Administrator's delete password issue

Posted: 05-18-2008, 07:55 AM
Hi there,

I set up a Vista with a Administrator, password protected account and then
set up a Standard user account but at the moment I find that the Standard
user account can delete the Administrators password and account how can that
be?

What I would like to do is have an Administrators account and a User account
with Administrator privileges but I don't want the User account to be able
to Delete the Administrators account or password.

Is this possible with Vista Home Premium?

Many thanks, Tim.

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Re: Administrator's delete password issue
Posted: 05-18-2008, 08:33 AM

Tim;715070 Wrote:
> Hi there
>
> I set up a Vista with a Administrator, password protected account an
> the
> set up a Standard user account but at the moment I find that th
> Standar
> user account can delete the Administrators password and account how ca
> tha
> be
>
> What I would like to do is have an Administrators account and a Use
> accoun
> with Administrator privileges but I don't want the User account to b
> abl
> to Delete the Administrators account or password
>
> Is this possible with Vista Home Premium
>
> Many thanks, Tim
Hello Tim,
I could have said "impossible" to question #1, and "no" to #2. But tha
won't make you understand any better than before you asked. So, pleas
read the followings

WHAT IS A STANDARD USER ACCOUNT

A standard '_user_account_
(mshelp://windows/?id=ca5d36ab-2fa7-49bb-bcc1-fe25cae5fef4#gtmt_user_account_def
lets a person use most of the capabilities of the computer, bu
permission from an administrator is required if you want to make change
that affect other users or the security of the computer
When you use a standard account, you can use most programs that ar
installed on the computer, but you can't install or uninstall softwar
and hardware, delete files that are required for the computer to work
or change settings on the computer that affect other users. If you'r
using a standard account, some programs might require you to provide a
administrator password before you can perform certain tasks
<H1 CLASS=TITLE>WHAT IS AN ADMINISTRATOR ACCOUNT?</H1
AN ADMINISTRATOR ACCOUNT IS
_USER_ACCOUNT_ (\"MSHELP://WINDOWS/?ID=CA5D36AB-2FA7-49BB-BCC1-FE25CAE5FEF4#GTMT_USER_ACCOUNT_DEF\"
THAT LETS YOU MAKE CHANGES THAT WILL AFFECT OTHER USERS. ADMINISTRATOR
CAN CHANGE SECURITY SETTINGS, INSTALL SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE, AND ACCES
ALL FILES ON THE COMPUTER. ADMINISTRATORS CAN ALSO MAKE CHANGES TO OTHE
USER ACCOUNTS
WHEN YOU SET UP WINDOWS, YOU'LL BE REQUIRED TO CREATE A USER ACCOUNT
THIS ACCOUNT IS AN ADMINISTRATOR ACCOUNT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SET UP YOU
COMPUTER AND INSTALL ANY PROGRAMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE. ONCE YO
HAVE FINISHED SETTING UP YOUR COMPUTER, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE
STANDARD USER ACCOUNT FOR YOUR DAY-TO-DAY COMPUTING. IT'S MORE SECURE T
USE
_STANDARD_USER_ACCOUNT_ (\"MSHELP://WINDOWS/?ID=E28D50D9-3F22-49FB-A18E-041C84508643#GTMT_STANDARD_ACCOUNT_DEF\"
INSTEAD OF AN ADMINISTRATOR ACCOUNT
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</H3

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Re: Administrator's delete password issue
Posted: 05-19-2008, 07:55 AM

