Colin Barnhorst
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Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:21 PM
If you know you just did something (like click on an installer) then the
prompt is understandable. If a prompt just appears for no apparent reason
investigate what is trying to run. If the name of the program doesn't make
sense to you, Google it to see what it is or simply click Cancel.

"Don Short" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A68C1DC7-EEC4-452E-9751-A56EC6737ADB@microsoft.com...
> Q: I'm just a average user, how am I supposed to know what needs to run
> and what doesn't?
>
>
>
> "Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
>> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
>> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind
>> it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC off,
>> and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints about
>> it.
>>
>>
>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>
>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
>> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>
>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
>> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
>> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
>> denied access.
>>
>>
>> * How does UAC work
>>
>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
>> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
>> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
>> get full admin access to the system:
>>
>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
>> click Continue
>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
>> clicking Run As Administrator
>>
>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
>> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
>> from one to the other.
>>
>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
>> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
>> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
>> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
>> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically
>> run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>>
>>
>> * What's the point of UAC?
>>
>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
>> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>>
>> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
>> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
>> without you even knowing about it.
>>
>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
>> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
>> got there or how it is started.
>>
>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
>> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
>> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
>> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
>> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
>> control your system.
>>
>>
>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>
>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to
>> your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that
>> come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
>> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>>
>> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
>> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then,
>> you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were
>> not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>>
>> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
>> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>>
>> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
>> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to
>> work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from
>> another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In the
>> same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system files or
>> files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as administrator".
>>
>> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
>> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful -
>> you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you try
>> to change a system-wide setting.
>>
>> In short:
>>
>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>> - Run setup programs as admin
>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they need
>> admin access
>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that aren't
>> yours or system files
>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>> files as admin
>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
>> panel
>>
>>
>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>
>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
>> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you
>> for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As
>> Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>
>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
>> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your
>> system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog
>> pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that
>> you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad that
>> the Cancel button was available to you.
>>
>>
>> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>
>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>
>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
>> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
>> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer - you
>> can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough. How
>> many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are
>> still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer?
>> Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>>
>>
>> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>> similar programs?
>>
>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
>> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
>> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop unknown
>> threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust from
>> gaining access to your computer.
>>
>>
>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>
>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
>> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
>> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
>> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>
>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
>> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you
>> will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the
>> files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to -
>> such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>>
>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
>> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it and
>> clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in XP
>> when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>>
>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
>> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
>> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click
>> Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does
>> not, then this is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
>> from using it!
>>
>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS
>> by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your
>> computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do
>> with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>>
>>
>> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
>> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
>> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>
>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
>> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
>> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control
>> and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this
>> go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
>> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something by
>> mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
>> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes over
>> your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
>> stopped it.
>>
>>
>> - JB
>>
>> Vista Support FAQ
>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>

Jimmy Brush
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Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:21 PM
Pretty simple:

If you were doing something that involves changing files and settings on
your computer or having full access to your computer and you get a prompt,
click Allow. Examples: Changing system settings in the control panel and
changing what programs start when your computer starts.

If you are trying to run a program that isn't working quite right that needs
access to your computer, but it doesn't ask you for permission, and you
trust it to have full access to your computer, right-click it and click run
as administrator.

If you are NOT doing administrative tasks (for example, you are browsing the
internet, reading e-mail, or writing a document) and a screen pops up asking
you for permission, CLICK CANCEL. You KNOW you weren't doing anything
special - and that you weren't starting a program - so don't give anything
permission to run.

You just have to be aware of what's going on - if you know you are working
with your computer, you should expect the prompts. Most of them should say
"Microsoft Windows" as the publisher - this means that the application was
made by microsoft.

If you see a prompt with an orange or red bar at the top, and Windows tells
you that the application publisher can't be verified, CLICK CANCEL unless
you are *absolutely sure* you know what that program is.

- JB

Vista Support FAQ
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

Chad Harris
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Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:31 PM
On numerous occassions Mr. JB, I have been told (not by UAC perhaps but by
IE7) that the page is not a trusted site.

