ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)

Posted: 06-23-2006, 02:04 PM
I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . .
.. Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY
MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware,
etc.).
We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the
"Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
LOL.
Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems
and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
EXPLORED to some extent.
Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to
REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other
hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards
(ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
Dell/Vista Capable.
I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my
previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
2-64bit.
This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited
as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left
sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
BEWARE!!!!
These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are
some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at
you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
Queen Victoria!!!
Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
delivery a few days ago worked.
Yes, there were a few problems, though.
But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
The devil is in the details though.
My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed
at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as
I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a
possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card,
but then again, the third time it didn't
BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI
did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release
was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
C___S____RS!
Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help
to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have
most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing
and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my
time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating
System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer,
to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
underneath.
BOT=Best of Thoughts

--
Buddha Bless You

ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)


Responses to "ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)"

AJR
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 02:24 PM
Well "mikwiz" tour post compounds the problems of which you speak. A most
important function of the newsgroups is to provide assistance to "newbies"'
(Novices) - however majority of posts indicate lack of effort on those
posting to read and adhere to the MANY cautions related to installation and
use of software -
particularly beta stuff.
Gets tiresome after the first 30+ posts regarding "getting XP back". Many
"newbies" (Novices) do not check previous posts to see if their problem has
not been addressed. Last point - Most newsgroups are not monitored -
meaning just about anything goes.
"mikwiz" <mikwiz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7974B382-15DE-445D-A824-202484538E3C@microsoft.com...
>I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
> especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
> Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP .
> .
> . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED
> BY
> MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or
> Hardware,
> etc.).
> We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
> whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
> others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and
> the
> "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
> forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
> LOL.
> Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own
> systems
> and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
> EXPLORED to some extent.
> Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista
> to
> REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
> 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
> Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
> with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
> Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
> I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any
> other
> hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics
> cards
> (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
> initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
> Dell/Vista Capable.
> I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
> 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed
> my
> previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
> 2-64bit.
> This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
> given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website,
> limited
> as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
> Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
> ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the
> left
> sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
> benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
> etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
> BEWARE!!!!
> These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
> Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
> both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there
> are
> some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed
> at
> you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
> DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
> These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
> Queen Victoria!!!
> Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
> Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
> delivery a few days ago worked.
> Yes, there were a few problems, though.
> But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
> specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
> The devil is in the details though.
> My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily
> fixed
> at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
> My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
> recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again
> as
> I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
> Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just
> as a
> possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound
> card,
> but then again, the third time it didn't
> BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
> didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like
> ATI
> did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
> guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
> I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
> appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA
> release
> was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
> some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
> The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
> C___S____RS!
> Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
> operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
> struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much
> help
> to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
> individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
> money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
> Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
> Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
> stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and
> have
> most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make
> marketing
> and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money,
> my
> time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible
> Operating
> System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
> ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the
> consumer,
> to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
> underneath.
> BOT=Best of Thoughts
>
> --
> Buddha Bless You

LS \(V\)
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 02:30 PM
WOW !
I'll Bet you really feel better now !

"mikwiz" <mikwiz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7974B382-15DE-445D-A824-202484538E3C@microsoft.com...
>I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
> especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
> Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP .
> .
> . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED
> BY
> MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or
> Hardware,
> etc.).
> We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
> whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
> others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and
> the
> "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
> forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
> LOL.
> Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own
> systems
> and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
> EXPLORED to some extent.
> Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista
> to
> REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
> 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
> Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
> with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
> Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
> I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any
> other
> hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics
> cards
> (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
> initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
> Dell/Vista Capable.
> I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
> 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed
> my
> previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
> 2-64bit.
> This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
> given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website,
> limited
> as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
> Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
> ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the
> left
> sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
> benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
> etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
> BEWARE!!!!
> These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
> Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
> both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there
> are
> some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed
> at
> you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
> DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
> These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
> Queen Victoria!!!
> Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
> Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
> delivery a few days ago worked.
> Yes, there were a few problems, though.
> But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
> specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
> The devil is in the details though.
> My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily
> fixed
> at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
> My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
> recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again
> as
> I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
> Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just
> as a
> possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound
> card,
> but then again, the third time it didn't
> BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
> didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like
> ATI
> did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
> guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
> I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
> appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA
> release
> was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
> some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
> The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
> C___S____RS!
> Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
> operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
> struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much
> help
> to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
> individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
> money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
> Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
> Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
> stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and
> have
> most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make
> marketing
> and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money,
> my
> time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible
> Operating
> System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
> ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the
> consumer,
> to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
> underneath.
> BOT=Best of Thoughts
>
> --
> Buddha Bless You

Roy Coorne
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 02:43 PM
LS (V) schrieb:
> WOW !
> I'll Bet you really feel better now !
Second:-)
pm32611
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 03:05 PM
Gets tiresome after the first 30+ posts regarding "getting XP back".
Many
> "newbies" (Novices) do not check previous posts to see if their problem has
> not been addressed.
I for one do try to search for previous threads, but the crazy search
function does not always display what you are searching for. Also there has
been times I searched for something, unsuccessfully, posted, and someone was
nice enough to direct me to the previous post, which was labeled completely
different from what I expected to find.
So please, IF I ever post a question which has been answered before instead
of treating me as an imbicle just direct me to the previous post. I will then
know the correct way to search.

