ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)

Posted: 06-23-2006, 02:16 PM
I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . .
.. Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY
MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware,
etc.).
We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the
"Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
LOL.
Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems
and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
EXPLORED to some extent.
Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to
REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other
hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards
(ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
Dell/Vista Capable.
I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my
previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
2-64bit.
This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited
as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left
sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
BEWARE!!!!
These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are
some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at
you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
Queen Victoria!!!
Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
delivery a few days ago worked.
Yes, there were a few problems, though.
But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
The devil is in the details though.
My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed
at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as
I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a
possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card,
but then again, the third time it didn't
BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI
did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release
was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
C___S____RS!
Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help
to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have
most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing
and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my
time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating
System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer,
to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
underneath.
BOT=Best of Thoughts
--
Buddha Bless You

ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)


Responses to "ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)"

Larry Hodges
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 04:16 PM
That should be "IT Pros" btw, not "IP Pros". The acronym stands for
Information Technology, not Intuitive Proctology.

Carry on.

-Larry

"mikwiz" <mikwiz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B282EAFA-8933-469F-AAB4-D00DAECAD56D@microsoft.com...
>I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
> especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
> Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP .
> .
> . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED
> BY
> MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or
> Hardware,
> etc.).
> We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
> whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
> others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and
> the
> "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
> forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
> LOL.
> Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own
> systems
> and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
> EXPLORED to some extent.
> Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista
> to
> REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
> 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
> Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
> with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
> Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
> I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any
> other
> hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics
> cards
> (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
> initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
> Dell/Vista Capable.
> I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
> 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed
> my
> previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
> 2-64bit.
> This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
> given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website,
> limited
> as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
> Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
> ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the
> left
> sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
> benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
> etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
> BEWARE!!!!
> These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
> Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
> both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there
> are
> some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed
> at
> you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
> DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
> These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
> Queen Victoria!!!
> Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
> Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
> delivery a few days ago worked.
> Yes, there were a few problems, though.
> But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
> specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
> The devil is in the details though.
> My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily
> fixed
> at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
> My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
> recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again
> as
> I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
> Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just
> as a
> possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound
> card,
> but then again, the third time it didn't
> BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
> didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like
> ATI
> did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
> guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
> I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
> appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA
> release
> was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
> some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
> The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
> C___S____RS!
> Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
> operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
> struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much
> help
> to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
> individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
> money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
> Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
> Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
> stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and
> have
> most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make
> marketing
> and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money,
> my
> time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible
> Operating
> System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
> ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the
> consumer,
> to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
> underneath.
> BOT=Best of Thoughts
> --
> Buddha Bless You

mikwiz
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 04:32 PM
LOL--Thanks, Larry--IT vs. IP, as long as you understood where I am coming
from. I am a semi-newbie and sometimes my fingers quite don't go where my
mind wants them to go.
LOL
Do you happen to know anything about Dell Printer 944 integrating with
Vista64bit?
mikwiz
--
Buddha Bless You


"Larry Hodges" wrote:
> That should be "IT Pros" btw, not "IP Pros". The acronym stands for
> Information Technology, not Intuitive Proctology.
>
> Carry on.
>
> -Larry
>
> "mikwiz" <mikwiz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B282EAFA-8933-469F-AAB4-D00DAECAD56D@microsoft.com...
> >I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
> > especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
> > Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP .
> > .
> > . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED
> > BY
> > MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or
> > Hardware,
> > etc.).
> > We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
> > whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
> > others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and
> > the
> > "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
> > forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
> > LOL.
> > Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own
> > systems
> > and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
> > EXPLORED to some extent.
> > Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista
> > to
> > REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
> > 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
> > Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
> > with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
> > Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
> > I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any
> > other
> > hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics
> > cards
> > (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
> > initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
> > Dell/Vista Capable.
> > I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
> > 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed
> > my
> > previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
> > 2-64bit.
> > This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
> > given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website,
> > limited
> > as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
> > Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
> > ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the
> > left
> > sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
> > benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
> > etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
> > BEWARE!!!!
> > These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
> > Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
> > both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there
> > are
> > some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed
> > at
> > you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
> > DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
> > These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
> > Queen Victoria!!!
> > Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
> > Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
> > delivery a few days ago worked.
> > Yes, there were a few problems, though.
> > But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
> > specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
> > The devil is in the details though.
> > My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily
> > fixed
> > at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
> > My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
> > recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again
> > as
> > I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
> > Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just
> > as a
> > possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound
> > card,
> > but then again, the third time it didn't
> > BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
> > didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like
> > ATI
> > did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
> > guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
> > I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
> > appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA
> > release
> > was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
> > some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
> > The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
> > C___S____RS!
> > Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
> > operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
> > struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much
> > help
> > to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
> > individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
> > money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
> > Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
> > Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
> > stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and
> > have
> > most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make
> > marketing
> > and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money,
> > my
> > time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible
> > Operating
> > System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
> > ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the
> > consumer,
> > to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
> > underneath.
> > BOT=Best of Thoughts
> > --
> > Buddha Bless You
>
>
>
Kerry Brown
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 04:51 PM
semi-newbie?

