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Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 11:51 AM
My thoughts too Jimmy.
Well done


"Dennis Pack x64, v64B2 (5384), OPP2007B2" <dennispack@nospamhotmail.com>
wrote in message news:183A189F-4EB9-4790-B075-6911C7C9204E@microsoft.com...
> Jimmy:
> Thanks for the excellent description and operation of UAC
> explanation.
>
>
> "Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
>> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
>> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind
>> it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off,
>> and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about
>> it.
>>
>>
>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>
>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
>> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>
>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
>> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
>> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
>> denied access.
>>
>>
>> * How does UAC work
>>
>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
>> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
>> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
>> get full admin access to the system:
>>
>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
>> click Continue
>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
>> clicking Run As Administrator
>>
>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
>> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
>> from one to the other.
>>
>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
>> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
>> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
>> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
>> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically
>> run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>>
>>
>> * What's the point of UAC?
>>
>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
>> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>>
>> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
>> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
>> without you even knowing about it.
>>
>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
>> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
>> got there or how it is started.
>>
>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
>> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
>> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
>> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
>> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
>> control your system.
>>
>>
>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>
>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to
>> your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that
>> come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
>> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>>
>> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
>> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then,
>> you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were
>> not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>>
>> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
>> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>>
>> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
>> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to
>> work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from
>> another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the
>> same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or
>> files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>>
>> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
>> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful -
>> you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try
>> to change a system-wide setting.
>>
>> In short:
>>
>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>> - Run setup programs as admin
>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
>> admin access
>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
>> yours or system files
>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>> files as admin
>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
>> panel
>>
>>
>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>
>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
>> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you
>> for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As
>> Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>
>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
>> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your
>> system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog
>> pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that
>> you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that
>> the Cancel button was available to you.
>>
>>
>> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>
>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>
>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
>> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
>> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
>> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How
>> many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are
>> still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer?
>> Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>>
>>
>> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>> similar programs?
>>
>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
>> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
>> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown
>> threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from
>> gaining access to your computer.
>>
>>
>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>
>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
>> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
>> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
>> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>
>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
>> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you
>> will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the
>> files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to -
>> such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>>
>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
>> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
>> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP
>> when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>>
>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
>> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
>> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click
>> Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does
>> not, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
>> from using it!
>>
>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS
>> by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your
>> computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do
>> with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
>> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
>> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>
>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
>> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
>> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control
>> and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this
>> go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
>> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by
>> mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
>> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over
>> your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
>> stopped it.
>>
>>
>> - JB
>>
>> Vista Support FAQ
>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>

Mark D. VandenBerg
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Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 01:05 PM
Jimmy gets a "golf clap"

--
Mark

My favourite so far: Unknown device has been correctly installed.


"Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind it,
> how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off, and
> answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about it.
>
>
> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>
> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>
> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
> denied access.
>
>
> * How does UAC work
>
> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
> get full admin access to the system:
>
> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
> click Continue
> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
> clicking Run As Administrator
>
> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
> from one to the other.
>
> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically run
> WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>
>
> * What's the point of UAC?
>
> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>
> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
> without you even knowing about it.
>
> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
> got there or how it is started.
>
> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
> control your system.
>
>
> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>
> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to your
> computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that come
> with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>
> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then, you
> will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were not
> designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>
> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>
> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to work
> with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from another
> operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the same
> vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or files
> that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>
> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful - you
> will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try to
> change a system-wide setting.
>
> In short:
>
> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
> - Run setup programs as admin
> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
> admin access
> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
> yours or system files
> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system files
> as admin
> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
> panel
>
>
> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>
> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you for
> it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As Administrator
> for them to run correctly).
>
> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your system
> without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog pops up
> and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that you do not
> want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that the Cancel
> button was available to you.
>
>
> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>
> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>
> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How many
> people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are still
> infested with programs that they don't want on their computer? Everyone
> that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>
>
> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or similar
> programs?
>
> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown
> threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from gaining
> access to your computer.
>
>
> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>
> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>
>
> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>
> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you will
> need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the files
> it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to - such as
> your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>
>
> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>
> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP
> when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>
>
> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>
> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click Run
> As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does not,
> then this is a bug.
>
>
> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
> from using it!
>
> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS by
> allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your computer.
> *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do with it
> turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>
>
> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>
> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control and
> allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this go
> right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by
> mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over
> your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
> stopped it.
>
>
> - JB
>
> Vista Support FAQ
> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
pippin
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RE: ANS: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission scre
Posted: 07-31-2006, 02:09 PM
Thank you an excellent post.
I did disable after reading it just bugs you etc I enabled again due to the
AV error but as soon as I installed an AV which worked for me I have UAC
enabled after reading this it will stay this way. I have alwys just run as
Admin on XP but with Vista I will make sure I have learned the levels of
security offered in my accounts and use them. The fact I will be alerted even
if I know I was doing something is a benefit for my computer and for my
learning. A simple RegProt didn't run for me this morning when it should have
on XP this proved to me UAC would have definitely alerted (even when I knew I
had to permit)

Thanks to all the experts for teaching us why we have the various tools.