"AJR" wrote:
> Well "mikwiz" tour post compounds the problems of which you speak. A most
> important function of the newsgroups is to provide assistance to "newbies"'
> (Novices) - however majority of posts indicate lack of effort on those
> posting to read and adhere to the MANY cautions related to installation and
> use of software -
> particularly beta stuff.
> Gets tiresome after the first 30+ posts regarding "getting XP back". Many
> "newbies" (Novices) do not check previous posts to see if their problem has
> not been addressed. Last point - Most newsgroups are not monitored -
> meaning just about anything goes.
> "
>
>
jonah
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 03:12 PM
On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:39 -0400, "AJR" <ajrjdr@comcast.net> wrote:


Do you get paid by the word?

8-)

Jonah
>"mikwiz" <mikwiz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:7974B382-15DE-445D-A824-202484538E3C@microsoft.com...
>>I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
>> especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
>> Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP .
>> .
>> . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED
>> BY
>> MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or
>> Hardware,
>> etc.).
>> We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
>> whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
>> others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and
>> the
>> "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
>> forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
>> LOL.
>> Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own
>> systems
>> and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
>> EXPLORED to some extent.
>> Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista
>> to
>> REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
>> 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
>> Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
>> with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
>> Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
>> I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any
>> other
>> hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics
>> cards
>> (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
>> initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
>> Dell/Vista Capable.
>> I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
>> 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed
>> my
>> previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
>> 2-64bit.
>> This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
>> given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website,
>> limited
>> as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
>> Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
>> ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the
>> left
>> sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
>> benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
>> etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
>> BEWARE!!!!
>> These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
>> Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
>> both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there
>> are
>> some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed
>> at
>> you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
>> DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
>> These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
>> Queen Victoria!!!
>> Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
>> Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
>> delivery a few days ago worked.
>> Yes, there were a few problems, though.
>> But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
>> specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
>> The devil is in the details though.
>> My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily
>> fixed
>> at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
>> My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
>> recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again
>> as
>> I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
>> Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just
>> as a
>> possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound
>> card,
>> but then again, the third time it didn't
>> BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
>> didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like
>> ATI
>> did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
>> guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
>> I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
>> appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA
>> release
>> was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
>> some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
>> The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
>> C___S____RS!
>> Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
>> operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
>> struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much
>> help
>> to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
>> individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
>> money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
>> Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
>> Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
>> stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and
>> have
>> most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make
>> marketing
>> and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money,
>> my
>> time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible
>> Operating
>> System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
>> ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the
>> consumer,
>> to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
>> underneath.
>> BOT=Best of Thoughts
>>
>> --
>> Buddha Bless You
>
Colin Barnhorst
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 03:51 PM
See my reply on microsoft.public.windows.64bit.general

All the participants in the newsgroups on msnews.microsoft.com are
volunteers and are either not microsoft employees or are ms employees on
their own time. The link to 64bit Computing leads to a newsgroup that is
for a platform that is not Vista and does not have Vista in its name. There
may be other examples of someone picking these links without really seeing
if the subject matter discussed in a newsgroup pertained to Vista.

The Vista Mail team may not have done a very good job in picking the ng's to
list but the participants in the non-Vista ng's certainly are not prepared
to give Vista help other than their own co-incidental participation in a
Vista beta program entirely apart from the platform or application which
their non-Vista ng supports. In many of these ng's very few are Vista
savvy.

I have seen some of the replies to Vista users in these ng's and not all are
tactful, but that is how it is with some who volunteer their time. It's
true in this ng and it is true of your own post. Certainly there is no sort
of training or preparation given by MS to newsgroup volunteers and it looks
like a lot of people have been taken by surprise. There have been
unwarrented assumptions of all kinds that have led to unkind comments. A
good example in this ng are some replies to multiple postings caused not by
stupidity, as some not using the web-based newsreader assume, but by the
newsreader software. It is easy to jump to a conclusion if you fail to look
into a problem before speaking.