The following pages can regularly evoke this message:

The MSFT Technet Vista Team Blog

Connect
www.connect.com

I'm left with the fact that IE made by MSFT does not trust web pages made by
MSFT. Welcome to Vista.
It's a big company--no wonder there is fear of back stabbing that's worked
its ways into error messages. Adding them to trusted sites does not impact
this and trusted sites always curiously demand you to change the url to
https:// with an "s" added that is not in the url. What's up with that?

CH

"Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5B7564B0-7292-4720-8437-2D0659CBFB76@microsoft.com...
> Pretty simple:
>
> If you were doing something that involves changing files and settings on
> your computer or having full access to your computer and you get a prompt,
> click Allow. Examples: Changing system settings in the control panel and
> changing what programs start when your computer starts.
>
> If you are trying to run a program that isn't working quite right that
> needs access to your computer, but it doesn't ask you for permission, and
> you trust it to have full access to your computer, right-click it and
> click run as administrator.
>
> If you are NOT doing administrative tasks (for example, you are browsing
> the internet, reading e-mail, or writing a document) and a screen pops up
> asking you for permission, CLICK CANCEL. You KNOW you weren't doing
> anything special - and that you weren't starting a program - so don't give
> anything permission to run.
>
> You just have to be aware of what's going on - if you know you are working
> with your computer, you should expect the prompts. Most of them should say
> "Microsoft Windows" as the publisher - this means that the application was
> made by microsoft.
>
> If you see a prompt with an orange or red bar at the top, and Windows
> tells you that the application publisher can't be verified, CLICK CANCEL
> unless you are *absolutely sure* you know what that program is.
>
> - JB
>
> Vista Support FAQ
> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

Jimmy Brush
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Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:41 PM
There was an issue with the connect.microsoft.com security certificate a
little while ago where MS forgot to renew their certificate (or some such).
It messed up a lot of things. Is that what you are talking about?

If not, post a screenshot of what you are talking about the next time it
happens and we will try to to figure out what its thinking.

- JB

Vista Support FAQ
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

Chad Harris
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Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:50 PM
It happens in Vista on several MSFT sites currently besides Connect, and
I'll be glad to post screenshots of the urls and the message when I run into
them soon.

There also was a ridiculous glitch that kept many people from accessing the
FTP server for a good while that required an IE tool tweak.

CH

"Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1E37D6AA-D3DC-426D-A065-1F78E550052F@microsoft.com...
> There was an issue with the connect.microsoft.com security certificate a
> little while ago where MS forgot to renew their certificate (or some
> such). It messed up a lot of things. Is that what you are talking about?
>
> If not, post a screenshot of what you are talking about the next time it
> happens and we will try to to figure out what its thinking.
>
> - JB
>
> Vista Support FAQ
> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

Kerry Brown
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Re: UAC Deployment is far from painless at the moment and is big prob for MSFT
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:52 PM
UAC as it is currently deployed does have it's problems but hopefully most
of those will be solved before the RTM. I think the biggest obstacle is that
everyone has to get their head around the fact that there is no need to run
with administrator level access all the time. How many Linux users run as
root all the time? Only the idiots who manage to cause havoc with whatever
OS they run. Standard users in lInux can't move system files, create folders
in system folders etc. If you need to do that you use su (Run as
administrator) or logon as root (safe boot to administrator). Microsoft has
encouraged sloppy programming and sloppy security for so long that it will
be years before there is any consensus that we don't need to run as
administrator. There should be two administrator accounts with strong
passwords. One for using "Run as administrator" or booting to safe mode to
repair something. And one in case the first one gets corrupted. Every thing
else can be done as a standard user. If Microsoft set this as the default on
install it would cause much pain but it would also cause many people to
complain about programs that have no clue about security because they
wouldn't run. This would actually speed up the changeover to the better
security model.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
www.VistaHelp.ca


