Re: 2 activations per 1 copy of OEM Win XP OK?

Posted: 08-06-2003, 10:52 PM
"Khanh Nguyen" <Khanh@NortelNetworks.com> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks for your answer, Nicholas. Another quick one if you
> don't mind:
>
> My kids and I share a PC. I made the primary hard drive
> removable so I can pull out my hard drive and let them
> insert theirs and off they go.
>
> Can I install 1 copy of Win XP on both of these 2 hard
> drives--they are identical in terms of make (Western
> Digital) and size (80GB). Thanks--Khanh
No you may only install the licensed copy once to one PC.
The use of removable drives is the same as dual boot setups with 2 disk
installed - it requires you to install to the machine twice - but it is a
different PC (due to the different hard drive) so it is a violation of the
EULA.
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"Khanh Nguyen" <Khanh@NortelNetworks.com> wrote in message
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>
> Thanks for your answer, Nicholas. Another quick one if you
> don't mind:
>
> My kids and I share a PC. I made the primary hard drive
> removable so I can pull out my hard drive and let them
> insert theirs and off they go.
>
> Can I install 1 copy of Win XP on both of these 2 hard
> drives--they are identical in terms of make (Western
> Digital) and size (80GB). Thanks--Khanh
>

Re: 2 activations per 1 copy of OEM Win XP OK?


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Shenan T. Stanley
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Re: 2 activations per 1 copy of OEM Win XP OK?
Posted: 08-07-2003, 12:32 AM
"Khanh Nguyen" <> wrote in message
> Thanks for your answer, Nicholas. Another quick one if you
> don't mind:
>
> My kids and I share a PC. I made the primary hard drive
> removable so I can pull out my hard drive and let them
> insert theirs and off they go.
>
> Can I install 1 copy of Win XP on both of these 2 hard
> drives--they are identical in terms of make (Western
> Digital) and size (80GB). Thanks--Khanh
Mike Brannigan [MSFT] <mikebran@online.microsoft.com> wrote:
> No you may only install the licensed copy once to one PC.
> The use of removable drives is the same as dual boot setups with 2
> disk installed - it requires you to install to the machine twice -
> but it is a different PC (due to the different hard drive) so it is a
> violation of the EULA.
So - now a different machine is a different hard drive? That sounds.. hard
to believe. I mean if the case was I had two hard drives installed in one
machine and I wanted to dual boot Windows XP on those two hard drives (the
drives never leave the SAME machine) then you are saying that is TECHNICALLY
two machines? Not even the EULA states that. heh

I agree with you on the fact that you can only "run one copy of the Product
on a single computer", but defining a single machine as TWO machine seems
stretching reality. I would just state that the EULA states exactly what I
said (I actually quoted it): "You may install, use, access, display and run
one copy of the Product on a single computer..."

It's not that you have TWO computers, it is that the EULA states you can
only install ONE COPY of the product on that SINGLE computer. Having two
hard drives does not two computers make. That's like saying having two gas
tanks on a vehicle makes two cars. heh

nit-picking and stuff..
(BTW Khanh, the answer to your question is still no. You have to buy a
licensed copy for every INSTALL of the product, even if you want 16 installs
on one computer. heh)

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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]
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Re: 2 activations per 1 copy of OEM Win XP OK?
Posted: 08-07-2003, 09:49 AM
Khanh

The EULA is not about "use" it is about "install".
We do not concurrent license the OS - we license by install.
You install to your PC once with a hard drive in it. The violation comes
when you remove the hard drive and install again with the intention of
keeping the first installation.
If you wiped the first hard disk then this would just be installing at a
different PC, and since there are no other installations around using that
CD and Key then this is OK.

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Mike
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"Khanh Nguyen" <Khanh@NortelNetworks.com> wrote in message
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> Microsoft's EULA bases on this fair-use principle which
> entails one use per one copy of the software.
>
> At any given time I and my kid can only have one use of
> the software on the same PC we're sharing. The same copy
> of the software is never being used simultaneously in more
> than one instance at any given time since it's simply
> physically impossible to boot both of the hard drives on
> the same PC at the same time.
>
> As such, please explain why my two-hard-drive-installation-
> but-one-use-at-any-given-time arrangement is a violation
> of the EULA?
>
> Regards,
> Khanh

Khanh Nguyen
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Re: 2 activations per 1 copy of OEM Win XP OK?
Posted: 08-07-2003, 03:52 PM
I'll be glad to come back with the result; Only that I
really don't know when.