"t-4-2" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
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> Tim;715070 Wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I set up a Vista with a Administrator, password protected account and
>> then
>> set up a Standard user account but at the moment I find that the
>> Standard
>> user account can delete the Administrators password and account how can
>> that
>> be?
>>
>> What I would like to do is have an Administrators account and a User
>> account
>> with Administrator privileges but I don't want the User account to be
>> able
>> to Delete the Administrators account or password.
>>
>> Is this possible with Vista Home Premium?
>>
>> Many thanks, Tim.
> Hello Tim,
> I could have said "impossible" to question #1, and "no" to #2. But that
> won't make you understand any better than before you asked. So, please
> read the followings :
>
> WHAT IS A STANDARD USER ACCOUNT?
>
> A standard '_user_account_'
> (mshelp://windows/?id=ca5d36ab-2fa7-49bb-bcc1-fe25cae5fef4#gtmt_user_account_def)
> lets a person use most of the capabilities of the computer, but
> permission from an administrator is required if you want to make changes
> that affect other users or the security of the computer.
> When you use a standard account, you can use most programs that are
> installed on the computer, but you can't install or uninstall software
> and hardware, delete files that are required for the computer to work,
> or change settings on the computer that affect other users. If you're
> using a standard account, some programs might require you to provide an
> administrator password before you can perform certain tasks.
> <H1 CLASS=TITLE>WHAT IS AN ADMINISTRATOR ACCOUNT?</H1>
> AN ADMINISTRATOR ACCOUNT IS A
> _USER_ACCOUNT_
> (\"MSHELP://WINDOWS/?ID=CA5D36AB-2FA7-49BB-BCC1-FE25CAE5FEF4#GTMT_USER_ACCOUNT_DEF\")
> THAT LETS YOU MAKE CHANGES THAT WILL AFFECT OTHER USERS. ADMINISTRATORS
> CAN CHANGE SECURITY SETTINGS, INSTALL SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE, AND ACCESS
> ALL FILES ON THE COMPUTER. ADMINISTRATORS CAN ALSO MAKE CHANGES TO OTHER
> USER ACCOUNTS.
> WHEN YOU SET UP WINDOWS, YOU'LL BE REQUIRED TO CREATE A USER ACCOUNT.
> THIS ACCOUNT IS AN ADMINISTRATOR ACCOUNT THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SET UP YOUR
> COMPUTER AND INSTALL ANY PROGRAMS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO USE. ONCE YOU
> HAVE FINISHED SETTING UP YOUR COMPUTER, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU USE A
> STANDARD USER ACCOUNT FOR YOUR DAY-TO-DAY COMPUTING. IT'S MORE SECURE TO
> USE A
> _STANDARD_USER_ACCOUNT_
> (\"MSHELP://WINDOWS/?ID=E28D50D9-3F22-49FB-A18E-041C84508643#GTMT_STANDARD_ACCOUNT_DEF\")
> INSTEAD OF AN ADMINISTRATOR ACCOUNT.
> <H3 CLASS=TITLE_RELATEDLINKS>
> </H3>
>
>
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Hi there,

Many thanks for that which leads me to a second question the built in
administrator account if I password protect that account can a user with
administrator rights then delete the password on the built in administrator
account?

Many thanks, Tim.

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Re: Administrator's delete password issue
Posted: 05-19-2008, 01:45 PM

Tim;715955 Wrote:
> "t-4-2" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in messag
> news:75bea5d7e713b2a4ea91d614b3973e61@xxxxxx-gateway.com..
>
> Hi there
>
> Many thanks for that which leads me to a second question the built i
> administrator account if I password protect that account can a use
> wit
> administrator rights then delete the password on the built i
> administrato
> account
>
> Many thanks, Tim
Hello Tim
Yes, if you have 2 admin accounts, one can make changes to anothe
admin account. HOWEVER, you are using built-in admin account as exampl
which has an exception : you cannot change built-in admin account t
normal user account. It remains as admin account with or withou
password
So, that's what you were getting at from the beginning. I misunderstoo
what you said because we are used to call administrator account ( as i
account with admin rights ) or user account ( as in account Withou
admin rights). That's how we differentiate them, it's less confusing
Hope I have answered your questions

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Re: Administrator's delete password issue
Posted: 05-19-2008, 02:58 PM

