Re: Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 01-03-2009, 02:32 AM

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http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m...07.06.uac.aspx

"Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message
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> "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
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>>
>> This use is similar to that of any other limited
>> privilege account
>
> It is substantially different from the way security works in previous
> versions of Windows. I was not aware of that before I saw this thread
> earlier today.
>
>> Still, it is not recommended to use the administrator account
>> for everyday usage because Vista's implementation of UAC's
>> AAM is not a security boundary.
>
> It is not recommended to use the administrator account for everyday usage;
> period, end of advice.
>
> Much of Vista security attempts to reduce the vulnerabilities caused by
> violation of that excellent policy. I support use of limited accounts for
> everyday usage and have complied with that advice since my first use of
> NT, eventhough I am a developer and the only user of my systems. This
> Vista security stuff evidently is the result of Microsoft not emphasizing
> and supporting use of limited accounts in the past.

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Re: Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 01-03-2009, 02:44 AM

"Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message
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> "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:OPVOJGUbJHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> This use is similar to that of any other limited
>> privilege account
>
> It is substantially different from the way security works in previous
> versions of Windows. I was not aware of that before I saw this thread
> earlier today.
>
>> Still, it is not recommended to use the administrator account
>> for everyday usage because Vista's implementation of UAC's
>> AAM is not a security boundary.
>
> It is not recommended to use the administrator account for everyday usage;
> period, end of advice.

So say you...

But Vista installs and hides and disables that account and gives you a
limited account that you think is Administrator -but really isn't. That
way most people won't actually be using the full admin account even
though they think they are.

Still, one shouldn't be fooled into thinking it is OK to use this 'not
really
admin' account as an everyday account because it may be possible to
get around the consent prompt and make it act more like the real adimin
account.

> Much of Vista security attempts to reduce the vulnerabilities caused by
> violation of that excellent policy.

Indeed, the default condition for an XP install seems to be single user
full admin. Vista's default is different while allowing the user to believe
they are the only and highest privileged account.

> I support use of limited accounts for everyday usage and have complied
> with that advice since my first use of NT, eventhough I am a developer and
> the only user of my systems. This Vista security stuff evidently is the
> result of Microsoft not emphasizing and supporting use of limited accounts
> in the past.

Yeah, Vista is less lenient in this regard - and I hear the next OS will be
even less so.

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Re: Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 01-03-2009, 02:32 AM

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m...07.06.uac.aspx

"Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message
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>
> "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:OPVOJGUbJHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> This use is similar to that of any other limited
>> privilege account
>
> It is substantially different from the way security works in previous
> versions of Windows. I was not aware of that before I saw this thread
> earlier today.
>
>> Still, it is not recommended to use the administrator account
>> for everyday usage because Vista's implementation of UAC's
>> AAM is not a security boundary.
>
> It is not recommended to use the administrator account for everyday usage;
> period, end of advice.
>
> Much of Vista security attempts to reduce the vulnerabilities caused by
> violation of that excellent policy. I support use of limited accounts for
> everyday usage and have complied with that advice since my first use of
> NT, eventhough I am a developer and the only user of my systems. This
> Vista security stuff evidently is the result of Microsoft not emphasizing
> and supporting use of limited accounts in the past.

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Re: Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 01-03-2009, 02:44 AM

"Sam Hobbs" <Gateremovethis@SamHobbs.org> wrote in message
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>
> "FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
> news:OPVOJGUbJHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> This use is similar to that of any other limited
>> privilege account
>
> It is substantially different from the way security works in previous
> versions of Windows. I was not aware of that before I saw this thread
> earlier today.
>
>> Still, it is not recommended to use the administrator account
>> for everyday usage because Vista's implementation of UAC's
>> AAM is not a security boundary.
>
> It is not recommended to use the administrator account for everyday usage;
> period, end of advice.

> Much of Vista security attempts to reduce the vulnerabilities caused by
> violation of that excellent policy.

Indeed, the default condition for an XP install seems to be single user
full admin. Vista's default is different while allowing the user to believe
they are the only and highest privileged account.

> I support use of limited accounts for everyday usage and have complied
> with that advice since my first use of NT, eventhough I am a developer and
> the only user of my systems. This Vista security stuff evidently is the
> result of Microsoft not emphasizing and supporting use of limited accounts
> in the past.