Chad Harris wrote:
> Alan--
>
> I respectfully disagree that they make deployment of UAC "as painless
> as possible." I'm not the lone ranger here. Even the uber tin ears
> at Redmond on the UAC team have a sense that thousands of people are
> pissed off over the deployment of UAC, many who use Linux or
> adminstrate Linux servers saying that Linux manages to have the
> security MSFT is aiming for without the deployment horrors.
>
> Putting a box in someone's face ever time they touch the keyboard or
> mouse is not "as painless as possible" and that''s pretty much what
> it's been doing.
>
> I'm plenty confident about my security so I tweak it out of the way. BTW
> Gartner's figures still stand: If you have a hdw firewall (NAT
> in a router), decent software firewall and with the MMC advanced
> snap-in Vista sure provides that, and a decent AV program, and you
> update viral definitions (many AV programsdo itseemlessly now--and
> Norton does it "automatically" once every Wednesday in the PM Pacific
> (lol) or you can shortcut to intelligent updater and do it manually
> every day, and you apply the slew of hotfixes that will not be
> changing in Vista on the road to Blackcomb/Vienna/Sequel to Vista
>
>
> I would wait to draft the UAC chapter in your Vista book Allen and I
> have some useful links on my post "this will help." If UAC is
> deployed in its current state-- or close because what I know of the
> RC1 changes won't be all that different but will be better, then a
> lot of us worry (and I think with a basis from what I see on forums)
>
> 1) web sites will spring up like Topsy that will help people turn it
> off because people get exasperated when they can't get things done. Not
> all installs for example have a .exe that can be right clicked to
> run as admin and people have trouble installing--the general
> population is going to be similar to the same population that used XP
> although I know MSFT envisions many first time users of Windows and
> 400,000,000 OEM 300 name partners Vista desktops installed that will
> be screwed out of reaching Win RE without a DVD that does it (not
> talking about corporate custom installs with that option either that
> the softy PMs have been invoking--'cause little Suzie and Johnnie
> desktop ain't no enterprise).
> 2) People will ignore the similar looking UAC boxes that spring up
> every time someone wants to transfer a file or folder from their
> Vista boot to the XP boot (you don't get it if you're reversing that
> procedure) and will automatically click them--sometimes with downside
> consequences.
> A few changes in RC1 for UAC will be:
>
> When connecting to a network, you should see
> a.. No UAC elevation when connecting to a wireless connection
> Deleting a shortcut from the desktop will no longer require elevation
> for administrators
> a.. Task Manager launches right away and allows the user to elevate
> later
> b.. Copying or moving multiple files to protected folders should
> require only one prompt to gain access
>
> c.. The Find New Hardware experience has been changed to remove the
> UAC prompt until the user is ready to install the device
>
> d.. "Set Focus" work has been done so that UAC prompts from
> applications running in the background do not interrupt users'
> workflow. The users will instead see a blinking item in the taskbar
> in these situations
> e.. The OS has been scrubbed for UAC prompts, the net benefit being
> that the number of UAC prompts is now reduced
>
> f.. A much-requested feature from our IT community: Elevated command
> prompts are distinguished by prefixing "Administrator:" to the title
>
> g.. We've added a new ActiveX Installer Service so that
> administrators can give Standard Users permissions to install
> controls from trusted sites
> h.. All UAC prompts have been scrubbed so as to be more consistent
> and informative, and also to provide users with improved context for
> deciding whether to permit/deny the prompt
>
> UAC Team Blog--Read posts from the archives--they are screenshot in
> detail; Scroll Down; Click on the Archives and previous recent dates.
> http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...22/516066.aspx
>
> Also read the comments on this blog from other MSFT teams; they are
> full of tips.
>
> Check out the Windows Vista Security Blog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsvistasecurity/
>
> Security Integrity Team Blog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/si_team/
>
> Antimalware Team Blog
> http://blogs.technet.com/antimalware/
>
> UAC Team Beta Vista Chats:
>
> 6/22/06
> http://windowsconnected.com/forums/70/ShowForum.aspx
>
> 9/28/05
> http://windowsconnected.com/forums/thread/2846.aspx
>
> and also check out these discussions:
>
> O'Reilly Dev Center: UAC Overview
> http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/...ows-vista.html
>
> Technet UAC Overview
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...ty/uacppr.mspx
>
> UAC What's New in Beta 2?
> http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...21/641713.aspx
>
> UAC Articles Technet
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win...urity/uac.mspx
>
> UAC Application Webcast
> http://blogs.msdn.com/uac/archive/20...26/647384.aspx
>
> Q&A with UAC Vista PM Chris Corio
> http://windowsconnected.com/blogs/jo...01/21/558.aspx
>
