Re: Camera movement in PS3 degrades on transcoding

Before reading your last reply I tried Cyberlink Power Producer which was
worse, then used WINAVI to transcode and burned in Nero as before and the
result was erratic to say the least. Finally I selected the "sensible" option
in PS 3, viz PAL 768x576, burned in Nero Express, and it's been the best
result to date, definition maybe not quite as good as when I lumber Nero with
1024x768, but better than the Sonic plug-in and all jerky pan and zoom and
tilt problems have taken a holiday. I wouldn't be ashamed to send copies to
friends. So I'll stick with this "solution" while I start going through your
large site, seeking to get a proper overview of the whole process, and tips.
Regards.
--
Jeremy Fisher


"PapaJohn" wrote:

> OK... I agree with your thoughts on it... but not being a Nero user, I don't
> have any comments. Maybe something on my website's Making DVDs > Nero page
> will help.
> --
> website references are to www.papajohn.org
>
> PapaJohn
>
> "Jeremy Fisher" <JeremyFisher@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:FAA24D05-BD42-4512-9A65-581697198BB8@microsoft.com...

> > No, it's not like that. As a one-time short documentary film editor, my
> > first injunction was that (usually, but of course not always) one prepares
> > for a camera movement with a few still frames and sometimes I want to do
> > this
> > in PS 3. So - a second or two of a duplicate image, or part of an image,
> > no
> > default transition, then, say, an 8-second pan or tilt, closing with
> > another
> > "still frame", again no transition (this image, obviously, a duplicate of
> > the
> > final position of the tilt.) The jerkiness is in the tilt, and is there
> > even
> > if I go straight into a movement without the "still frame". It smooths
> > out
> > if I take another several seconds over the tilt (jumps are especially
> > noticeable on tilts, and more so if I have used only a central section of
> > the
> > image. But they are there on all but my longer pans and zooms as well.)
> > When I began with PS 3 I used the Sonic all-in-one programme facility to
> > transcode and burn, but the picture quality was so inferior to the other
> > method that I gave it up at once. Last night I tried Sonic again, for fun,
> > on
> > a troublesome story. The picture definition was inferior, as on original
> > trials, but - no jerks! All as smooth as silk!So again I wonder if the
> > fault
> > is in my transcoding technique, and if there is a method or programme
> > which
> > will give both the higher resolution as well as the smoothness of
> > movement.
> > --
> > Jeremy Fisher
> >
> >
> > "PapaJohn" wrote:
> >

> >> I don't know if you're referring to places where you use multiple copies
> >> of
> >> the same picture, and change pans/zooms from one to the other.... if so,
> >> to
> >> get smooth changes, you need to remove the default transitions that are
> >> applied between copies of the same pix.
> >> --
> >> website references are to www.papajohn.org
> >>
> >> PapaJohn
> >>
> >> "Jeremy Fisher" <JeremyFisher@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:22126527-F125-4F4E-B0E1-BDEE27678BEC@microsoft.com...
> >> > Renewed thanks to those who answered my last post, especially to John
> >> > Inzer
> >> > and Papa John. This is a related question.
> >> > Simulated camera movements are important to my stories and all
> >> > necessary
> >> > ones come up pretty good in the .wmv file made at 1024x768. But
> >> > transcoded
> >> > with all due care to PAL in Nero Vision Express 3, and burned to DVD
> >> > video,
> >> > then although general picture quality remains high, jerkiness spoils
> >> > many
> >> > of
> >> > the pans and zooms. I've found I can correct this by lengthening them
> >> > in
> >> > the
> >> > .wp3 file, but this isn't a great solution as my images are cut to a
> >> > sound-track which is an important part of the project.
> >> > Am I stuck with this liability, or can it be overcome by using another
> >> > transcoding method? I want to be able to share my videos with friends
> >> > using
> >> > normally good quality standalone players. Is there anything I have
> >> > done
> >> > wrong or overlooked? (The jumps sometimes interfere even with a
> >> > creeping
> >> > zoom!)
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Jeremy Fisher
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>

With your depth of work with PS3, I look forward to any comments or
suggestions you'll have about the info on my website...

--
website references are to www.papajohn.org

PapaJohn

"Jeremy Fisher" <JeremyFisher@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9DF2D28E-A8C0-4081-80EE-0A18955BEBA7@microsoft.com...