"Jimmy Brush" wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this post,
> I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind it, how to
> use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off, and answer
> some common questions and respond to common complaints about it.
>
>
> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>
> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>
> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
> denied access.
>
>
> * How does UAC work
>
> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to get
> full admin access to the system:
>
> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
> click Continue
> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
> clicking Run As Administrator
>
> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change from
> one to the other.
>
> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts another
> program, that program will automatically be given admin powers without
> needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows Explorer as
> administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad will open and
> display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was opened from the
> admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically run WITH admin
> powers, and will not ask for permission.
>
>
> * What's the point of UAC?
>
> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>
> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer without
> you even knowing about it.
>
> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order for
> it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program got
> there or how it is started.
>
> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers and
> being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power is a
> VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system tantamount to
> "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now control your
> system.
>
>
> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>
> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to your
> computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that come with
> Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin permissions
> when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>
> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then, you
> will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were not
> designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>
> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even the
> built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as administrator" in
> order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>
> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain when
> you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to work with
> system files, files that you didn't create, or files from another operating
> system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the same vein, ANY
> program that you run that needs access to system files or files that you
> didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>
> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful - you
> will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try to
> change a system-wide setting.
>
> In short:
>
> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
> - Run setup programs as admin
> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
> admin access
> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
> yours or system files
> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system files
> as admin
> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control panel
>
>
> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>
> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to run
> a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you for it
> (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As Administrator for
> them to run correctly).
>
> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your system
> without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog pops up and
> it is from some program that you know nothing about or that you do not want
> to have access to your system, you will be very glad that the Cancel button
> was available to you.
>
>
> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>
> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something similar.
> Why do I need UAC?
>
> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How many
> people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are still
> infested with programs that they don't want on their computer? Everyone that
> I have ever helped falls into this category.
>
>
> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or similar
> programs?
>
> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other types
> of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They will get
> rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown threats, as
> well as prevent any program that you do not trust from gaining access to
> your computer.
>
>
> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>
> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs with
> admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could care less
> when a program runs that has full control of your system, and possibly your
> entire domain? You're joking, right?
>
>
> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>
> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to delete
> or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you want a
> program to have full access to the files on your computer, you will need to
> run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the files it needs
> access to in a place that all programs have access to - such as your
> documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>
>
> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>
> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission when
> it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP when
> you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>
>
> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>
> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If you
> are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click Run As
> Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does not, then
> this is a bug.
>
>
> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me from
> using it!
>
> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS by
> allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your computer.
> *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do with it turned
> on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>
>
> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got on
> my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>
> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't agree
> with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you CONTROL
> what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control and allow all
> programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this go right ahead,
> you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they worked in XP. But,
> don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by mistake that messes
> up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program somehow gets on your
> computer that you know nothing about that takes over your computer and/or
> domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have stopped it.
>
>
> - JB
>
> Vista Support FAQ
> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>
Alan Simpson
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 02:37 PM
Here's another little tidbit related to trying to make security best
practices the default settings for an OS. When XP first shipped it came with
an Internet Connection Firewall (ICF). But it was turned off by default, and
nobody knew about it. Millions of computers were infected by Blaster and
similar worms, only because people didn't have their firewalls up. Had MS
just turned that firewall on by default, those worms wouldn't have spread
the way they did and millions of people would have been spared much misery.

Lesson learned: Always make security best practices the default settings.
That's why all security features are turned on by default in Service Pack 2.
And that's why we have UAC, turned on by default, in Vista. Of course, Vista
has way more security than that. But the UAC thing is yet another reflection
of making security best practices the default from the get-go.

"Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind it,
> how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off, and
> answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about it.
>
>
> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>
> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>
> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
> denied access.
>
>
> * How does UAC work
>
> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
> get full admin access to the system:
>
> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
> click Continue
> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
> clicking Run As Administrator
>
> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
> from one to the other.
>
> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically run
> WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>
>
> * What's the point of UAC?
>
> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>
> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
> without you even knowing about it.
>
> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
> got there or how it is started.
>
> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
> control your system.
>
>
> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>
> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to your
> computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that come
> with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>
> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then, you
> will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were not
> designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>
> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>
> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to work
> with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from another
> operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the same
> vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or files
> that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>
> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful - you
> will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try to
> change a system-wide setting.
>
> In short:
>
> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
> - Run setup programs as admin
> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
> admin access
> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
> yours or system files
> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system files
> as admin
> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
> panel
>
>
> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>
> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you for
> it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As Administrator
> for them to run correctly).
>
> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your system
> without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog pops up
> and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that you do not
> want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that the Cancel
> button was available to you.
>
>
> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>
> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>
> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How many
> people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are still
> infested with programs that they don't want on their computer? Everyone
> that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>
>
> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or similar
> programs?
>
> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown
> threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from gaining
> access to your computer.
>
>
> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>
> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>
>
> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>
> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you will
> need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the files
> it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to - such as
> your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>
>
> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>
> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP
> when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>
>
> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>
> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click Run
> As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does not,
> then this is a bug.
>
>
> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
> from using it!
>
> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS by
> allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your computer.
> *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do with it
> turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>
>
> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>
> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control and
> allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this go
> right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by
> mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over
> your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
> stopped it.
>
>
> - JB
>
> Vista Support FAQ
> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
Chad Harris
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: UAC Deployment is far from painless at the moment and is big prob for MSFT
Posted: 07-31-2006, 04:01 PM
Alan--

