Booting over USB 2.0 (over XP), some success...

Posted: 08-02-2003, 02:42 AM
Hello,

I am trying to get a windows xp USB 2.o driver installed.
Where on MS world can i get this. please help.

thanks.
gentletropic@hotmail.com

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi all,
>
>I am attempting to make XP boot over USB (1.1 or 2.0). I
know that this type
>of booting is "unsupported" by Microsoft. In fact, you
cant even install XP
>on a USB drive. However, if the bios supports it, it is
possible to boot
>from USB form a pre-installed version of XP.
>
>First, I really think that there is no need for any
driver developpement
>since XP has every driver needed to boot over USB. My
first attempt at a
>boot from USB resulted in a reboot after MUP.sys. Now it
crossed my mind
>that maybe USB was not enabled at boot time so I created
a new Group called
>USB miniport and USB storage and placed usbehci.sys,
usbohci, usbhub and
>usbstor right after SCSI miniport in load order. I also
changed the types so
>that USB is loaded at kernel time.
>
>I boot in /sos and see the USB drivers load right after
the SCSI miniport.
>Unfortunetly, no luck I still have a reboot after
MUP.sys.
>
>I then installed DriverStudio to see if I could write a
simple USB mass
>storage driver to make things work. But after installing
DriverStudio I
>tried again to boot over usb to see what happens with
SoftIce and behold:
>the thing boots! It works even when you skip the boot
message stating if you
>would like to skip the debugging.
>
>The only wierd part is that to log in to XP I now need
to press cntl-alt-del
>when it says "loading personnal setings..." when you
click on your username
>because it freezes.
>
>I investigated and found that SoftIce creates a group
called NTIce that
>loads 4 drivers: nwfilter, sigvid, sigsym and ntice. Now
something in these
>drivers is causing the USB boot to work. I just have no
idea what that is.
>
>My idea is that sigsiv is printing a message on the
screen saying "Do you
>want to load .... (press ESC to skip)" and waits a
couple of seconds. Is it
>possible that this give the USB drivers enough time to
enumerate the storage
>disk and boot or are these 4 drivers doing some obscure
thing that would
>suddenly make the USB boot work? I know that sigsiv does
more than just
>print a message to the screen. It must capture mouse
events and connect to
>the VGA adapter to print the message. Maybe this is what
is causing the boot
>to work for some unknown reason...
>
>Without this knowledge what approach could I use to boot
over USB? Would it
>be a good approach to write an upper layer driver that
would make the glue
>between USBSTOR and the primary boot disk drivers?
Should I write my own USB
>storage driver which I could then use in the
installation of XP using F6 in
>the textual part?
>
>What options do you think would work?
>
>Thanks in advance for any help,
>Daniel Shane
>
>
>
>.
>
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Cari \(MS-MVP\)
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Re: Booting over USB 2.0 (over XP), some success...
Posted: 08-02-2003, 10:23 PM
Download and install SP1 for WindowsXP.

Cari
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"Gentletropic" <gentletropic@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:039601c35897$536b1ae0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> Hello,
>
> I am trying to get a windows xp USB 2.o driver installed.
> Where on MS world can i get this. please help.
>
> thanks.
> gentletropic@hotmail.com
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Hi all,
> >
> >I am attempting to make XP boot over USB (1.1 or 2.0). I
> know that this type
> >of booting is "unsupported" by Microsoft. In fact, you
> cant even install XP
> >on a USB drive. However, if the bios supports it, it is
> possible to boot
> >from USB form a pre-installed version of XP.
> >
> >First, I really think that there is no need for any
> driver developpement
> >since XP has every driver needed to boot over USB. My
> first attempt at a
> >boot from USB resulted in a reboot after MUP.sys. Now it
> crossed my mind
> >that maybe USB was not enabled at boot time so I created
> a new Group called
> >USB miniport and USB storage and placed usbehci.sys,
> usbohci, usbhub and
> >usbstor right after SCSI miniport in load order. I also
> changed the types so
> >that USB is loaded at kernel time.
> >
> >I boot in /sos and see the USB drivers load right after
> the SCSI miniport.
> >Unfortunetly, no luck I still have a reboot after
> MUP.sys.
> >
> >I then installed DriverStudio to see if I could write a
> simple USB mass
> >storage driver to make things work. But after installing
> DriverStudio I
> >tried again to boot over usb to see what happens with
> SoftIce and behold:
> >the thing boots! It works even when you skip the boot
> message stating if you
> >would like to skip the debugging.
> >
> >The only wierd part is that to log in to XP I now need
> to press cntl-alt-del
> >when it says "loading personnal setings..." when you
> click on your username
> >because it freezes.
> >
> >I investigated and found that SoftIce creates a group
> called NTIce that
> >loads 4 drivers: nwfilter, sigvid, sigsym and ntice. Now
> something in these
> >drivers is causing the USB boot to work. I just have no
> idea what that is.
> >
> >My idea is that sigsiv is printing a message on the
> screen saying "Do you
> >want to load .... (press ESC to skip)" and waits a
> couple of seconds. Is it
> >possible that this give the USB drivers enough time to
> enumerate the storage
> >disk and boot or are these 4 drivers doing some obscure
> thing that would
> >suddenly make the USB boot work? I know that sigsiv does
> more than just
> >print a message to the screen. It must capture mouse
> events and connect to
> >the VGA adapter to print the message. Maybe this is what
> is causing the boot
> >to work for some unknown reason...
> >
> >Without this knowledge what approach could I use to boot
> over USB? Would it
> >be a good approach to write an upper layer driver that
> would make the glue
> >between USBSTOR and the primary boot disk drivers?
> Should I write my own USB
> >storage driver which I could then use in the
> installation of XP using F6 in
> >the textual part?
> >
> >What options do you think would work?
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any help,
> >Daniel Shane
> >
> >
> >
> >.
> >