> UAC Gone Wild (Not to be confused with Girls Gone Wild who can't
> decide how to wear their T-Shirts)
> http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-10877-6089415.html
>
>
> Enjoy.
>
> CH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Alan Simpson" <flameme@nada.com> wrote in message
> news:8EEABE3B-240B-47A8-A02D-7B8CBC340C33@microsoft.com...
>> Well said Jimmy. But just a couple minor additions. Using a computer
>> in a limited account for day-to-day stuff has been a security "best
>> practice" for many years, and totally ignored outside the corporate
>> environment for just as many years. Basically Vista makes that
>> practice security best practice automatic and as painless as
>> possible by letting you temporarily elevate on-the-fly on an
>> as-needed basis. Also, for home users, there's a tie-in to parental
>> controls here.
>> From a password-protected administrative account you can set
>> parental controls on children's standard accounts and monitor their
>> computer and Internet use. The kids can't get to any of that from
>> their standard accounts (without an administrative password). So
>> they can't tamper with any of that. "Jimmy Brush"
>> <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are
>>> either directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account
>>> Control). In this post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works,
>>> the reasoning behind it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why
>>> you shouldn't turn UAC off, and answer some common questions and
>>> respond to common complaints about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>>
>>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation
>>> that (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>>
>>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly
>>> give permission to any program that wants to use "administrator"
>>> powers. Any program that tries to use admin powers without your
>>> permission will be denied access.
>>>
>>>
>>> * How does UAC work
>>>
>>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given
>>> only "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged
>>> in as an administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be
>>> "elevated" to get full admin access to the system:
>>>
>>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up,
>>> and you click Continue
>>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it,
>>> then clicking Run As Administrator
>>>
>>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give
>>> permission, ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running
>>> it cannot change from one to the other.
>>>
>>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin
>>> powers without needing your permission. For example, if you start
>>> Windows Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text
>>> file, notepad will open and display the contents of the text file.
>>> Since notepad was opened from the admin explorer window, notepad
>>> WILL ALSO automatically run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for
>>> permission. * What's the point of UAC?
>>>
>>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your
>>> hands, instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your
>>> computer. When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program
>>> that
>>> could somehow get itself started could take control of the entire
>>> computer without you even knowing about it.
>>>
>>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in
>>> order for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how
>>> the program got there or how it is started.
>>>
>>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to
>>> enterprise administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to
>>> use admin powers and being able to unilaterally disallow a program
>>> from having such power is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the
>>> security of the system tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and
>>> hoping for the best" - YOU now control your system.
>>>
>>>
>>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>>
>>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access
>>> to your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft
>>> programs that come with Windows Vista that need admin access will
>>> always ask for admin permissions when you start them. However, most
>>> other programs will not. This will change after Windows Vista is
>>> released - all Windows
>>> Vista-era programs that need admin power will always ask you for
>>> it. Until then, you will need to run programs that need
>>> administrative powers that were not designed for Windows Vista "as
>>> administrator". Command-line programs do not automatically ask for
>>> permission. Not
>>> even the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line
>>> utilities. Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a
>>> real
>>> pain when you are not working with your own files. When you are
>>> needing to work with system files, files that you didn't create, or
>>> files from another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as
>>> administrator". In the same vein, ANY program that you run that
>>> needs access to system files or files that you didn't create will
>>> need to be ran "as administrator". If you are going to be working with
