit it, and most importantly, direct
> > > people
> > > to it as a reference.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
> > >
> > >> I need to blog this. Awesome Mark.
> > >> --
> > >> --
> > >> Andre
> > >> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> > >> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> > >> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> > >> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta

> >