"mikwiz" <mikwiz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
> especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
> Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP .
> .
> . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED
> BY
> MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or
> Hardware,
> etc.).
> We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
> whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
> others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and
> the
> "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
> forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
> LOL.
> Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own
> systems
> and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
> EXPLORED to some extent.
> Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista
> to
> REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
> 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
> Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
> with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
> Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
> I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any
> other
> hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics
> cards
> (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
> initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
> Dell/Vista Capable.
> I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
> 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed
> my
> previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
> 2-64bit.
> This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
> given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website,
> limited
> as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
> Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
> ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the
> left
> sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
> benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
> etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
> BEWARE!!!!
> These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
> Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
> both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there
> are
> some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed
> at
> you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
> DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
> These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
> Queen Victoria!!!
> Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
> Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
> delivery a few days ago worked.
> Yes, there were a few problems, though.
> But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
> specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
> The devil is in the details though.
> My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily
> fixed
> at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
> My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
> recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again
> as
> I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
> Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just
> as a
> possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound
> card,
> but then again, the third time it didn't
> BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
> didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like
> ATI
> did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
> guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
> I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
> appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA
> release
> was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
> some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
> The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
> C___S____RS!
> Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
> operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
> struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much
> help
> to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
> individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
> money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
> Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
> Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
> stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and
> have
> most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make
> marketing
> and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money,
> my
> time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible
> Operating
> System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
> ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the
> consumer,
> to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
> underneath.
> BOT=Best of Thoughts
>
> --
> Buddha Bless You

Colin Barnhorst
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 03:52 PM
I re-imbursed him.

"jonah" <jonah123@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c21o92d3t3qegam49o4bo45rknhlf9ap20@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:39 -0400, "AJR" <ajrjdr@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Do you get paid by the word?
>
> 8-)
>
> Jonah
>
>>"mikwiz" <mikwiz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>news:7974B382-15DE-445D-A824-202484538E3C@microsoft.com...
>>>I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
>>> especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about
>>> Vista
>>> Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP
>>> .
>>> .
>>> . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the
>>> RECOMMENDED
>>> BY
>>> MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or
>>> Hardware,
>>> etc.).
>>> We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old
>>> Newsgroupies
>>> whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but
>>> some
>>> others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and
>>> the
>>> "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
>>> forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
>>> LOL.
>>> Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own
>>> systems
>>> and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
>>> EXPLORED to some extent.
>>> Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista
>>> to
>>> REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
>>> 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
>>> Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
>>> with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
>>> Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
>>> I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any
>>> other
>>> hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics
>>> cards
>>> (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
>>> initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
>>> Dell/Vista Capable.
>>> I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
>>> 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed
>>> my
>>> previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
>>> 2-64bit.
>>> This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have
>>> been
>>> given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website,
>>> limited
>>> as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a
>>> Top
>>> Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
>>> ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the
>>> left
>>> sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with
>>> subcategories
>>> benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. .
>>> .
>>> etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
>>> BEWARE!!!!
>>> These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
>>> Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro
>>> oldbies,
>>> both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there
>>> are
>>> some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be
>>> pissed
>>> at
>>> you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
>>> DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
>>> These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's
>>> and
>>> Queen Victoria!!!
>>> Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
>>> Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
>>> delivery a few days ago worked.
>>> Yes, there were a few problems, though.
>>> But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
>>> specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
>>> The devil is in the details though.
>>> My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily
>>> fixed
>>> at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
>>> My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
>>> recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized
>>> again
>>> as
>>> I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
>>> Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just
>>> as a
>>> possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound
>>> card,
>>> but then again, the third time it didn't
>>> BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
>>> didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like
>>> ATI
>>> did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You
>>> Creative
>>> guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
>>> I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
>>> appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA
>>> release
>>> was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people
>>> write
>>> some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
>>> The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
>>> C___S____RS!
>>> Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
>>> operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now,
>>> today,
>>> struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much
>>> help
>>> to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
>>> individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons
>>> of
>>> money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista
>>> Newsgroups
>>> Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
>>> Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
>>> stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and
>>> have
>>> most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make
>>> marketing
>>> and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my
>>> money,
>>> my
>>> time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible
>>> Operating
>>> System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
>>> ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the
>>> consumer,
>>> to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
>>> underneath.
>>> BOT=Best of Thoughts
>>>
>>> --
>>> Buddha Bless You
>>
>

Mario Rosario
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 04:49 PM
First of all, try to be brief. Formatting the paragraphs. It helps us read
and understand what you're saying. Use blank spaces between paragraphs. Keep
it simple. If I have to spend 15 minutes to figure out what you're saying, I
get bored and move on. I don't think I read through your entire posting.

Don't make us do the work for you, people help you out of kindness.

Hope this helps,
Mario

"mikwiz" <mikwiz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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<Original post deleted>
> --
> Buddha Bless You
mikwiz
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 06:11 PM
Have you tried "Winnie the Pooh." . . . Mario?
It's a good read for you and has this very nice Pooh-Bear, and has all his
friends in the forest. Just google "Winnie the Pooh" and you will be much
happier than reading these awful worldly matters.

--
Buddha Bless You


"Mario Rosario" wrote:
> First of all, try to be brief. Formatting the paragraphs. It helps us read
> and understand what you're saying. Use blank spaces between paragraphs. Keep
> it simple. If I have to spend 15 minutes to figure out what you're saying, I
> get bored and move on. I don't think I read through your entire posting.
>
> Don't make us do the work for you, people help you out of kindness.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Mario
>
> "mikwiz" <mikwiz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7974B382-15DE-445D-A824-202484538E3C@microsoft.com...
>
> <Original post deleted>
>
> > --
> > Buddha Bless You
>
 
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