>>> the control panel for a long
>>> time, running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less
>>> painful - you will only be asked for permission once, instead of
>>> every time you try to change a system-wide setting.
>>>
>>> In short:
>>>
>>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>>> - Run setup programs as admin
>>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if)
>>> they need admin access
>>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that
>>> aren't yours or system files
>>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>>> files as admin
>>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the
>>> control panel
>>>
>>>
>>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>>
>>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very
>>> frustrating to run a program that needs admin power but doesn't
>>> automatically ask you for it (you have to right-click these
>>> programs and click Run As Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>>
>>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant
>>> when weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to
>>> your system without you being informed. The first time the
>>> permission dialog pops up and it is from some program that you know
>>> nothing about or that you do not want to have access to your
>>> system, you will be very glad that the Cancel button was available
>>> to you. * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>>
>>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>>
>>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known
>>> threats in existence, they only detect the most common of those
>>> threats. With UAC turned on, *you* control what programs have
>>> access to your computer - you can stop ALL threats. Detectors are
>>> nice, but they're not enough. How many people do you know that have
>>> detectors of all kinds and yet are still infested with programs
>>> that they don't want on their computer? Everyone that I have ever
>>> helped falls into this category. Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a
>>> firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>>> similar programs?
>>>
>>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or
>>> other types of security software. These types of programs
>>> compliment UAC: They will get rid of known threats for you. UAC
>>> will allow you to stop unknown threats, as well as prevent any
>>> program that you do not trust from gaining access to your computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>>
>>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer
>>> runs with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you
>>> really could care less when a program runs that has full control of
>>> your system, and possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>>
>>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge.
>>> If you want a program to have full access to the files on your
>>> computer, you will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative,
>>> if possible, put the files it needs access to in a place that all
>>> programs have access to - such as your documents folder, or any
>>> folder under your user folder. Q: UAC stops programs from working
>>> correctly
>>>
>>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for
>>> permission when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by
>>> right-clicking it and clicking Run As Administrator. Programs
>>> should work like they did in XP when you use Run As Administrator.
>>> If they don't, then this is a bug. Q: UAC keeps me from doing things
>>> that I could do in XP
>>>
>>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not
>>> ask for permission when they start do not get admin access to your
>>> computer. If you are using a tool that needs admin access,
>>> right-click it and click Run As Administrator. It should work
>>> exactly as it did in XP. If it does not, then this is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing
>>> me from using it!
>>>
>>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR
>>> HANDS by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing
>>> your computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off,
>>> you can do with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is
>>> a bug. Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what
>>> I've got on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am
>>> logged on as an ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>>
>>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I
>>> don't agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by
>>> letting you CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give
>>> up this control and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if
>>> you want to do this go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things
>>> will return to how they worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when
>>> either 1) You run something by mistake that messes up your computer
>>> and/or domain, or 2) A program somehow gets on your computer that
>>> you know nothing about that takes over your computer and/or domain,
>>> and UAC would have allowed you to have stopped it.
>>>
>>>
>>> - JB
>>>
>>> Vista Support FAQ
>>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