Yeah, Vista is less lenient in this regard - and I hear the next OS will be
even less so.

Sam Hobbs

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Re: Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 01-03-2009, 02:23 AM

"FromTheRafters" <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in message
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>
> This use is similar to that of any other limited
> privilege account

It is substantially different from the way security works in previous
versions of Windows. I was not aware of that before I saw this thread
earlier today.

> Still, it is not recommended to use the administrator account
> for everyday usage because Vista's implementation of UAC's
> AAM is not a security boundary.

It is not recommended to use the administrator account for everyday usage;
period, end of advice.

Much of Vista security attempts to reduce the vulnerabilities caused by
violation of that excellent policy. I support use of limited accounts for
everyday usage and have complied with that advice since my first use of NT,
eventhough I am a developer and the only user of my systems. This Vista
security stuff evidently is the result of Microsoft not emphasizing and
supporting use of limited accounts in the past.

LDM

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Re: Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 01-02-2009, 09:34 PM

Rick,
I only came across this Elevated prompt thing myself the other day when
being given help troubleshooting another issue. Never heard of it before.

Neil,
Is Ultimate different from Vista Bus. Ed.? Or is this some sort of special
defrag you are doing? I thought all Windows OS had a defrag program.

"Rick Rogers" wrote:

> Hi Neil,
>
> Click start, type CMD and right click the entry that appears in the start
> menu. Choose "run as administrator". Run contig from this elevated prompt.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> "Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fDo5l.18113$hr3.12995@newsfe01.iad...
> >I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific
> > directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset)
> > from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I
> > got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System
> > Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message.
> >
> > How can I run the "Contig" tool on Vista? What are the proper settings?
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > NJ
>
>

Rick Rogers

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Re: Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 01-03-2009, 01:36 AM

Hi,

Ultimate has all the features of Business plus the multimedia aspects of the
Home versions. Read up on the use of the contig tool here:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897428.aspx

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"LDM" <LDM@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Rick,
> I only came across this Elevated prompt thing myself the other day when
> being given help troubleshooting another issue. Never heard of it before.
>
> Neil,
> Is Ultimate different from Vista Bus. Ed.? Or is this some sort of special
> defrag you are doing? I thought all Windows OS had a defrag program.
>
>
> "Rick Rogers" wrote:
>
>> Hi Neil,
>>
>> Click start, type CMD and right click the entry that appears in the start
>> menu. Choose "run as administrator". Run contig from this elevated
>> prompt.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> "Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:fDo5l.18113$hr3.12995@newsfe01.iad...
>> >I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific
>> > directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset)
>> > from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I
>> > got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System
>> > Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message.
>> >
>> > How can I run the "Contig" tool on Vista? What are the proper
>> > settings?
>> >
>> > Thank you in advance.
>> >
>> > NJ
>>
>>

Neil Jones

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Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 12-27-2008, 11:49 AM

I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific
directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset)
from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I
got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System
Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message.

How can I run the "Contig" tool on Vista? What are the proper settings?

Thank you in advance.

NJ

Norm Raddick

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Re: Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 12-27-2008, 12:16 PM

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 06:49:00 -0500, Neil Jones
<castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote:

>I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific
>directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset)
>from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I
>got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System
>Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message.

What specifically are you trying to defrag?

Norman
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important things of life, there'd
be a shortage of fishing poles.
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Rick Rogers

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Re: Cannot run "Contig" (defrag tool) as Admin on Vista

Posted: 12-27-2008, 12:26 PM

Hi Neil,

Click start, type CMD and right click the entry that appears in the start
menu. Choose "run as administrator". Run contig from this elevated prompt.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Neil Jones" <castellan2004-nschap@remove-this.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have a Vista Ultimate on my system. I want to defrag some specific
> directories/files, so I have downloaded "Contig" (sysinternals toolset)
> from the Microsoft site. When I try to run this tool as normal user I
> got "Access Denied" message. I have logged in as the System
> Administrator and got the same "Access Denied" message.
>
> How can I run the "Contig" tool on Vista? What are the proper settings?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> NJ

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