50 million line code rumor

Posted: 04-27-2006, 01:44 PM
Anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor about Vista being up to 50
million lines of code?

50 million line code rumor


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Ed Dixon
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Re: 50 million line code rumor
Posted: 04-27-2006, 02:00 PM
There are a number news articles that reference this code count. Previous
news items for XP claimed the total at 35-40 MLOC.

Given that Vista is bigger and had many more files, 50 MLOC might not be
that far off. Other news items reference about 6 MLOC for Linux

Ed

"Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor about Vista being up to 50
> million lines of code?
>

John Jay Smith
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Re: 50 million line code rumor
Posted: 04-27-2006, 02:02 PM
I am sure that all of vista could fit in 100 mb or less if it was written
directly in machine code

remember the days when programmers had 48k of ram to work with, yet they
made whole games
with that 48k?.... they had to learn all the tricks in the universe on how
to be efficient....

Today a 750 GB baracuda drive is bieng sold..... why should MS care about
efficiency?

Lets bloat the thing to the sky!


"Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor about Vista being up to 50
> million lines of code?
>

Ed Dixon
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Re: 50 million line code rumor
Posted: 04-27-2006, 02:13 PM
In machine code it would be smaller, but there would still be 50 MLOC. The
problem is that Windows has become both wide and deep. Things like
integrating MSIE into every component ties the pieces together and creates a
bigger beast.

Ed


"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
news:O9AaxMgaGHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I am sure that all of vista could fit in 100 mb or less if it was written
>directly in machine code
>
> remember the days when programmers had 48k of ram to work with, yet they
> made whole games
> with that 48k?.... they had to learn all the tricks in the universe on how
> to be efficient....
>
> Today a 750 GB baracuda drive is bieng sold..... why should MS care about
> efficiency?
>
> Lets bloat the thing to the sky!
>
>
> "Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
> news:F2451C93-20F9-4B99-9649-E74994F681ED@microsoft.com...
>> Anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor about Vista being up to 50
>> million lines of code?
>>
>
>

Deborggraeve Randy
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Re: 50 million line code rumor
Posted: 04-27-2006, 02:19 PM
if so, why don't u write your own os

"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
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>I am sure that all of vista could fit in 100 mb or less if it was written
>directly in machine code
>
> remember the days when programmers had 48k of ram to work with, yet they
> made whole games
> with that 48k?.... they had to learn all the tricks in the universe on how
> to be efficient....
>
> Today a 750 GB baracuda drive is bieng sold..... why should MS care about
> efficiency?
>
> Lets bloat the thing to the sky!
>
>
> "Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
> news:F2451C93-20F9-4B99-9649-E74994F681ED@microsoft.com...
>> Anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor about Vista being up to 50
>> million lines of code?
>>
>
>
John Jay Smith
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Re: 50 million line code rumor
Posted: 04-27-2006, 02:40 PM
I am not a programmer, nor would I wish to live such a dreary life!
Nor do I have the special talent a programmer has to have.

The thing is that the easier it is for the machine to handle a program,
the harder it is for the programmer to write the code...
A machine would love a programmer who could think and write directly into
binary numbers... but no human mind is capable of doing that for complex
things.

If you make it easier for the programmer you need to use tools
to write and compile the code, creating bloat,
making more code that the machine must handle.


"Deborggraeve Randy" <randy1130@moerstaal.nl> wrote in message
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> if so, why don't u write your own os
>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:O9AaxMgaGHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>I am sure that all of vista could fit in 100 mb or less if it was written
>>directly in machine code
>>
>> remember the days when programmers had 48k of ram to work with, yet they
>> made whole games
>> with that 48k?.... they had to learn all the tricks in the universe on
>> how to be efficient....
>>
>> Today a 750 GB baracuda drive is bieng sold..... why should MS care about
>> efficiency?
>>
>> Lets bloat the thing to the sky!
>>
>>
>> "Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
>> news:F2451C93-20F9-4B99-9649-E74994F681ED@microsoft.com...
>>> Anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor about Vista being up to 50
>>> million lines of code?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Puppy Breath
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Re: 50 million line code rumor
Posted: 04-27-2006, 02:57 PM
Now there's a thought. Let's get started. Maybe we can beat MS to the punch.
Let's start with 000000 00001 00010 00110 00000 100000...

50 million lines of code. Kinda makes you wonder if we (humans in general)
aren't going about this whole thing the wrong way.

"Deborggraeve Randy" <randy1130@moerstaal.nl> wrote in message
news:%236r9UWgaGHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> if so, why don't u write your own os
>
> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
> news:O9AaxMgaGHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>I am sure that all of vista could fit in 100 mb or less if it was written
>>directly in machine code
>>
>> remember the days when programmers had 48k of ram to work with, yet they
>> made whole games
>> with that 48k?.... they had to learn all the tricks in the universe on
>> how to be efficient....
>>
>> Today a 750 GB baracuda drive is bieng sold..... why should MS care about
>> efficiency?
>>
>> Lets bloat the thing to the sky!
>>
>>
>> "Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
>> news:F2451C93-20F9-4B99-9649-E74994F681ED@microsoft.com...
>>> Anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor about Vista being up to 50
>>> million lines of code?
>>>
>>
>>
>
John Jay Smith
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Re: 50 million line code rumor
Posted: 04-27-2006, 03:27 PM
Perhaps there are some people that can do it, (write whole OS's directly in
binary code)
they are called savants or, idiot savants - autistic savants (a term not
used today but anyway).