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User



mikwiz
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Re: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-23-2006, 05:22 PM
What, like semi-sweet chocalate?
--
Buddha Bless You


"Kerry Brown" wrote:
> semi-newbie?
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
>
>
>
Leroy Brown!!
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RE: ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-25-2006, 02:34 PM
Well done mikwiz! (clap,clap,clap) I agree with you wholeheartedly and was
quite impressed with your comments (although, I think you may have forgotten
to adhere to the first 6 words you wrote! lol). I haven't seen any display of
the "axe-grinding" in any of the posts I've been scrolling through recently,
which is a big thumbs up to MS, but I have experienced it first hand a year
or two ago and was totally put off newsgroups full stop! Which is a shame
really, coz there have been many a question posted (not neccisarily in the MS
groups) that I could quite easily have answered but did not want to for fear
of stepping into the precious realm of these "so-called" experts and being
shot down in flames! (Ok, some of you really are experts, but the "real"
experts seem to answer any question no matter how silly it sounds)
Yes your right, MS has directed these people to these newsgroups for help
and reference, so to all, please show others respect for we all had to begin
somewhere, at some stage! (btw, I'm sure our names are now marked for
revenge! hehe).

I can also see it from the other side too, as in, if some people would just
take the time to "READ" some of the posts already Q+A'd they could save alot
of keystrokes and time for those involved in taking their "OWN" time to
answer! And also that some people should not take the term "BETA" to mean
"FREE", as it's only a "TEST" product for experienced people, for just that,
"TESTING PURPOSES" By all means, try the "BETA", but please don't sob and
complain wildly when "you click this button and nothing works".

Anyway, glad to see someone had the balls to say what I've been thinking
for a long time now, (even if I didn't - my wife has mine tucked away in her
purse in case I step outta line!) and it's also refreshing to see people
speak their mind, whether I agree or not.

Again, well done!

P.S. Have my copy of Vistax86 on order and expecting it in the mail any day
now! (and yes, I will be taking my 160GB XP-Pro hdd out and putting in my
spare 80GB hdd to do a "CLEAN" install and save a lot of headaches for all!)

O.K. I've finished now... nothing to see here, move along.

Lee-roy.
--



"mikwiz" wrote:
> I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
> especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
> Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . .
> . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY
> MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware,
> etc.).
> We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
> whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
> others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the
> "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
> forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
> LOL.
> Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems
> and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
> EXPLORED to some extent.
> Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to
> REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
> 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
> Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
> with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
> Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
> I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other
> hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards
> (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
> initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
> Dell/Vista Capable.
> I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
> 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my
> previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
> 2-64bit.
> This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
> given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited
> as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
> Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
> ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left
> sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
> benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
> etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
> BEWARE!!!!
> These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
> Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
> both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are
> some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at
> you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
> DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
> These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
> Queen Victoria!!!
> Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
> Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
> delivery a few days ago worked.
> Yes, there were a few problems, though.
> But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
> specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
> The devil is in the details though.
> My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed
> at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
> My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
> recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as
> I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
> Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a
> possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card,
> but then again, the third time it didn't
> BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
> didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI
> did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
> guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
> I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
> appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release
> was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
> some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
> The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
> C___S____RS!
> Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
> operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
> struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help
> to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
> individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
> money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
> Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
> Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
> stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have
> most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing
> and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my
> time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating
> System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
> ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer,
> to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
> underneath.
> BOT=Best of Thoughts
> --
> Buddha Bless You
Leroy Brown!!
Guest
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RE: ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-25-2006, 02:35 PM
Well done mikwiz! (clap,clap,clap) I agree with you wholeheartedly and was
quite impressed with your comments (although, I think you may have forgotten
to adhere to the first 6 words you wrote! lol). I haven't seen any display of
the "axe-grinding" in any of the posts I've been scrolling through recently,
which is a big thumbs up to MS, but I have experienced it first hand a year
or two ago and was totally put off newsgroups full stop! Which is a shame
really, coz there have been many a question posted (not neccisarily in the MS
groups) that I could quite easily have answered but did not want to for fear
of stepping into the precious realm of these "so-called" experts and being
shot down in flames! (Ok, some of you really are experts, but the "real"
experts seem to answer any question no matter how silly it sounds)
Yes your right, MS has directed these people to these newsgroups for help
and reference, so to all, please show others respect for we all had to begin
somewhere, at some stage! (btw, I'm sure our names are now marked for
revenge! hehe).