I respectfully disagree that they make deployment of UAC "as painless as
possible." I'm not the lone ranger here. Even the uber tin ears at Redmond
on the UAC team have a sense that thousands of people are pissed off over
the deployment of UAC, many who use Linux or adminstrate Linux servers
saying that Linux manages to have the security MSFT is aiming for without
the deployment horrors.

Putting a box in someone's face ever time they touch the keyboard or mouse
is not "as painless as possible" and that''s pretty much what it's been
doing.

I'm plenty confident about my security so I tweak it out of the way. BTW
Gartner's figures still stand: If you have a hdw firewall (NAT in a
router), decent software firewall and with the MMC advanced snap-in Vista
sure provides that, and a decent AV program, and you update viral
definitions (many AV programsdo itseemlessly now--and Norton does it
"automatically" once every Wednesday in the PM Pacific (lol) or you can
shortcut to intelligent updater and do it manually every day, and you apply
the slew of hotfixes that will not be changing in Vista on the road to
Blackcomb/Vienna/Sequel to Vista


I would wait to draft the UAC chapter in your Vista book Allen and I have
some useful links on my post "this will help." If UAC is deployed in its
current state-- or close because what I know of the RC1 changes won't be all
that different but will be better, then a lot of us worry (and I think with
a basis from what I see on forums)

1) web sites will spring up like Topsy that will help people turn it off
because people get exasperated when they can't get things done. Not all
installs for example have a .exe that can be right clicked to run as admin
and people have trouble installing--the general population is going to be
similar to the same population that used XP although I know MSFT envisions
many first time users of Windows and 400,000,000 OEM 300 name partners Vista
desktops installed that will be screwed out of reaching Win RE without a DVD
that does it (not talking about corporate custom installs with that option
either that the softy PMs have been invoking--'cause little Suzie and
Johnnie desktop ain't no enterprise).

2) People will ignore the similar looking UAC boxes that spring up every
time someone wants to transfer a file or folder from their Vista boot to the
XP boot (you don't get it if you're reversing that procedure) and will
automatically click them--sometimes with downside consequences.

A few changes in RC1 for UAC will be:

When connecting to a network, you should see
a.. No UAC elevation when connecting to a wireless connection
Deleting a shortcut from the desktop will no longer require elevation for
administrators
a.. Task Manager launches right away and allows the user to elevate later

b.. Copying or moving multiple files to protected folders should require
only one prompt to gain access

c.. The Find New Hardware experience has been changed to remove the UAC
prompt until the user is ready to install the device

d.. "Set Focus" work has been done so that UAC prompts from applications
running in the background do not interrupt users' workflow. The users will
instead see a blinking item in the taskbar in these situations

e.. The OS has been scrubbed for UAC prompts, the net benefit being that
the number of UAC prompts is now reduced

f.. A much-requested feature from our IT community: Elevated command
prompts are distinguished by prefixing "Administrator:" to the title

g.. We've added a new ActiveX Installer Service so that administrators can
give Standard Users permissions to install controls from trusted sites

h.. All UAC prompts have been scrubbed so as to be more consistent and
informative, and also to provide users with improved context for deciding
whether to permit/deny the prompt

UAC Team Blog--Read posts from the archives--they are screenshot in detail;
Scroll Down; Click on the Archives and previous recent dates.
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/

http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...22/516066.aspx

Also read the comments on this blog from other MSFT teams; they are full of
tips.

Check out the Windows Vista Security Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsvistasecurity/

Security Integrity Team Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/si_team/

Antimalware Team Blog
http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/

UAC Team Beta Vista Chats:

6/22/06
http://windowsconnected.com/forums/70/ShowForum.aspx

9/28/05
http://windowsconnected.com/forums/thread/2846.aspx

and also check out these discussions:

O'Reilly Dev Center: UAC Overview
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/...ows-vista.html

Technet UAC Overview
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...ty/uacppr.mspx

UAC What's New in Beta 2?
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...21/641713.aspx

UAC Articles Technet
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...urity/uac.mspx

UAC Application Webcast
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...26/647384.aspx

Q&A with UAC Vista PM Chris Corio
http://windowsconnected.com/blogs/jo...01/21/558.aspx

UAC Gone Wild (Not to be confused with Girls Gone Wild who can't decide how
to wear their T-Shirts)
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6089415.html


Enjoy.