Jimmy Brush
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 05:56 PM

"Chad Harris" <RemoveHezbullahtotally@clearview.net> wrote in message
news:uIa8cnMtGHA.1632@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> It happens in Vista on several MSFT sites currently besides Connect, and
> I'll be glad to post screenshots of the urls and the message when I run
> into them soon.
Ok.
> There also was a ridiculous glitch that kept many people from accessing
> the FTP server for a good while that required an IE tool tweak.
Yeah, that's still there, at least on my computer.

- JB

Vista Support FAQ
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

Jimmy Brush
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 06:08 PM
This particular error appears to be displayed by the website and not the
browser itself.

- JB

Vista Support FAQ
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

Don Short
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 06:31 PM
and just how many millions of average windows users do you think have the
time to do that?

"Chad Harris" <RemoveHezbullahtotally@clearview.net> wrote in message
news:OsvTRWMtGHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Read any of the the links I provided for you to spell it out and start
> with the Technet and the UAC team screenshots and Jimmy Brush's excellent
> writeup on his site.
>
> CH
>
> "Don Short" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A68C1DC7-EEC4-452E-9751-A56EC6737ADB@microsoft.com...
>> Q: I'm just a average user, how am I supposed to know what needs to run
>> and what doesn't?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
>>> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
>>> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind
>>> it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC
>>> off, and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints
>>> about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>>
>>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
>>> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>>
>>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
>>> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
>>> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
>>> denied access.
>>>
>>>
>>> * How does UAC work
>>>
>>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
>>> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
>>> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
>>> get full admin access to the system:
>>>
>>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
>>> click Continue
>>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
>>> clicking Run As Administrator
>>>
>>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
>>> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
>>> from one to the other.
>>>
>>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
>>> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
>>> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
>>> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
>>> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically
>>> run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>>>
>>>
>>> * What's the point of UAC?
>>>
>>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
>>> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>>>
>>> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
>>> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
>>> without you even knowing about it.
>>>
>>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
>>> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
>>> got there or how it is started.
>>>
>>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
>>> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
>>> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
>>> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
>>> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
>>> control your system.
>>>
>>>
>>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>>
>>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to
>>> your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that
>>> come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
>>> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>>>
>>> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
>>> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then,
>>> you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were
>>> not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>>>
>>> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
>>> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>>>
>>> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
>>> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to
>>> work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from
>>> another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In
>>> the same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system
>>> files or files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as
>>> administrator".
>>>
>>> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
>>> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful -
>>> you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you
>>> try to change a system-wide setting.
>>>
>>> In short:
>>>
>>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>>> - Run setup programs as admin
>>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they
>>> need admin access
>>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that
>>> aren't yours or system files
>>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>>> files as admin
>>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
>>> panel
>>>
>>>
>>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>>
>>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
>>> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you
>>> for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As
>>> Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>>
>>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
>>> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your
>>> system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog
>>> pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that
>>> you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad
>>> that the Cancel button was available to you.
>>>
>>>
>>> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>>
>>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>>
>>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
>>> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
>>> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer -
>>> you can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough.
>>> How many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are
>>> still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer?
>>> Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>>> similar programs?
>>>
>>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
>>> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
>>> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop
>>> unknown threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust
>>> from gaining access to your computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>>
>>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
>>> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
>>> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
>>> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>>
>>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
>>> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you
>>> will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the
>>> files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to -
>>> such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>>>
>>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
>>> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it
>>> and clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in
>>> XP when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>>>
>>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
>>> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
>>> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click
>>> Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does
>>> not, then this is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
>>> from using it!
>>>
>>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS
>>> by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your
>>> computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do
>>> with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
>>> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
>>> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>>
>>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
>>> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
>>> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control
>>> and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this
>>> go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
>>> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something
>>> by mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
>>> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes
>>> over your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
>>> stopped it.
>>>
>>>
>>> - JB
>>>
>>> Vista Support FAQ
>>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>>
>
>
Don Short
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: "What's the deal with UAC (Windows Needs Your Permission screens)" and "...But I thought I was an administrator"
Posted: 07-31-2006, 06:36 PM
on many of the UAC prompts I've seen there is no reference to a program.
Furthermore, if I click on an installer I really do want it to install.. not
be questioned again whether I wanted to run it.

