Can't sync to Internet Time, really weird error message

might have fixed it - changed server to nist1.datum.com

Jeff W wrote:

>Hi - I upgraded to XP Home SP2 and have a great cable modem internet
>connection. On WIN98SE I used D4 and AutoMachron to sync with the
>timeserver all the time, so I know the firewall in my router isn't a
>problem. Under XP. I can't sync time. I Do Not have the Windows
>Firewall enabled, and I'm running Mcafee (though disabling mcafee didn't
>help).
>
>When I try to use time.nist.gov in the Internet Time Tab of Date and
>Time Properties, I get 'an error occurred when Windows was
>synchronizing with time.nst.gov'.
>
>When I try time.windows.com I get the weird error "the time sample was
>rejected because the peer's stratum is less than the host's stratum".
>
>I checked the knowledge base but nothing jumped out.
>
>Anyone know what's blocking time for me?
>
>thanks!
>/j
>
>

"Jeff W" <msnews@kwcpa.com>
wrote in news:e0wq3kKuEHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> Hi - I upgraded to XP Home SP2 and have a great cable modem internet
> connection. On WIN98SE I used D4 and AutoMachron to sync with the
> timeserver all the time, so I know the firewall in my router isn't a
> problem. Under XP. I can't sync time. I Do Not have the Windows
> Firewall enabled, and I'm running Mcafee (though disabling mcafee
> didn't help).
>
> When I try to use time.nist.gov in the Internet Time Tab of Date and
> Time Properties, I get 'an error occurred when Windows was
> synchronizing with time.nst.gov'.
>
> When I try time.windows.com I get the weird error "the time sample was
> rejected because the peer's stratum is less than the host's stratum".
>
> I checked the knowledge base but nothing jumped out.
>
> Anyone know what's blocking time for me?
>
> thanks!
> /j

Pick a server that is logically closer to you. Picking a common or
national NTP server means it will be very, very busy (which means your
time polls will often fail).

http://www.google.com/search?q=%2BNTP+%2Bpublic+server

Add your state to the search to narrow the search. Often your state
university will have a public NTP server.

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thanks Vx

Vanguardx wrote:

>"Jeff W" <msnews@kwcpa.com>
>wrote in news:e0wq3kKuEHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

>> Hi - I upgraded to XP Home SP2 and have a great cable modem internet
>> connection. On WIN98SE I used D4 and AutoMachron to sync with the
>> timeserver all the time, so I know the firewall in my router isn't a
>> problem. Under XP. I can't sync time. I Do Not have the Windows
>> Firewall enabled, and I'm running Mcafee (though disabling mcafee
>> didn't help).
>>
>> When I try to use time.nist.gov in the Internet Time Tab of Date and
>> Time Properties, I get 'an error occurred when Windows was
>> synchronizing with time.nst.gov'.
>>
>> When I try time.windows.com I get the weird error "the time sample was
>> rejected because the peer's stratum is less than the host's stratum".
>>
>> I checked the knowledge base but nothing jumped out.
>>
>> Anyone know what's blocking time for me?
>>
>> thanks!
>> /j

>
>Pick a server that is logically closer to you. Picking a common or
>national NTP server means it will be very, very busy (which means your
>time polls will often fail).
>
>http://www.google.com/search?q=%2BNTP+%2Bpublic+server
>
>Add your state to the search to narrow the search. Often your state
>university will have a public NTP server.
>
>
>

"Vanguardx" <see_signature> wrote in message
news:OnrV0hMuEHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> "Jeff W" <msnews@kwcpa.com>
> wrote in news:e0wq3kKuEHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

>> Hi - I upgraded to XP Home SP2 and have a great cable modem internet
>> connection. On WIN98SE I used D4 and AutoMachron to sync with the
>> timeserver all the time, so I know the firewall in my router isn't a
>> problem. Under XP. I can't sync time. I Do Not have the Windows
>> Firewall enabled, and I'm running Mcafee (though disabling mcafee
>> didn't help).
>>
>> When I try to use time.nist.gov in the Internet Time Tab of Date and
>> Time Properties, I get 'an error occurred when Windows was
>> synchronizing with time.nst.gov'.
>>
>> When I try time.windows.com I get the weird error "the time sample was
>> rejected because the peer's stratum is less than the host's stratum".
>>
>> I checked the knowledge base but nothing jumped out.
>>
>> Anyone know what's blocking time for me?
>>
>> thanks!
>> /j

>
> Pick a server that is logically closer to you. Picking a common or
> national NTP server means it will be very, very busy (which means your
> time polls will often fail).
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=%2BNTP+%2Bpublic+server
>
> Add your state to the search to narrow the search. Often your state
> university will have a public NTP server.

Thank you!

>
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On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:50:58 -0400, Jeff W <msnews@kwcpa.com> wrote:

Just a guess [to coincide with the 7 day synch setting]. I've used the synch at
Gainesville FL. with automachron for hourly updates with my win98 dying battery
machine.
Other smtp's brought up errors.
reasons being:
1 not a true public server.
2 not authorized access this one here includes many different configurations.

I'm guessing the windows synch uses your isp to reply or go after the synch to
reply. Seems to me it'd be faster to just reply, than checking to see if that
specific ISP asked within the past hour or less.