CH








"Alan Simpson" <flameme@nada.com> wrote in message
news:8EEABE3B-240B-47A8-A02D-7B8CBC340C33@microsoft.com...
> Well said Jimmy. But just a couple minor additions. Using a computer in a
> limited account for day-to-day stuff has been a security "best practice"
> for many years, and totally ignored outside the corporate environment for
> just as many years. Basically Vista makes that practice security best
> practice automatic and as painless as possible by letting you temporarily
> elevate on-the-fly on an as-needed basis.
>
> Also, for home users, there's a tie-in to parental controls here. From a
> password-protected administrative account you can set parental controls on
> children's standard accounts and monitor their computer and Internet use.
> The kids can't get to any of that from their standard accounts (without an
> administrative password). So they can't tamper with any of that.
>
>
> "Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
>> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
>> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind
>> it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off,
>> and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about
>> it.
>>
>>
>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>
>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
>> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>
>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
>> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
>> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
>> denied access.
>>
>>
>> * How does UAC work
>>
>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
>> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
>> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
>> get full admin access to the system:
>>
>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
>> click Continue
>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
>> clicking Run As Administrator
>>
>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
>> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
>> from one to the other.
>>
>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
>> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
>> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
>> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
>> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically
>> run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>>
>>
>> * What's the point of UAC?
>>
>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
>> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>>
>> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
>> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
>> without you even knowing about it.
>>
>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
>> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
>> got there or how it is started.
>>
>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
>> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
>> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
>> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
>> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
>> control your system.
>>
>>
>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>
>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to
>> your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that
>> come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
>> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>>
>> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
>> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then,
>> you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were
>> not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>>
>> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
>> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>>
>> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
>> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to
>> work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from
>> another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the
>> same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or
>> files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>>
>> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
>> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful -
>> you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try
>> to change a system-wide setting.
>>
>> In short:
>>
>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>> - Run setup programs as admin
>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
>> admin access
>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
>> yours or system files
>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>> files as admin
>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
>> panel
>>
>>
>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>
>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
>> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you
>> for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As
>> Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>
>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
>> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your
>> system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog
>> pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that
>> you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that
>> the Cancel button was available to you.
>>
>>
>> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>
>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>
>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
>> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
>> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
>> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How
>> many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are
>> still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer?
>> Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>>
>>
>> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>> similar programs?
>>
>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
>> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
>> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown
>> threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from
>> gaining access to your computer.
>>
>>
>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>
>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
>> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
>> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
>> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>
>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
>> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you
>> will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the
>> files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to -
>> such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>>
>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
>> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
>> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP
>> when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>>
>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
>> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
>> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click
>> Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does
>> not, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
>> from using it!
>>
>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS
>> by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your
>> computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do
>> with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
>> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
>> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>
>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
>> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
>> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control
>> and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this
>> go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
>> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by
>> mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
>> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over
>> your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
>> stopped it.
>>
>>
>> - JB
>>
>> Vista Support FAQ
>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>

Chad Harris
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Gartner's and other Surveys' Figures on Security--UAC not needed to be secure if you use common sense
Posted: 07-31-2006, 04:09 PM
I'm plenty confident about my security so I tweak it out of the way if it
begins to get in the way. BTW
Gartner's figures still stand: If you have a hdw firewall (NAT in a
router), decent software firewall and with the MMC advanced snap-in Vista
sure provides that, and a decent AV program, and you update viral
definitions (many AV programsdo itseemlessly now--and Norton does it
"automatically" once every Wednesday in the PM Pacific (lol) or you can
shortcut to intelligent updater and do it manually every day, and you apply
the slew of hotfixes that will not be changing in Vista on the road to
Blackcomb/Vienna/Sequel to Vista you have much less than a 1`% chance--a
very small fraction of it to contract malicious ware. Spyware can be
easily handled by the most inexperienced user if they use 2-3 scanners. I
don't find Defender has any dramatic advantage over many others, but it's
still a work in progress.

Where UAC is helpful is in limiting access to your box for certain Trojans,
blended threats, or possibly someone who gains access to the computer if you
lose it.

UAC Team Blog--Read posts from the archives--they are screenshot in detail;
Scroll Down; Click on the Archives and previous recent dates.
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/

http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...22/516066.aspx

Also read the comments on this blog from other MSFT teams; they are full of
tips.

