Antivirus Solutions

> Isn't it funny as how the "major" players in the home security field
> (Symantec and McAfee) are bitc*ing and moaning about how Microsoft should
> get out of the security field and leave security to the "people who know"
> and have been doing it so well ( ???? ) for the last few years.
>
> Yet, these big players have not, as of yet, released any program suites
> ( or even a basic antivirus program) that work with Vista RC1!
>
> This is one of the reasons I have abandoned the big guys in favor of the
> smaller players. They are more nimble and responsive to the changing
> operating system as it approaches RTM status.
>
> I will "never" again install anything from either of these two
> manufacturers on my computers, or those I build for my customers.
>
> These two companies were the elite in the mid to late 90's. They have
> taken a big slide downhill and their attitude sucks!
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
>
>

> I'm running the Beta Refresh III of McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 8.5i - the
> RTM version is released in October, a full month before Vista is released
> to businesses
>
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O2$ELRW3GHA.1464@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Isn't it funny as how the "major" players in the home security field
>> (Symantec and McAfee) are bitc*ing and moaning about how Microsoft should
>> get out of the security field and leave security to the "people who know"
>> and have been doing it so well ( ???? ) for the last few years.
>>
>> Yet, these big players have not, as of yet, released any program suites
>> ( or even a basic antivirus program) that work with Vista RC1!
>>
>> This is one of the reasons I have abandoned the big guys in favor of the
>> smaller players. They are more nimble and responsive to the changing
>> operating system as it approaches RTM status.
>>
>> I will "never" again install anything from either of these two
>> manufacturers on my computers, or those I build for my customers.
>>
>> These two companies were the elite in the mid to late 90's. They have
>> taken a big slide downhill and their attitude sucks!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>>
>>

>

> Isn't it funny as how the "major" players in the home security field
> (Symantec and McAfee) are bitc*ing and moaning about how Microsoft should
> get out of the security field and leave security to the "people who know"
> and have been doing it so well ( ???? ) for the last few years.
>
> Yet, these big players have not, as of yet, released any program suites
> ( or even a basic antivirus program) that work with Vista RC1!
>
> This is one of the reasons I have abandoned the big guys in favor of the
> smaller players. They are more nimble and responsive to the changing
> operating system as it approaches RTM status.
>
> I will "never" again install anything from either of these two
> manufacturers on my computers, or those I build for my customers.
>
> These two companies were the elite in the mid to late 90's. They have
> taken a big slide downhill and their attitude sucks!
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
>
>

> Well said - I agree
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O2$ELRW3GHA.1464@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Isn't it funny as how the "major" players in the home security field
>> (Symantec and McAfee) are bitc*ing and moaning about how Microsoft should
>> get out of the security field and leave security to the "people who know"
>> and have been doing it so well ( ???? ) for the last few years.
>>
>> Yet, these big players have not, as of yet, released any program suites
>> ( or even a basic antivirus program) that work with Vista RC1!
>>
>> This is one of the reasons I have abandoned the big guys in favor of the
>> smaller players. They are more nimble and responsive to the changing
>> operating system as it approaches RTM status.
>>
>> I will "never" again install anything from either of these two
>> manufacturers on my computers, or those I build for my customers.
>>
>> These two companies were the elite in the mid to late 90's. They have
>> taken a big slide downhill and their attitude sucks!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>>
>>

>

> (Symantec and McAfee) are bitc*ing and moaning about how Microsoft should
> get out of the security field and leave security to the "people who know"
> and have been doing it so well ( ???? ) for the last few years.
>
> Yet, these big players have not, as of yet, released any program suites
> ( or even a basic antivirus program) that work with Vista RC1!
>
> This is one of the reasons I have abandoned the big guys in favor of the
> smaller players. They are more nimble and responsive to the changing
> operating system as it approaches RTM status.
>
> I will "never" again install anything from either of these two
> manufacturers on my computers, or those I build for my customers.
>
> These two companies were the elite in the mid to late 90's. They have
> taken a big slide downhill and their attitude sucks!
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
>
>

> The change from antivirus to general overall security tools has lead to
> complete bloatware and has made what were good tools into complete
> garbage.
>
> I have on many occasions fixed clients/friends PCs or given them a huge
> performance hike by simply removing the bloat and installing better
> individual tools.
>
> The worst in my opinion is Norton which got bundled with everyone's
> computer and damn does that suck the life and resources out of a machine!!
> McAfee is heading the same way which is disappointing.
>
> Microsoft have done a reasonable job with OneCare which gets the job done
> in a very unobtrusive and less resource hogging manner. I hope the other
> look at the approach and follow suit. I am interested to see the OneCare
> beta for Vista which should be due any time soon.
>
>
>
> <DIV>&quot;Richard Urban&quot; &lt;richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com&gt;
> wrote in message news:O2$ELRW3GHA.1464@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...</DIV>>
> Isn't it funny as how the "major" players in the home security field

>> (Symantec and McAfee) are bitc*ing and moaning about how Microsoft should
>> get out of the security field and leave security to the "people who know"
>> and have been doing it so well ( ???? ) for the last few years.
>>
>> Yet, these big players have not, as of yet, released any program suites
>> ( or even a basic antivirus program) that work with Vista RC1!
>>
>> This is one of the reasons I have abandoned the big guys in favor of the
>> smaller players. They are more nimble and responsive to the changing
>> operating system as it approaches RTM status.
>>
>> I will "never" again install anything from either of these two
>> manufacturers on my computers, or those I build for my customers.
>>
>> These two companies were the elite in the mid to late 90's. They have
>> taken a big slide downhill and their attitude sucks!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>>
>>

> search and destroy along with smaller more basic antivirus solutions
> I haven't had any experiences with Onecare yet but if it is as good a they
> say it is I'll be happy to use it.
> as long as it never goes down the path of nortons and Mc afee
>
> "Chris Moore" <chrismoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:742EE95C-9A62-4353-83AD-955A4659517E@microsoft.com...