I can also see it from the other side too, as in, if some people would just
take the time to "READ" some of the posts already Q+A'd they could save alot
of keystrokes and time for those involved in taking their "OWN" time to
answer! And also that some people should not take the term "BETA" to mean
"FREE", as it's only a "TEST" product for experienced people, for just that,
"TESTING PURPOSES" By all means, try the "BETA", but please don't sob and
complain wildly when "you click this button and nothing works".

Anyway, glad to see someone had the balls to say what I've been thinking
for a long time now, (even if I didn't - my wife has mine tucked away in her
purse in case I step outta line!) and it's also refreshing to see people
speak their mind, whether I agree or not.

Again, well done!

P.S. Have my copy of Vistax86 on order and expecting it in the mail any day
now! (and yes, I will be taking my 160GB XP-Pro hdd out and putting in my
spare 80GB hdd to do a "CLEAN" install and save a lot of headaches for all!)

O.K. I've finished now... nothing to see here, move along.

Lee-roy.
--



"mikwiz" wrote:
> I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
> especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
> Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . .
> . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY
> MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware,
> etc.).
> We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
> whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
> others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the
> "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
> forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
> LOL.
> Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems
> and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
> EXPLORED to some extent.
> Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to
> REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
> 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
> Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
> with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
> Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
> I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other
> hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards
> (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
> initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
> Dell/Vista Capable.
> I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
> 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my
> previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
> 2-64bit.
> This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
> given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited
> as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
> Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
> ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left
> sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
> benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
> etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
> BEWARE!!!!
> These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
> Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
> both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are
> some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at
> you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
> DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
> These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
> Queen Victoria!!!
> Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
> Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
> delivery a few days ago worked.
> Yes, there were a few problems, though.
> But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
> specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
> The devil is in the details though.
> My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed
> at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
> My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
> recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as
> I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
> Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a
> possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card,
> but then again, the third time it didn't
> BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
> didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI
> did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
> guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
> I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
> appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release
> was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
> some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
> The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
> C___S____RS!
> Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
> operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
> struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help
> to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
> individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
> money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
> Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
> Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
> stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have
> most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing
> and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my
> time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating
> System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
> ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer,
> to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
> underneath.
> BOT=Best of Thoughts
> --
> Buddha Bless You
mikwiz
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RE: ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-25-2006, 03:47 PM
Thanks L-Roy-B
I think you have me and these Newsgroups figured out, right onnn! Thank you
for being so polite and specific. I wll take your advice, though, and change
my ID, because of possible repercussions.
--
Buddha Bless You