"t-4-2" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
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> Tim;715955 Wrote:
>> "t-4-2" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in message
>> news:75bea5d7e713b2a4ea91d614b3973e61@xxxxxx-gateway.com...
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> Many thanks for that which leads me to a second question the built in
>> administrator account if I password protect that account can a user
>> with
>> administrator rights then delete the password on the built in
>> administrator
>> account?
>>
>> Many thanks, Tim.
> Hello Tim,
> Yes, if you have 2 admin accounts, one can make changes to another
> admin account. HOWEVER, you are using built-in admin account as example
> which has an exception : you cannot change built-in admin account to
> normal user account. It remains as admin account with or without
> password.
> So, that's what you were getting at from the beginning. I misunderstood
> what you said because we are used to call administrator account ( as in
> account with admin rights ) or user account ( as in account Without
> admin rights). That's how we differentiate them, it's less confusing .
> Hope I have answered your questions.
>
>
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> t-4-2
>
Hi there,

No you were right first time but I then discovered the Administrator account
(hidden) what I need to know is if I set a Password in the hidden
Administrator account can anyone with a normal administrator account access
and delete that password?

Hope that explains it correctly, Tim.

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Re: Administrator's delete password issue
Posted: 05-20-2008, 11:46 AM

Tim;716936 Wrote:
> "t-4-2" <guest@xxxxxx-email.com> wrote in messag
> news:c95eac66f27344d7ddeab4c8877b3b1f@xxxxxx-gateway.com..
>
> Hi there
>
> No you were right first time but I then discovered the Administrato
> accoun
> (hidden) what I need to know is if I set a Password in the hidde
> Administrator account can anyone with a normal administrator accoun
> acces
> and delete that password
>
> Hope that explains it correctly, Tim
Hello Tim,
Yes, you can delete the built-in admin's password with a normal admi
account, but the built-in will still remain as administrator -- that yo
cannot change

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Re: Administrator's delete password issue
Posted: 05-21-2008, 11:09 AM

Hi Tim

What version of Vista do you have?

If you use Ultimate, you can set up normal User accounts for anyon
else and then use the Group Policy to allow those accounts to do som
other things, like installing programs and surf as they need, o
whatever else you want to allow those accounts to do WITHOUT them havin
any rights to make system or user changes.

Group Policy can allow you to attach certain rights to a normal use
account, so they can do some elevated stuff, but you still retain th
only Admin priviledges so they can't be deleting passwords or messing u
anything you don't llow them to

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Re: Administrator's delete password issue
Posted: 05-21-2008, 01:50 PM

"Chappy" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Tim
>
> What version of Vista do you have?
>
> If you use Ultimate, you can set up normal User accounts for anyone
> else and then use the Group Policy to allow those accounts to do some
> other things, like installing programs and surf as they need, or
> whatever else you want to allow those accounts to do WITHOUT them having
> any rights to make system or user changes.
>
> Group Policy can allow you to attach certain rights to a normal user
> account, so they can do some elevated stuff, but you still retain the
> only Admin priviledges so they can't be deleting passwords or messing up
> anything you don't llow them to.
>
>
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> Chappy
>
> ::*_DAVE_* ::- vista ultimate 64bit - nzxt lexa classic case - asus
> commando mobo (p965/ich8r) - intel e6750 core 2 - zalman 9700 cpu cooler
> - 4g's crucial ballistix tracer ddr2 pc26400 ram - bfg 8800gts oc2 320mb
> - 2 x 22\" w2207 lcd monitors - 2 x 250g, 2 x 500g sata ii hdd's, 2 dvd
> burners c/w lightscribe (sony, tsst) - enermax noisetaker ii 600w psu
> with custom chrome cable sleeving - hauppauge hdtv tv tuner card - 5.1
> logitech z5500 speakers - 15 in 1 multi-card reader
>
> ::*We will _NEVER_ Forget!*::

Hi there,

Unfortunately these computers only came with Home Premium I will investigate
if a Standard User can be assigned install and surf privileges.

Many thanks, Tim.

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