> Before reading your last reply I tried Cyberlink Power Producer which was
> worse, then used WINAVI to transcode and burned in Nero as before and the
> result was erratic to say the least. Finally I selected the "sensible"
> option
> in PS 3, viz PAL 768x576, burned in Nero Express, and it's been the best
> result to date, definition maybe not quite as good as when I lumber Nero
> with
> 1024x768, but better than the Sonic plug-in and all jerky pan and zoom and
> tilt problems have taken a holiday. I wouldn't be ashamed to send copies
> to
> friends. So I'll stick with this "solution" while I start going through
> your
> large site, seeking to get a proper overview of the whole process, and
> tips.
> Regards.
> --
> Jeremy Fisher
>
>
> "PapaJohn" wrote:
>

>> OK... I agree with your thoughts on it... but not being a Nero user, I
>> don't
>> have any comments. Maybe something on my website's Making DVDs > Nero
>> page
>> will help.
>> --
>> website references are to www.papajohn.org
>>
>> PapaJohn
>>
>> "Jeremy Fisher" <JeremyFisher@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FAA24D05-BD42-4512-9A65-581697198BB8@microsoft.com...

>> > No, it's not like that. As a one-time short documentary film editor,
>> > my
>> > first injunction was that (usually, but of course not always) one
>> > prepares
>> > for a camera movement with a few still frames and sometimes I want to
>> > do
>> > this
>> > in PS 3. So - a second or two of a duplicate image, or part of an
>> > image,
>> > no
>> > default transition, then, say, an 8-second pan or tilt, closing with
>> > another
>> > "still frame", again no transition (this image, obviously, a duplicate
>> > of
>> > the
>> > final position of the tilt.) The jerkiness is in the tilt, and is
>> > there
>> > even
>> > if I go straight into a movement without the "still frame". It smooths
>> > out
>> > if I take another several seconds over the tilt (jumps are especially
>> > noticeable on tilts, and more so if I have used only a central section
>> > of
>> > the
>> > image. But they are there on all but my longer pans and zooms as well.)
>> > When I began with PS 3 I used the Sonic all-in-one programme facility
>> > to
>> > transcode and burn, but the picture quality was so inferior to the
>> > other
>> > method that I gave it up at once. Last night I tried Sonic again, for
>> > fun,
>> > on
>> > a troublesome story. The picture definition was inferior, as on
>> > original
>> > trials, but - no jerks! All as smooth as silk!So again I wonder if the
>> > fault
>> > is in my transcoding technique, and if there is a method or programme
>> > which
>> > will give both the higher resolution as well as the smoothness of
>> > movement.
>> > --
>> > Jeremy Fisher
>> >
>> >
>> > "PapaJohn" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't know if you're referring to places where you use multiple
>> >> copies
>> >> of
>> >> the same picture, and change pans/zooms from one to the other.... if
>> >> so,
>> >> to
>> >> get smooth changes, you need to remove the default transitions that
>> >> are
>> >> applied between copies of the same pix.
>> >> --
>> >> website references are to www.papajohn.org
>> >>
>> >> PapaJohn
>> >>
>> >> "Jeremy Fisher" <JeremyFisher@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:22126527-F125-4F4E-B0E1-BDEE27678BEC@microsoft.com...
>> >> > Renewed thanks to those who answered my last post, especially to
>> >> > John
>> >> > Inzer
>> >> > and Papa John. This is a related question.
>> >> > Simulated camera movements are important to my stories and all
>> >> > necessary
>> >> > ones come up pretty good in the .wmv file made at 1024x768. But
>> >> > transcoded
>> >> > with all due care to PAL in Nero Vision Express 3, and burned to DVD
>> >> > video,
>> >> > then although general picture quality remains high, jerkiness
>> >> > spoils
>> >> > many
>> >> > of
>> >> > the pans and zooms. I've found I can correct this by lengthening
>> >> > them
>> >> > in
>> >> > the
>> >> > .wp3 file, but this isn't a great solution as my images are cut to a
>> >> > sound-track which is an important part of the project.
>> >> > Am I stuck with this liability, or can it be overcome by using
>> >> > another
>> >> > transcoding method? I want to be able to share my videos with
>> >> > friends
>> >> > using
>> >> > normally good quality standalone players. Is there anything I have
>> >> > done
>> >> > wrong or overlooked? (The jumps sometimes interfere even with a
>> >> > creeping
>> >> > zoom!)
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jeremy Fisher
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

>>
>>
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