I know... it would be really safe if MS just asked more times... just to be
sure.. OR maybe just make it so that you can't run anything, would be real
safe then.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OTlE%23WMtGHA.1596@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> If you know you just did something (like click on an installer) then the
> prompt is understandable. If a prompt just appears for no apparent reason
> investigate what is trying to run. If the name of the program doesn't
> make sense to you, Google it to see what it is or simply click Cancel.
>
> "Don Short" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A68C1DC7-EEC4-452E-9751-A56EC6737ADB@microsoft.com...
>> Q: I'm just a average user, how am I supposed to know what needs to run
>> and what doesn't?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jimmy Brush" <JimmyBrush@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:3DD0CEBA-1550-486F-9361-9A0F826897A0@microsoft.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've noticed that a lot of the questions in these newsgroups are either
>>> directly or indirectly related to UAC (User Account Control). In this
>>> post, I will go over what UAC does, how it works, the reasoning behind
>>> it, how to use your computer with UAC on, why you shouldn't turn UAC
>>> off, and answer some common questions and respond to common complaints
>>> about it.
>>>
>>>
>>> * What is UAC and what does it do?
>>>
>>> UAC mode (also known as Admin Approval Mode) is a mode of operation that
>>> (primarily) affects the way administrator accounts work.
>>>
>>> When UAC is turned on (which it is by default), you must explicitly give
>>> permission to any program that wants to use "administrator" powers. Any
>>> program that tries to use admin powers without your permission will be
>>> denied access.
>>>
>>>
>>> * How does UAC work
>>>
>>> When UAC mode is enabled, every program that you run will be given only
>>> "standard user" access to the system, even when you are logged in as an
>>> administrator. There are only 2 ways that a program can be "elevated" to
>>> get full admin access to the system:
>>>
>>> - If it automatically asks you for permission when it starts up, and you
>>> click Continue
>>> - If you start the program with permission by right-clicking it, then
>>> clicking Run As Administrator
>>>
>>> A program either starts with STANDARD rights or, if you give permission,
>>> ADMINISTRATOR rights, and once the program is running it cannot change
>>> from one to the other.
>>>
>>> If a program that you have already started with admin powers starts
>>> another program, that program will automatically be given admin powers
>>> without needing your permission. For example, if you start Windows
>>> Explorer as administrator, and then double-click on a text file, notepad
>>> will open and display the contents of the text file. Since notepad was
>>> opened from the admin explorer window, notepad WILL ALSO automatically
>>> run WITH admin powers, and will not ask for permission.
>>>
>>>
>>> * What's the point of UAC?
>>>
>>> UAC is designed to put control of your computer back into your hands,
>>> instead of at the mercy of the programs running on your computer.
>>>
>>> When logged in as an administrator in Windows XP, any program that could
>>> somehow get itself started could take control of the entire computer
>>> without you even knowing about it.
>>>
>>> With UAC turned on, you must know about and authorize a program in order
>>> for it to gain admin access to the system, REGARDLESS of how the program
>>> got there or how it is started.
>>>
>>> This is important to all levels of users - from home users to enterprise
>>> administrators. Being alerted when any program tries to use admin powers
>>> and being able to unilaterally disallow a program from having such power
>>> is a VERY powerful ability. No longer is the security of the system
>>> tantamount to "crossing one's fingers and hoping for the best" - YOU now
>>> control your system.
>>>
>>>
>>> * How do I effectively use my computer with UAC turned on?
>>>
>>> It's easy. Just keep in mind that programs don't have admin access to
>>> your computer unless you give them permission. Microsoft programs that
>>> come with Windows Vista that need admin access will always ask for admin
>>> permissions when you start them. However, most other programs will not.
>>>
>>> This will change after Windows Vista is released - all Windows Vista-era
>>> programs that need admin power will always ask you for it. Until then,
>>> you will need to run programs that need administrative powers that were
>>> not designed for Windows Vista "as administrator".
>>>
>>> Command-line programs do not automatically ask for permission. Not even
>>> the built-in ones. You will need to run the command prompt "as
>>> administrator" in order to run administrative command-line utilities.
>>>
>>> Working with files and folders from Windows Explorer can be a real pain
>>> when you are not working with your own files. When you are needing to
>>> work with system files, files that you didn't create, or files from
>>> another operating system, run Windows Explorer "as administrator". In
>>> the same vein, ANY program that you run that needs access to system
>>> files or files that you didn't create will need to be ran "as
>>> administrator".
>>>
>>> If you are going to be working with the control panel for a long time,
>>> running control.exe "as administrator" will make things less painful -
>>> you will only be asked for permission once, instead of every time you
>>> try to change a system-wide setting.
>>>
>>> In short:
>>>
>>> - Run command prompt as admin when you need to run admin utilities