Check out the Windows Vista Security Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsvistasecurity/

Security Integrity Team Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/si_team/

Antimalware Team Blog
http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/

UAC Team Beta Vista Chats:

6/22/06
http://windowsconnected.com/forums/70/ShowForum.aspx

9/28/05
http://windowsconnected.com/forums/thread/2846.aspx

and also check out these discussions:

O'Reilly Dev Center: UAC Overview
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/...ows-vista.html

Technet UAC Overview
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...ty/uacppr.mspx

UAC What's New in Beta 2?
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...21/641713.aspx

UAC Articles Technet
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...urity/uac.mspx

UAC Application Webcast
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...26/647384.aspx

Q&A with UAC Vista PM Chris Corio
http://windowsconnected.com/blogs/jo...01/21/558.aspx

UAC Gone Wild (Not to be confused with Girls Gone Wild who can't decide how
to wear their T-Shirts)
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6089415.html


Enjoy.

CH





CH


"Alan Simpson" <flameme@nada.com> wrote in message
news:8EEABE3B-240B-47A8-A02D-7B8CBC340C33@microsoft.com...
> Well said Jimmy. But just a couple minor additions. Using a computer in a
> limited account for day-to-day stuff has been a security "best practice"
> for many years, and totally ignored outside the corporate environment for
> just as many years. Basically Vista makes that practice security best
> practice automatic and as painless as possible by letting you temporarily
> elevate on-the-fly on an as-needed basis.
>
> Also, for home users, there's a tie-in to parental controls here. From a
> password-protected administrative account you can set parental controls on
> children's standard accounts and monitor their computer and Internet use.
> The kids can't get to any of that from their standard accounts (without an
> administrative password). So they can't tamper with any of that.
>
>
> "Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
>> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
>> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind
>> it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off,
>> and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about
>> it.
>>
>>
>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>
>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
>> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>
>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
>> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
>> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
>> denied access.
>>
>>
>> * How does UAC work
>>
>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
>> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
>> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
>> get full admin access to the system:
>>
>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
>> click Continue
>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
>> clicking Run As Administrator
>>
>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
>> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
>> from one to the other.
>>
>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
>> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
>> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
>> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
>> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically
>> run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>>
>>
>> * What's the point of UAC?
>>
>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
>> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>>
>> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
>> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
>> without you even knowing about it.
>>
>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
>> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
>> got there or how it is started.
>>
>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
>> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
>> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
>> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
>> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
>> control your system.
>>
>>
>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>
>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to
>> your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that
>> come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
>> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>>
>> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
>> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then,
>> you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were
>> not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>>
>> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
>> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>>
>> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
>> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to
>> work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from
>> another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the
>> same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or
>> files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>>
>> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
>> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful -
>> you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try
>> to change a system-wide setting.
>>
>> In short:
>>
>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>> - Run setup programs as admin
>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
>> admin access
>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
>> yours or system files
>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>> files as admin
>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
>> panel
>>
>>
>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>
>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
>> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you
>> for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As
>> Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>
>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
>> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your
>> system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog
>> pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that
>> you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that
>> the Cancel button was available to you.
>>
>>
>> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>
>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>
>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
>> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
>> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
>> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How
>> many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are
>> still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer?
>> Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>>
>>
>> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>> similar programs?
>>
>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
>> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
>> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown
>> threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from
>> gaining access to your computer.
>>
>>
>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>
>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
>> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
>> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
>> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>
>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
>> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you
>> will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the
>> files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to -
>> such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>>
>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
>> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
>> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP
>> when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>>
>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
>> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
>> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click
>> Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does
>> not, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
>> from using it!
>>
>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS
>> by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your
>> computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do
>> with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
>> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
>> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>
>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
>> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
>> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control
>> and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this
>> go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
>> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by
>> mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
>> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over
>> your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
>> stopped it.
>>
>>
>> - JB
>>
>> Vista Support FAQ
>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>

Chad Harris
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Read Aaron Margulis' Article on "Fixing LUA Bugs"; Ancillary Links
Posted: 07-31-2006, 04:24 PM
I think this is a good bit of supplemental info on UAC as well as Aaron's
blog and will help you make it more usable and understand it better.

What is a "LUA Bug"? (And what isn't a LUA bug?)
http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis...06/525455.aspx

Problems of Privilege: Find and Fix LUA Bugs (From Technet Magazine by Aaron
Margolis)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tec...06/08/LUABugs/

Fixing "LUA bugs", Part I
http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis...16/533077.aspx

Fixing "LUA Bugs", Part II

http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis...27/562091.aspx

Changing access control on folders vs. files
http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis...19/638148.aspx

Anti-virus vs. Non-Admin
http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis...02/614226.aspx

UAC Team Blog--Read posts from the archives--they are screenshot in detail;
Scroll Down; Click on the Archives and previous recent dates.
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/

http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...22/516066.aspx

Also read the comments on this blog from other MSFT teams; they are full of
tips.