Last thought: With all the resources MS has, one would
think their activation control algorithm would be clever
enough to handle multi installations in one PC. What a
shame! This could be a win-win solution: MS has activation
under control, customer happy with the convenience.
Mike
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Re: 2 activations per 1 copy of OEM Win XP OK?
Posted: 08-07-2003, 06:52 PM
>-----Original Message-----
>"Khanh Nguyen" <> wrote in message
>> Thanks for your answer, Nicholas. Another quick one if
you
>> don't mind:
>>
>> My kids and I share a PC. I made the primary hard drive
>> removable so I can pull out my hard drive and let them
>> insert theirs and off they go.
>>
>> Can I install 1 copy of Win XP on both of these 2 hard
>> drives--they are identical in terms of make (Western
>> Digital) and size (80GB). Thanks--Khanh
>
>Mike Brannigan [MSFT] <mikebran@online.microsoft.com>
wrote:
>> No you may only install the licensed copy once to one
PC.
>> The use of removable drives is the same as dual boot
setups with 2
>> disk installed - it requires you to install to the
machine twice -
>> but it is a different PC (due to the different hard
drive) so it is a
>> violation of the EULA.
>
>So - now a different machine is a different hard drive?
That sounds.. hard
>to believe. I mean if the case was I had two hard drives
installed in one
>machine and I wanted to dual boot Windows XP on those two
hard drives (the
>drives never leave the SAME machine) then you are saying
that is TECHNICALLY
>two machines? Not even the EULA states that. heh
>
>I agree with you on the fact that you can only "run one
copy of the Product
>on a single computer", but defining a single machine as
TWO machine seems
>stretching reality. I would just state that the EULA
states exactly what I
>said (I actually quoted it): "You may install, use,
access, display and run
>one copy of the Product on a single computer..."
>
>It's not that you have TWO computers, it is that the EULA
states you can
>only install ONE COPY of the product on that SINGLE
computer. Having two
>hard drives does not two computers make. That's like
saying having two gas
>tanks on a vehicle makes two cars. heh
>
>nit-picking and stuff..
>(BTW Khanh, the answer to your question is still no. You
have to buy a
>licensed copy for every INSTALL of the product, even if
you want 16 installs
>on one computer. heh)
>
>--
>Shenan Stanley
>
>
>.
>
If he has the same size hard drive as the first, why
couldn't he just Ghost the first drive?
Shenan T. Stanley
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Re: 2 activations per 1 copy of OEM Win XP OK?
Posted: 08-07-2003, 11:06 PM
"Khanh Nguyen" <> wrote in message
> Thanks for your answer, Nicholas. Another quick one if you
> don't mind:
>
> My kids and I share a PC. I made the primary hard drive
> removable so I can pull out my hard drive and let them
> insert theirs and off they go.
>
> Can I install 1 copy of Win XP on both of these 2 hard
> drives--they are identical in terms of make (Western
> Digital) and size (80GB). Thanks--Khanh
Mike Brannigan [MSFT] <> wrote:
> No you may only install the licensed copy once to one PC.
> The use of removable drives is the same as dual boot setups with 2
> disk installed - it requires you to install to the machine twice -
> but it is a different PC (due to the different hard drive) so it is
> a violation of the EULA.
Shenan T. Stanley <> wrote:
> It's not that you have TWO computers, it is that the EULA states you
> can only install ONE COPY of the product on that SINGLE computer.
> Having two hard drives does not two computers make. That's like
> saying having two gas tanks on a vehicle makes two cars. heh
>
> nit-picking and stuff..
> (BTW Khanh, the answer to your question is still no. You have to
> buy a licensed copy for every INSTALL of the product, even if you
> want 16 installs on one computer. heh)
Mike <> wrote:
> If he has the same size hard drive as the first, why
> couldn't he just Ghost the first drive?
I did not say it wasn't technically possible - just not EULA agreeable.

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S. C.
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Re: 2 activations per 1 copy of OEM Win XP OK?
Posted: 08-10-2003, 04:06 AM
This is interesting as my husband just had to reactivate
his copy of XP yesterday. Due to multiple hardware
upgrades a couple of weeks ago, he had to reactivate; no
problem. But, major conflicts and other problems forced
the need to reformat the hard drive and start over
several times. Yesterday, he finally got everything
working properly and had to call in to reactivate. Piece
of cake, even though he'd reactivated at least 4 times in
the past couple of weeks. Took about 5 min.

Anyway, he's been thinking about getting interchangeable
drives so he can use one for web surfing and the other
strictly for games. So he asked about installing XP on
two drives used for one PC. The answer? "NO PROBLEM,
that's perfectly OK."

As an aside; the MS employee he spoke with also informed
him that when you call in to reactivate it's totally
anonymous. I'm not sure I believe that, but if it's
true, I'll bet he's not supposed to be telling folks!

Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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Re: 2 activations per 1 copy of OEM Win XP OK?
Posted: 08-10-2003, 04:18 AM
SC;
Activation is anonymous and there is no intention to hide it.
In fact it is publicised:
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basi...ion/mpafaq.asp
1/3 down under "Privacy"

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http://dts-l.org/index.html


"S. C." <me@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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> This is interesting as my husband just had to reactivate
> his copy of XP yesterday. Due to multiple hardware
> upgrades a couple of weeks ago, he had to reactivate; no
> problem. But, major conflicts and other problems forced
> the need to reformat the hard drive and start over
> several times. Yesterday, he finally got everything
> working properly and had to call in to reactivate. Piece
> of cake, even though he'd reactivated at least 4 times in
> the past couple of weeks. Took about 5 min.
>
> Anyway, he's been thinking about getting interchangeable
> drives so he can use one for web surfing and the other
> strictly for games. So he asked about installing XP on
> two drives used for one PC. The answer? "NO PROBLEM,
> that's perfectly OK."
>
> As an aside; the MS employee he spoke with also informed
> him that when you call in to reactivate it's totally
> anonymous. I'm not sure I believe that, but if it's
> true, I'll bet he's not supposed to be telling folks!
>

 
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