>> The change from antivirus to general overall security tools has lead to
>> complete bloatware and has made what were good tools into complete
>> garbage.
>>
>> I have on many occasions fixed clients/friends PCs or given them a huge
>> performance hike by simply removing the bloat and installing better
>> individual tools.
>>
>> The worst in my opinion is Norton which got bundled with everyone's
>> computer and damn does that suck the life and resources out of a
>> machine!! McAfee is heading the same way which is disappointing.
>>
>> Microsoft have done a reasonable job with OneCare which gets the job done
>> in a very unobtrusive and less resource hogging manner. I hope the other
>> look at the approach and follow suit. I am interested to see the OneCare
>> beta for Vista which should be due any time soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> <DIV>&quot;Richard Urban&quot; &lt;richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com&gt;
>> wrote in message news:O2$ELRW3GHA.1464@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...</DIV>>
>> Isn't it funny as how the "major" players in the home security field

>>> (Symantec and McAfee) are bitc*ing and moaning about how Microsoft
>>> should get out of the security field and leave security to the "people
>>> who know" and have been doing it so well ( ???? ) for the last few
>>> years.
>>>
>>> Yet, these big players have not, as of yet, released any program suites
>>> ( or even a basic antivirus program) that work with Vista RC1!
>>>
>>> This is one of the reasons I have abandoned the big guys in favor of the
>>> smaller players. They are more nimble and responsive to the changing
>>> operating system as it approaches RTM status.
>>>
>>> I will "never" again install anything from either of these two
>>> manufacturers on my computers, or those I build for my customers.
>>>
>>> These two companies were the elite in the mid to late 90's. They have
>>> taken a big slide downhill and their attitude sucks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Richard Urban
>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>
>>> Quote from George Ankner:
>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>

> OneCare works quite well and the product is evolving with seemingly good
> features based on the feedback from the Perpetual beta users. Also you have
> the license for 3 machines which is good value for most households with more
> than one computer these days! It is aimed more at less experienced users
> and lacks the advanced features but these days I am preferring 'set and
> forget' rather than 'nuts and bolts' approach to all these things as there
> are not enough hours in a day as it is!
>
> I still run other tools like Spybot and Ewido, a multifaceted approach to
> spyware is the best approach as no one tool trumps all!
>
> With less elevated priviledges in Vista I hope all the junk/viruses become
> less of an issue.
>
> Check the OneCare link in the Vista welcome center to sign up for the soon
> to be released Onecare 1.5 Vista beta.
>
>
>
> <DIV>"Will Schuitman" <willsch@bigpond.net.au> wrote in
> message news7083C3F-73F3-43A6-AE33-C10C8408DD40@microsoft.com...</DIV>>
> I've always been a huge fan of the smaller programs like Adaware and spybot

> > search and destroy along with smaller more basic antivirus solutions
> > I haven't had any experiences with Onecare yet but if it is as good a they
> > say it is I'll be happy to use it.
> > as long as it never goes down the path of nortons and Mc afee
> >
> > "Chris Moore" <chrismoo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:742EE95C-9A62-4353-83AD-955A4659517E@microsoft.com...

> >> The change from antivirus to general overall security tools has lead to
> >> complete bloatware and has made what were good tools into complete
> >> garbage.
> >>
> >> I have on many occasions fixed clients/friends PCs or given them a huge
> >> performance hike by simply removing the bloat and installing better
> >> individual tools.
> >>
> >> The worst in my opinion is Norton which got bundled with everyone's
> >> computer and damn does that suck the life and resources out of a
> >> machine!! McAfee is heading the same way which is disappointing.
> >>
> >> Microsoft have done a reasonable job with OneCare which gets the job done
> >> in a very unobtrusive and less resource hogging manner. I hope the other
> >> look at the approach and follow suit. I am interested to see the OneCare
> >> beta for Vista which should be due any time soon.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> <DIV>"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com>
> >> wrote in message news:O2$ELRW3GHA.1464@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...</DIV>>
> >> Isn't it funny as how the "major" players in the home security field
> >>> (Symantec and McAfee) are bitc*ing and moaning about how Microsoft
> >>> should get out of the security field and leave security to the "people
> >>> who know" and have been doing it so well ( ???? ) for the last few
> >>> years.
> >>>
> >>> Yet, these big players have not, as of yet, released any program suites
> >>> ( or even a basic antivirus program) that work with Vista RC1!
> >>>
> >>> This is one of the reasons I have abandoned the big guys in favor of the
> >>> smaller players. They are more nimble and responsive to the changing
> >>> operating system as it approaches RTM status.
> >>>
> >>> I will "never" again install anything from either of these two
> >>> manufacturers on my computers, or those I build for my customers.
> >>>
> >>> These two companies were the elite in the mid to late 90's. They have
> >>> taken a big slide downhill and their attitude sucks!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Richard Urban
> >>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> >>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
> >>>
> >>> Quote from George Ankner:
> >>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> >>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>

> >