Check out the Windows Vista Security Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsvistasecurity/

Security Integrity Team Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/si_team/

Antimalware Team Blog
http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/

UAC Team Beta Vista Chats:

6/22/06
http://windowsconnected.com/forums/70/ShowForum.aspx

9/28/05
http://windowsconnected.com/forums/thread/2846.aspx

and also check out these discussions:

O'Reilly Dev Center: UAC Overview
http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/...ows-vista.html

Technet UAC Overview
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...ty/uacppr.mspx

UAC What's New in Beta 2?
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...21/641713.aspx

UAC Articles Technet
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...urity/uac.mspx

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...ty/uacppr.mspx

UAC Application Webcast
http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...26/647384.aspx

Q&A with UAC Vista PM Chris Corio
http://windowsconnected.com/blogs/jo...01/21/558.aspx

UAC Gone Wild (Not to be confused with Girls Gone Wild who can't decide how
to wear their T-Shirts)
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6089415.html

Jimmy Brush's Article on UAC

http://www.jimmah.com/vista/ Click on Security or
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/category.aspx?id=security


Enjoy.

CH





"Alan Simpson" <flameme@nada.com> wrote in message
news:9583DC30-4B63-4E6D-AA95-9A03DDDDE17D@microsoft.com...
> Here's another little tidbit related to trying to make security best
> practices the default settings for an OS. When XP first shipped it came
> with an Internet Connection Firewall (ICF). But it was turned off by
> default, and nobody knew about it. Millions of computers were infected by
> Blaster and similar worms, only because people didn't have their firewalls
> up. Had MS just turned that firewall on by default, those worms wouldn't
> have spread the way they did and millions of people would have been spared
> much misery.
>
> Lesson learned: Always make security best practices the default settings.
> That's why all security features are turned on by default in Service Pack
> 2. And that's why we have UAC, turned on by default, in Vista. Of course,
> Vista has way more security than that. But the UAC thing is yet another
> reflection of making security best practices the default from the get-go.
>
> "Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
>> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
>> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind
>> it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off,
>> and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about
>> it.
>>
>>
>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>
>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
>> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>
>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
>> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
>> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
>> denied access.
>>
>>
>> * How does UAC work
>>
>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
>> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
>> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
>> get full admin access to the system:
>>
>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
>> click Continue
>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
>> clicking Run As Administrator
>>
>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
>> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
>> from one to the other.
>>
>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
>> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
>> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
>> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
>> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically
>> run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>>
>>
>> * What's the point of UAC?
>>
>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
>> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>>
>> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
>> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
>> without you even knowing about it.
>>
>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
>> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
>> got there or how it is started.
>>
>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
>> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
>> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
>> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
>> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
>> control your system.
>>
>>
>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>
>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to
>> your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that
>> come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
>> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>>
>> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
>> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then,
>> you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were
>> not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>>
>> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
>> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>>
>> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
>> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to
>> work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from
>> another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the
>> same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or
>> files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>>
>> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
>> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful -
>> you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try
>> to change a system-wide setting.
>>
>> In short:
>>
>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>> - Run setup programs as admin
>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
>> admin access
>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
>> yours or system files
>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>> files as admin
>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
>> panel
>>
>>
>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>
>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
>> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you
>> for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As
>> Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>
>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
>> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your
>> system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog
>> pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that
>> you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that
>> the Cancel button was available to you.
>>
>>
>> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>
>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>
>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
>> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
>> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
>> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How
>> many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are
>> still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer?
>> Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>>
>>
>> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>> similar programs?
>>
>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
>> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
>> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown
>> threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from
>> gaining access to your computer.
>>
>>
>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>
>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
>> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
>> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
>> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>
>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
>> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you
>> will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the
>> files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to -
>> such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>>
>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
>> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
>> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP
>> when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>>
>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
>> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
>> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click
>> Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does
>> not, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
>> from using it!
>>
>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS
>> by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your
>> computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do
>> with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
>> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
>> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>
>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
>> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
>> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control
>> and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this
>> go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
>> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by
>> mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
>> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over
>> your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
>> stopped it.
>>
>>
>> - JB
>>
>> Vista Support FAQ
>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>

Alan Simpson
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: Gartner's and other Surveys' Figures on Security--UAC not needed to be secure if you use common sense
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:05 PM
Sorry for playing loose and fast on the value judgments and product
comparisons. Let me rephrase:

"The idea is to bring security best practices to consumers who don't
understand the risks or how to protect themselves."

As a general addendum to all my posts, I'd add "If you have a product that
does what you need, and you like it better than Vista, use that product
instead of Vista".