These people can do enormous calculations with their brain, some of them
visualize numbers as colors and shapes, flashes of light... for some the
number they seek
just pops up from nowhere.... unfortunately most of these people lack other
functions
of the brain (that's why the term includes the work idiot, not as an
insult).

Their are various types of savants, like musical, artistic, calendar,
mnemonic...

There is ONE however that is perfectly normal, and not autistic....
his name is DANIEL TAMMET. Scientists are trying to understand how the hell
he is capable
of doing tasks that computers have a hard time doing....
He can calculate numbers 100 digit long in fraction of a second.. the MS
calculator handles only 32 digits... lol
(see links on the bottom of my post about this incredible guy)
Perhaps MS should get this guy to rewrite the Vista code for them (hehehe).

So the thing is, if HE can do it, then the human brain IS capable of doing
tremendous things,
but we don't know hot to TAP into those abilities yet....

Another well known savant is Kim Peek, from which the movie RAINMAN with
Dustan Hoffman was based on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet
http://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk...ieltammet.html
http://www.pi-world-ranking-list.com...ls/tammet.html
http://www.focusproductions.co.uk/Re...nman_Text.html





"Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
news:495A68D1-6C63-405E-8887-7FD09343C299@microsoft.com...
> Now there's a thought. Let's get started. Maybe we can beat MS to the
> punch. Let's start with 000000 00001 00010 00110 00000 100000...
>
> 50 million lines of code. Kinda makes you wonder if we (humans in general)
> aren't going about this whole thing the wrong way.
>
> "Deborggraeve Randy" <randy1130@moerstaal.nl> wrote in message
> news:%236r9UWgaGHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> if so, why don't u write your own os
>>
>> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
>> news:O9AaxMgaGHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>I am sure that all of vista could fit in 100 mb or less if it was written
>>>directly in machine code
>>>
>>> remember the days when programmers had 48k of ram to work with, yet they
>>> made whole games
>>> with that 48k?.... they had to learn all the tricks in the universe on
>>> how to be efficient....
>>>
>>> Today a 750 GB baracuda drive is bieng sold..... why should MS care
>>> about efficiency?
>>>
>>> Lets bloat the thing to the sky!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
>>> news:F2451C93-20F9-4B99-9649-E74994F681ED@microsoft.com...
>>>> Anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor about Vista being up to
>>>> 50 million lines of code?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Ed Dixon
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Re: 50 million line code rumor
Posted: 04-27-2006, 03:37 PM
Based on some of what I see in Vista, it appears MS has many who might
quality as "idiot savants". However in the MS case, only one of the two
words is needed to describe those folks...

Ed


"John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
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> Perhaps there are some people that can do it, (write whole OS's directly
> in binary code)
> they are called savants or, idiot savants - autistic savants (a term not
> used today but anyway).
>
> These people can do enormous calculations with their brain, some of them
> visualize numbers as colors and shapes, flashes of light... for some the
> number they seek
> just pops up from nowhere.... unfortunately most of these people lack
> other functions
> of the brain (that's why the term includes the work idiot, not as an
> insult).
>
> Their are various types of savants, like musical, artistic, calendar,
> mnemonic...
>
> There is ONE however that is perfectly normal, and not autistic....
> his name is DANIEL TAMMET. Scientists are trying to understand how the
> hell he is capable
> of doing tasks that computers have a hard time doing....
> He can calculate numbers 100 digit long in fraction of a second.. the MS
> calculator handles only 32 digits... lol
> (see links on the bottom of my post about this incredible guy)
> Perhaps MS should get this guy to rewrite the Vista code for them
> (hehehe).
>
> So the thing is, if HE can do it, then the human brain IS capable of doing
> tremendous things,
> but we don't know hot to TAP into those abilities yet....
>
> Another well known savant is Kim Peek, from which the movie RAINMAN with
> Dustan Hoffman was based on.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Tammet
> http://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk...ieltammet.html
> http://www.pi-world-ranking-list.com...ls/tammet.html
> http://www.focusproductions.co.uk/Re...nman_Text.html
>
>
>
>
>
> "Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
> news:495A68D1-6C63-405E-8887-7FD09343C299@microsoft.com...
>> Now there's a thought. Let's get started. Maybe we can beat MS to the
>> punch. Let's start with 000000 00001 00010 00110 00000 100000...
>>
>> 50 million lines of code. Kinda makes you wonder if we (humans in
>> general) aren't going about this whole thing the wrong way.
>>
>> "Deborggraeve Randy" <randy1130@moerstaal.nl> wrote in message
>> news:%236r9UWgaGHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> if so, why don't u write your own os
>>>
>>> "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote in message
>>> news:O9AaxMgaGHA.1200@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>I am sure that all of vista could fit in 100 mb or less if it was
>>>>written directly in machine code
>>>>
>>>> remember the days when programmers had 48k of ram to work with, yet
>>>> they made whole games
>>>> with that 48k?.... they had to learn all the tricks in the universe on
>>>> how to be efficient....
>>>>
>>>> Today a 750 GB baracuda drive is bieng sold..... why should MS care
>>>> about efficiency?
>>>>
>>>> Lets bloat the thing to the sky!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Puppy Breath" <alan@coolnerds.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:F2451C93-20F9-4B99-9649-E74994F681ED@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Anyone know if there's any truth to the rumor about Vista being up to
>>>>> 50 million lines of code?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Homer J. Simpson
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Re: 50 million line code rumor
Posted: 04-27-2006, 04:01 PM
> I am sure that all of vista could fit in 100 mb or less if it was written
> directly in machine code
....and it would ship in, ummm, 2027.


 
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