>>> - Run setup programs as admin
>>> - Run programs not designed for Vista as admin if (and only if) they
>>> need admin access
>>> - Run Windows Explorer as admin when you need access to files that
>>> aren't yours or system files
>>> - Run programs that need access to files that aren't yours or system
>>> files as admin
>>> - Run control.exe as admin when changing many settings in the control
>>> panel
>>>
>>>
>>> * UAC is annoying, I want to turn it off
>>>
>>> Having to go through an extra step (clicking Continue) when opening
>>> administrative programs is annoying. And it is also very frustrating to
>>> run a program that needs admin power but doesn't automatically ask you
>>> for it (you have to right-click these programs and click Run As
>>> Administrator for them to run correctly).
>>>
>>> But, keep in mind that these small inconveniences are insignificant when
>>> weighed against the benefit: NO PROGRAM can get full access to your
>>> system without you being informed. The first time the permission dialog
>>> pops up and it is from some program that you know nothing about or that
>>> you do not want to have access to your system, you will be very glad
>>> that the Cancel button was available to you.
>>>
>>>
>>> * Answers to common questions and responses to common criticism
>>>
>>> Q: I have anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or something
>>> similar. Why do I need UAC?
>>>
>>> A: Detectors can only see known threats. And of all the known threats in
>>> existence, they only detect the most common of those threats. With UAC
>>> turned on, *you* control what programs have access to your computer -
>>> you can stop ALL threats. Detectors are nice, but they're not enough.
>>> How many people do you know that have detectors of all kinds and yet are
>>> still infested with programs that they don't want on their computer?
>>> Everyone that I have ever helped falls into this category.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: Does UAC replace anti-virus, a firewall, a spyware-detector, or
>>> similar programs?
>>>
>>> A: No. Microsoft recommends that you use a virus scanner and/or other
>>> types of security software. These types of programs compliment UAC: They
>>> will get rid of known threats for you. UAC will allow you to stop
>>> unknown threats, as well as prevent any program that you do not trust
>>> from gaining access to your computer.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: I am a system administrator - I have no use for UAC.
>>>
>>> A: Really? You don't NEED to know when a program on your computer runs
>>> with admin powers? You are a system administrator and you really could
>>> care less when a program runs that has full control of your system, and
>>> possibly your entire domain? You're joking, right?
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC keeps me from accessing files and folders
>>>
>>> A: No, it doesn't - UAC protects you from programs that would try to
>>> delete or modify system files and folders without your knowledge. If you
>>> want a program to have full access to the files on your computer, you
>>> will need to run it as admin. Or as an alternative, if possible, put the
>>> files it needs access to in a place that all programs have access to -
>>> such as your documents folder, or any folder under your user folder.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC stops programs from working correctly
>>>
>>> A: If a program needs admin power and it doesn't ask you for permission
>>> when it starts, you have to give it admin powers by right-clicking it
>>> and clicking Run As Administrator. Programs should work like they did in
>>> XP when you use Run As Administrator. If they don't, then this is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC keeps me from doing things that I could do in XP
>>>
>>> A: This is not the case. Just remember that programs that do not ask for
>>> permission when they start do not get admin access to your computer. If
>>> you are using a tool that needs admin access, right-click it and click
>>> Run As Administrator. It should work exactly as it did in XP. If it does
>>> not, then this is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: UAC is Microsoft's way of controlling my computer and preventing me
>>> from using it!
>>>
>>> A: This is 100% UNTRUE. UAC puts control of your computer IN YOUR HANDS
>>> by allowing you to prevent unwanted programs from accessing your
>>> computer. *Everything* that you can do with UAC turned off, you can do
>>> with it turned on. If this is not the case, then that is a bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> Q: I don't need Windows to hold my freaking hand! I *know* what I've got
>>> on my computer, and I *know* when programs run! I am logged on as an
>>> ADMINISTRATOR for a dang reason!
>>>
>>> A: I accept the way that you think, and can see the logic, but I don't
>>> agree with this idea. UAC is putting POWER in your hands by letting you
>>> CONTROL what runs on your system. But you want to give up this control
>>> and allow all programs to run willy-nilly. Look, if you want to do this
>>> go right ahead, you can turn UAC off and things will return to how they
>>> worked in XP. But, don't be surprised when either 1) You run something
>>> by mistake that messes up your computer and/or domain, or 2) A program
>>> somehow gets on your computer that you know nothing about that takes
>>> over your computer and/or domain, and UAC would have allowed you to have
>>> stopped it.
>>>
>>>
>>> - JB
>>>
>>> Vista Support FAQ
>>> http://www.jimmah.com/vista/
>>
>
>
 
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