"Leroy Brown!!" wrote:
> Well done mikwiz! (clap,clap,clap) I agree with you wholeheartedly and was
> quite impressed with your comments (although, I think you may have forgotten
> to adhere to the first 6 words you wrote! lol). I haven't seen any display of
> the "axe-grinding" in any of the posts I've been scrolling through recently,
> which is a big thumbs up to MS, but I have experienced it first hand a year
> or two ago and was totally put off newsgroups full stop! Which is a shame
> really, coz there have been many a question posted (not neccisarily in the MS
> groups) that I could quite easily have answered but did not want to for fear
> of stepping into the precious realm of these "so-called" experts and being
> shot down in flames! (Ok, some of you really are experts, but the "real"
> experts seem to answer any question no matter how silly it sounds)
> Yes your right, MS has directed these people to these newsgroups for help
> and reference, so to all, please show others respect for we all had to begin
> somewhere, at some stage! (btw, I'm sure our names are now marked for
> revenge! hehe).
>
> I can also see it from the other side too, as in, if some people would just
> take the time to "READ" some of the posts already Q+A'd they could save alot
> of keystrokes and time for those involved in taking their "OWN" time to
> answer! And also that some people should not take the term "BETA" to mean
> "FREE", as it's only a "TEST" product for experienced people, for just that,
> "TESTING PURPOSES" By all means, try the "BETA", but please don't sob and
> complain wildly when "you click this button and nothing works".
>
> Anyway, glad to see someone had the balls to say what I've been thinking
> for a long time now, (even if I didn't - my wife has mine tucked away in her
> purse in case I step outta line!) and it's also refreshing to see people
> speak their mind, whether I agree or not.
>
> Again, well done!
>
> P.S. Have my copy of Vistax86 on order and expecting it in the mail any day
> now! (and yes, I will be taking my 160GB XP-Pro hdd out and putting in my
> spare 80GB hdd to do a "CLEAN" install and save a lot of headaches for all!)
>
> O.K. I've finished now... nothing to see here, move along.
>
> Lee-roy.
> --
>
>
>
> "mikwiz" wrote:
>
> > I will try to be brief. First, though, to all Non-Vista IP's (64Pro's
> > especially, and you know who you are) and have an axe to grind about Vista
> > Consumers in this and ALL your PRECIOUS existing OLD newsgroups for HELP . .
> > . Please get a life and be nice to us newbies on Vista and the RECOMMENDED BY
> > MICROSOFT NEWSGROUPS (and all their sub-categories like Printers or Hardware,
> > etc.).
> > We are here by Microsoft's invitation, not existing years-old Newsgroupies
> > whom, some of which have a great wealth of knowledge to give us, but some
> > others are OLD and RESISTANT to CHANGE and UPSET with Vista newbies and the
> > "Vista Microsoft Mail team" for putting us in their Precious older
> > forums/blogs/chats, et. all.
> > LOL.
> > Here's the deal on the Vista Beta releases as of 6/22/06 for my own systems
> > and the "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home" website and pages THAT I HAVE
> > EXPLORED to some extent.
> > Being conscious, I discovered Microsft (M) has been/is/ developing Vista to
> > REPLACE all older WINDOWS operating systems--that goes especially for
> > 64bit-XP-PROer's out there.
> > Thus, I made a decision to replace my older Dell Dimension 4400 desktop,
> > with a new Dell Dimension E510 and Inspiron Laptop, both rated as "Vista
> > Capable" this past week (6/21/2006).
> > I have received them both with operating systems devoid of almost any other
> > hardware or software but the basics of the premium sound and graphics cards
> > (ask me for the details) and necessary startup utilities, all operating
> > initially on the supplied/recommended Windows Media Center edition by
> > Dell/Vista Capable.
> > I immediately out of the box did a initial boot to make sure sure the
> > 'puters worked, and they did on Media Center XP, then went and installed my
> > previously ordered 2 DVD's (up to 10x2 computers) of Windows Vista Beta
> > 2-64bit.
> > This website and ALL links on this website is where I EXPLICITLY have been
> > given for VISTA SUPPORT by MICROSOFT through Microsoft.com website, limited
> > as it is, following the links from Microsoft.com to Vista, which is a Top
> > Link on their homepage, and then to their Vista Support links which
> > ultimately leads you to the Newsgroups for Windows Vista, where on the left
> > sidebar, there is "Windows Vista Newsgroups Home", and with subcategories
> > benesth like "Admin. . . .", "Find. . . ", "Games". . . ,"Hardware '. . .
> > etc. for about another 10 or 15 linked subcategories.
> > BEWARE!!!!
> > These links and subcategories are not necessarilly specific to Windows
> > Vista! They MAY include Internet Explorer 7/7+ newbies and XP-Pro oldbies,
> > both of which are for the most part cool people and will help, but there are
> > some in both IE7/7+ & XPPro64 oldbies and techies both, who will be pissed at
> > you for pissing on their dogigie-like territory.
> > DON"T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT!
> > These are public newsgroups, not British aristocracies from the 1900's and
> > Queen Victoria!!!
> > Anyways, back to my experience with my NEW Dell desktop/laptop systems.
> > Everything on the Microsoft DVd's that came in the standard (?) US mail
> > delivery a few days ago worked.
> > Yes, there were a few problems, though.
> > But the DVD's worked and installed both on my desktop and laptop (at top
> > specs--ask me for details) no problems--COMPLETE AND CLEAN INSTALLS.
> > The devil is in the details though.
> > My brand new ATI Radeon Graphoics card was not recognized, but easily fixed
> > at ATI's awesome website for Windows Vista RADEON 64bit graphics card.
> > My brand new Creative X-Fi Audio card was not recognized, then was
> > recognized on a second INSTALL of VISTA DVD64bit, then unrecoginized again as
> > I write this, ans I am not sure why. Make sure you use the Drivers and
> > Utilities disc that came with your NEW computer, whenever that was, just as a
> > possible backup, because it worked once for me with the Creative sound card,
> > but then again, the third time it didn't
> > BTW: If there is anyone out ther who works for Creative Sound Crds, why
> > didn't you guys have all your drivers for your NEWSEST sytems ready like ATI
> > did for their graphics card for this release of Beta 2 Vista? You Creative
> > guys knew this was coming for awhile, and there is no excuse!
> > I love the HBO series "Deadwood" and there is one word that fits very
> > appropriately for how I feel about MAJOR companies who KNEW this BETA release
> > was coming out months and months ago, and did not have THEIR people write
> > some simple compatibility code like ATI did for their graphics card.
> > The word from Deadwood that descibes such people as:
> > C___S____RS!
> > Anyways, my friends, my compatriots into the next realm of the premier
> > operating platforms in this solar system at least, we, who are now, today,
> > struggling to make out VISTA BTEA 2 systems work, and providing so much help
> > to each other, Microsoft, their subsidieries, and all their private,
> > individual, company, and corporate IP/IT Techs that will make them tons of
> > money in the future, stick by the FORUMS in the "Windows Vista Newsgroups
> > Home" and ALL of their subvategories.
> > Don't let old XP pros bully you out of their domains--tell them to get
> > stuffed, C___S_____! I am a proud and dtermined Vista Beta Consumer and have
> > most likely (or will likely if the cheap bastards who actually make marketing
> > and sales decisions at Microsoft--Bill Gates, PLEASE READ!) paid my money, my
> > time, and my compassion and soul into making this the Best Possible Operating
> > System for me and my network, and all of you, because now adays, we are
> > ultimately connected in some ways or another, and its up to us, the consumer,
> > to pave the way for a smooth ride on top of the platform/foundation laid
> > underneath.
> > BOT=Best of Thoughts
> > --
> > Buddha Bless You
Tom Scales
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Re: ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-25-2006, 04:11 PM