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EREK
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Booting over USB 2.0 (over XP), some success...
Posted: 08-14-2003, 05:42 AM
this driver is supposed to be in the SP1, I have this
installed on my computer and I get an error message when I
try to install and connect my new digital camera- the
computer finds the new hardware and goes to install it and
comes up with a message suggesting that the usbccgp.sys is
missing although I found it in the service pack files-
this is quite frustrating. If you run across any
information, during your quest for answers, that may help
me out could you forward them to me please. EREK
>-----Original Message-----
>Hi all,
>
>I am attempting to make XP boot over USB (1.1 or 2.0). I
know that this type
>of booting is "unsupported" by Microsoft. In fact, you
cant even install XP
>on a USB drive. However, if the bios supports it, it is
possible to boot
>from USB form a pre-installed version of XP.
>
>First, I really think that there is no need for any
driver developpement
>since XP has every driver needed to boot over USB. My
first attempt at a
>boot from USB resulted in a reboot after MUP.sys. Now it
crossed my mind
>that maybe USB was not enabled at boot time so I created
a new Group called
>USB miniport and USB storage and placed usbehci.sys,
usbohci, usbhub and
>usbstor right after SCSI miniport in load order. I also
changed the types so
>that USB is loaded at kernel time.
>
>I boot in /sos and see the USB drivers load right after
the SCSI miniport.
>Unfortunetly, no luck I still have a reboot after MUP.sys.
>
>I then installed DriverStudio to see if I could write a
simple USB mass
>storage driver to make things work. But after installing
DriverStudio I
>tried again to boot over usb to see what happens with
SoftIce and behold:
>the thing boots! It works even when you skip the boot
message stating if you
>would like to skip the debugging.
>
>The only wierd part is that to log in to XP I now need to
press cntl-alt-del
>when it says "loading personnal setings..." when you
click on your username
>because it freezes.
>
>I investigated and found that SoftIce creates a group
called NTIce that
>loads 4 drivers: nwfilter, sigvid, sigsym and ntice. Now
something in these
>drivers is causing the USB boot to work. I just have no
idea what that is.
>
>My idea is that sigsiv is printing a message on the
screen saying "Do you
>want to load .... (press ESC to skip)" and waits a couple
of seconds. Is it
>possible that this give the USB drivers enough time to
enumerate the storage
>disk and boot or are these 4 drivers doing some obscure
thing that would
>suddenly make the USB boot work? I know that sigsiv does
more than just
>print a message to the screen. It must capture mouse
events and connect to
>the VGA adapter to print the message. Maybe this is what
is causing the boot
>to work for some unknown reason...
>
>Without this knowledge what approach could I use to boot
over USB? Would it
>be a good approach to write an upper layer driver that
would make the glue
>between USBSTOR and the primary boot disk drivers? Should
I write my own USB
>storage driver which I could then use in the installation
of XP using F6 in
>the textual part?
>
>What options do you think would work?
>
>Thanks in advance for any help,
>Daniel Shane
>
>
>
>.
>
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