"Chad Harris" <RemoveHezbullahtotally@clearview.net> wrote in message
news:%23Uu$3uLtGHA.4472@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> I'm plenty confident about my security so I tweak it out of the way if it
> begins to get in the way. BTW
> Gartner's figures still stand: If you have a hdw firewall (NAT in a
> router), decent software firewall and with the MMC advanced snap-in Vista
> sure provides that, and a decent AV program, and you update viral
> definitions (many AV programsdo itseemlessly now--and Norton does it
> "automatically" once every Wednesday in the PM Pacific (lol) or you can
> shortcut to intelligent updater and do it manually every day, and you
> apply
> the slew of hotfixes that will not be changing in Vista on the road to
> Blackcomb/Vienna/Sequel to Vista you have much less than a 1`% chance--a
> very small fraction of it to contract malicious ware. Spyware can be
> easily handled by the most inexperienced user if they use 2-3 scanners. I
> don't find Defender has any dramatic advantage over many others, but it's
> still a work in progress.
>
> Where UAC is helpful is in limiting access to your box for certain
> Trojans, blended threats, or possibly someone who gains access to the
> computer if you lose it.
>
> UAC Team Blog--Read posts from the archives--they are screenshot in
> detail;
> Scroll Down; Click on the Archives and previous recent dates.
> http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...22/516066.aspx
>
> Also read the comments on this blog from other MSFT teams; they are full
> of
> tips.
>
> Check out the Windows Vista Security Blog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsvistasecurity/
>
> Security Integrity Team Blog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/si_team/
>
> Antimalware Team Blog
> http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/
>
> UAC Team Beta Vista Chats:
>
> 6/22/06
> http://windowsconnected.com/forums/70/ShowForum.aspx
>
> 9/28/05
> http://windowsconnected.com/forums/thread/2846.aspx
>
> and also check out these discussions:
>
> O'Reilly Dev Center: UAC Overview
> http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/...ows-vista.html
>
> Technet UAC Overview
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...ty/uacppr.mspx
>
> UAC What's New in Beta 2?
> http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...21/641713.aspx
>
> UAC Articles Technet
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...urity/uac.mspx
>
> UAC Application Webcast
> http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...26/647384.aspx
>
> Q&A with UAC Vista PM Chris Corio
> http://windowsconnected.com/blogs/jo...01/21/558.aspx
>
> UAC Gone Wild (Not to be confused with Girls Gone Wild who can't decide
> how
> to wear their T-Shirts)
> http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6089415.html
>
>
> Enjoy.
>
> CH
>
>
>
>
>
> CH
>
>
> "Alan Simpson" <flameme@nada.com> wrote in message
> news:8EEABE3B-240B-47A8-A02D-7B8CBC340C33@microsoft.com...
>> Well said Jimmy. But just a couple minor additions. Using a computer in a
>> limited account for day-to-day stuff has been a security "best practice"
>> for many years, and totally ignored outside the corporate environment for
>> just as many years. Basically Vista makes that practice security best
>> practice automatic and as painless as possible by letting you temporarily
>> elevate on-the-fly on an as-needed basis.
>>
>> Also, for home users, there's a tie-in to parental controls here. From a
>> password-protected administrative account you can set parental controls
>> on children's standard accounts and monitor their computer and Internet
>> use. The kids can't get to any of that from their standard accounts
>> (without an administrative password). So they can't tamper with any of
>> that.
>>
>>
>> "Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
>>> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
>>> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind
>>> it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC
>>> off, and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints
>>> about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>>
>>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
>>> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>>
>>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
>>> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
>>> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
>>> denied access.
>>>
>>>
>>> * How does UAC work
>>>
>>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
>>> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
>>> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
>>> get full admin access to the system:
>>>
>>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
>>> click Continue
>>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
>>> clicking Run As Administrator
>>>
>>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
>>> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
>>> from one to the other.
>>>
>>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
>>> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
>>> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
>>> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
>>> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically
>>> run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>>>
>>>
>>> * What's the point of UAC?
>>>
>>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
>>> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>>>
>>> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
>>> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
>>> without you even knowing about it.
>>>
>>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
>>> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
>>> got there or how it is started.
>>>
>>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
>>> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
>>> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
>>> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
>>> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
>>> control your system.
>>>
>>>
>>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>>
>>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to
>>> your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that
>>> come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
>>> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>>>
>>> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
>>> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then,
>>> you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were
>>> not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>>>
>>> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
>>> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>>>
>>> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
>>> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to
>>> work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from
>>> another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In
>>> the same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system
>>> files or files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as
>>> administrator".
>>>
>>> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
>>> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful -
>>> you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you
>>> try to change a system-wide setting.
>>>
>>> In short:
>>>
>>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>>> - Run setup programs as admin
>>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they
>>> need admin access
>>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that
>>> aren't yours or system files
>>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>>> files as admin
>>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
>>> panel
>>>
>>>
>>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>>
>>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
>>> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you
>>> for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As
>>> Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>>
>>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
>>> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your
>>> system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog
>>> pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that
>>> you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad
>>> that the Cancel button was available to you.
>>>
>>>
>>> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>>
>>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>>
>>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
>>> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
>>> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer -
>>> you can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough.
>>> How many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are
>>> still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer?
>>> Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>>> similar programs?
>>>
>>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
>>> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
>>> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop
>>> unknown threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust
>>> from gaining access to your computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>>
>>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
>>> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
>>> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
>>> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>>
>>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
>>> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you
>>> will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the
>>> files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to -
>>> such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>>>
>>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
>>> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it
>>> and clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in
>>> XP when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>>>
>>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
>>> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
>>> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click
>>> Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does
>>> not, then this is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
>>> from using it!
>>>
>>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS
>>> by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your
>>> computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do
>>> with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
>>> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
>>> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>>
>>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
>>> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
>>> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control
>>> and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this
>>> go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
>>> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something
>>> by mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
>>> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes
>>> over your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
>>> stopped it.
>>>
>>>
>>> - JB
>>>
>>> Vista Support FAQ
>>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>>
>
>
Don Short
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:06 PM
Q: I'm just a average user, how am I supposed to know what needs to run and
what doesn't?



"Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind it,
> how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off, and
> answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about it.
>
>
> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>
> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>
> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
> denied access.
>
>
> * How does UAC work
>
> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
> get full admin access to the system:
>
> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
> click Continue
> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
> clicking Run As Administrator
>
> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
> from one to the other.
>
> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically run
> WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>
>
> * What's the point of UAC?
>
> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>
> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
> without you even knowing about it.
>
> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
> got there or how it is started.
>
> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
> control your system.
>
>
> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>
> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to your
> computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that come
> with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>
> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then, you
> will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were not
> designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>
> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>
> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to work
> with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from another
> operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the same
> vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or files
> that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>
> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful - you
> will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try to
> change a system-wide setting.
>
> In short:
>
> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
> - Run setup programs as admin
> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
> admin access
> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
> yours or system files
> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system files
> as admin
> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
> panel
>
>
> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>
> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you for
> it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As Administrator
> for them to run correctly).
>
> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your system
> without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog pops up
> and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that you do not
> want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that the Cancel
> button was available to you.
>
>
> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>
> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>
> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How many
> people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are still
> infested with programs that they don't want on their computer? Everyone
> that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>
>
> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or similar
> programs?
>
> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown
> threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from gaining
> access to your computer.
>
>
> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>
> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>
>
> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>
> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you will
> need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the files
> it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to - such as
> your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>
>
> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>
> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP
> when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>
>
> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>
> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click Run
> As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does not,
> then this is a bug.
>
>
> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
> from using it!
>
> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS by
> allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your computer.
> *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do with it
> turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>
>
> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>
> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control and
> allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this go
> right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by
> mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over
> your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
> stopped it.
>
>
> - JB
>
> Vista Support FAQ
> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
Chad Harris
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:20 PM
Read any of the the links I provided for you to spell it out and start with
the Technet and the UAC team screenshots and Jimmy Brush's excellent writeup
on his site.

CH

"Don Short" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A68C1DC7-EEC4-452E-9751-A56EC6737ADB@microsoft.com...
> Q: I'm just a average user, how am I supposed to know what needs to run
> and what doesn't?
>
>
>
> "Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
>> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
>> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind
>> it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off,
>> and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about
>> it.
>>
>>
>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>
>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
>> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>
>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
>> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
>> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
>> denied access.
>>
>>
>> * How does UAC work
>>
>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
>> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
>> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
>> get full admin access to the system:
>>
>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
>> click Continue
>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
>> clicking Run As Administrator
>>
>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
>> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
>> from one to the other.
>>
>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
>> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
>> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
>> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
>> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically
>> run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>>
>>
>> * What's the point of UAC?
>>
>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
>> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>>
>> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
>> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
>> without you even knowing about it.
>>
>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
>> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
>> got there or how it is started.
>>
>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
>> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
>> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
>> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
>> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
>> control your system.
>>
>>
>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>
>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to
>> your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that
>> come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
>> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>>
>> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
>> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then,
>> you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were
>> not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>>
>> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
>> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>>
>> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
>> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to
>> work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from
>> another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the
>> same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or
>> files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>>
>> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
>> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful -
>> you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try
>> to change a system-wide setting.
>>
>> In short:
>>
>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>> - Run setup programs as admin
>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
>> admin access
>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
>> yours or system files
>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>> files as admin
>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
>> panel
>>
>>
>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>
>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
>> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you
>> for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As
>> Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>
>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
>> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your
>> system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog
>> pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that
>> you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that
>> the Cancel button was available to you.
>>
>>
>> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>
>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>
>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
>> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
>> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
>> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How
>> many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are
>> still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer?
>> Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>>
>>
>> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>> similar programs?
>>
>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
>> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
>> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown
>> threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from
>> gaining access to your computer.
>>
>>
>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>
>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
>> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
>> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
>> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>
>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
>> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you
>> will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the
>> files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to -
>> such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>>
>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
>> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
>> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP
>> when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>>
>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
>> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
>> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click
>> Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does
>> not, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
>> from using it!
>>
>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS
>> by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your
>> computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do
>> with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
>> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
>> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>
>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
>> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
>> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control
>> and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this
>> go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
>> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by
>> mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
>> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over
>> your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
>> stopped it.
>>
>>
>> - JB
>>
>> Vista Support FAQ
>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>

 
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