"Leroy Brown!!" <LeroyBrown@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F65BDDC7-96BE-4E26-A22F-13E96679C40E@microsoft.com...
> Well done mikwiz!

Do you really think posting under another name to congratulated yourself
wouldn't be obvious? Your droning, no paragraphs, no content style is hard
to miss


Leroy Brown!!
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RE: ATTN: All Vista Beta/Pre-Release Consumers (Not U IP Pro's!)
Posted: 06-28-2006, 07:15 PM


"mikwiz" wrote:
> Thanks L-Roy-B
> I think you have me and these Newsgroups figured out, right onnn! Thank you
> for being so polite and specific. I wll take your advice, though, and change
> my ID, because of possible repercussions.
> --
> Buddha Bless You
>
>
Hi mikwiz.

I think you may have taken my words out of context in reguards to my (sad,
if not bad) attempt at humour when I "jokingly" said: QUOTE "btw, I'm sure
our names are now marked for for revenge! hehe" UNQUOTE (notice the hehe,
that was me chuckling at my own silly joke) , as I surely wouldn't/didn't
advise anyone to change anything, for any reason! I'm certainly not qualified
to do so!

I also hope you don't sincerely think that there would be any cause for
concern about any repercussions arising over the statement you made on
account of what I may have said in my post, as most things I said should be
taken toungue-in-cheek, so to speak!

Also, if someone doesn't like what you or I said, ahh, who cares - life goes
on! I'm sure the people in this forum are more mature than to take what was
said to heart, hold a grudge, and then plan some kind of repurcussion! And if
they aren't, like I said earlier, "who cares - life goes on"!

I apologise for any thoughts I may have put in your head and I guess I
should be more careful what I write in future as this is the kind of reaction
you can receive if you don't.
Besides, this is not really the place for this kind of discussion I suppose
but I felt I had better get this point accross just in case I have made
someone (ie: yourself) get the wrong idea on what I said.

Anyway, happy "VISTA-ing" (just made a new word!) and hope all goes well!

Cheers,

Lee-roy.
 
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