Somehow other than some kid playing, I can't picture anyone having any desire
to keep pinging an ntp server to the point of flooding it.

ie: I synched at windows then set it in registry from 24 - 7 hour checkups.
Then tried again. 2nd attempt came back with peer's stratum error, and also
failed at nist.

1 synch has normally been enough for me at any ntp server so that would explain
why this is the 1st time I've seen any errors.

I used the Gainesville synch after the others failed, and it worked.

>>> When I try to use time.nist.gov in the Internet Time Tab of Date and
>>> Time Properties, I get 'an error occurred when Windows was
>>> synchronizing with time.nst.gov'.
>>>
>>> When I try time.windows.com I get the weird error "the time sample was
>>> rejected because the peer's stratum is less than the host's stratum".
>>>
>>> I checked the knowledge base but nothing jumped out.
>>>
>>> Anyone know what's blocking time for me?

the server you're connecting to is likely what's blocking you. See errors
above.

>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> /j

>>
>>Pick a server that is logically closer to you. Picking a common or
>>national NTP server means it will be very, very busy (which means your
>>time polls will often fail).
>>
>>http://www.google.com/search?q=%2BNTP+%2Bpublic+server
>>
>>Add your state to the search to narrow the search. Often your state
>>university will have a public NTP server.
>>
>>
>>

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"Jeff W" <msnews@kwcpa.com>
wrote in news:Oa1x0%23QuEHA.4040@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl:

> thanks Vx
>
> Vanguardx wrote:
>

>> "Jeff W" <msnews@kwcpa.com>
>> wrote in news:e0wq3kKuEHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

>>> Hi - I upgraded to XP Home SP2 and have a great cable modem internet
>>> connection. On WIN98SE I used D4 and AutoMachron to sync with the
>>> timeserver all the time, so I know the firewall in my router isn't a
>>> problem. Under XP. I can't sync time. I Do Not have the Windows
>>> Firewall enabled, and I'm running Mcafee (though disabling mcafee
>>> didn't help).
>>>
>>> When I try to use time.nist.gov in the Internet Time Tab of Date and
>>> Time Properties, I get 'an error occurred when Windows was
>>> synchronizing with time.nst.gov'.
>>>
>>> When I try time.windows.com I get the weird error "the time sample
>>> was rejected because the peer's stratum is less than the host's
>>> stratum".
>>>
>>> I checked the knowledge base but nothing jumped out.
>>>
>>> Anyone know what's blocking time for me?
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> /j

>>
>> Pick a server that is logically closer to you. Picking a common or
>> national NTP server means it will be very, very busy (which means
>> your time polls will often fail).
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=%2BNTP+%2Bpublic+server
>>
>> Add your state to the search to narrow the search. Often your state
>> university will have a public NTP server.

Actually I dislike only having one or two NTP servers from which I can
poll. Due to busy servers, outages in routes or backbones, busy
routers, UDP packet loss, etc., I like to be able to poll many NTP
servers. Just because an NTP server is physically close doesn't mean it
will be the fastest to respond or result in the least differential
(i.e., how much the time will be before you get the response). I use
SocketWatch which lets me poll something like a couple hundred different
NTP servers. It does some performance checking and finds the fastest
NTP servers (and will check others while using the fast ones). I've
never had it have a problem finding an NTP server from which it could
get a successful reply.

I'm sure there are other time sync utilities that also will query much
more than a measly couple of time servers. The time sync service in
Windows is really geared for use on a domain where probably the PDC and
BDC provide the time sync services within a company. In a domain
scenario, you really don't need more than 2 NTP servers to choose from.
If you're going to grab one out on the Internet, well, good luck finding
one that always responds, is up 24/7, is never busy, and is always
reachable.

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> "Vanguardx" <see_signature> wrote in message
> news:OnrV0hMuEHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

> > "Jeff W" <msnews@kwcpa.com>
> > wrote in news:e0wq3kKuEHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> >> Hi - I upgraded to XP Home SP2 and have a great cable modem internet
> >> connection. On WIN98SE I used D4 and AutoMachron to sync with the
> >> timeserver all the time, so I know the firewall in my router isn't a
> >> problem. Under XP. I can't sync time. I Do Not have the Windows
> >> Firewall enabled, and I'm running Mcafee (though disabling mcafee
> >> didn't help).
> >>
> >> When I try to use time.nist.gov in the Internet Time Tab of Date and
> >> Time Properties, I get 'an error occurred when Windows was
> >> synchronizing with time.nst.gov'.
> >>
> >> When I try time.windows.com I get the weird error "the time sample was
> >> rejected because the peer's stratum is less than the host's stratum".
> >>
> >> I checked the knowledge base but nothing jumped out.
> >>
> >> Anyone know what's blocking time for me?
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >> /j

> >
> > Pick a server that is logically closer to you. Picking a common or
> > national NTP server means it will be very, very busy (which means your
> > time polls will often fail).
> >
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=%2BNTP+%2Bpublic+server
> >
> > Add your state to the search to narrow the search. Often your state
> > university will have a public NTP server.

>
> Thank you!
>

> >
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I used a little program called AboutTime to synchronise with an
internal time
server no firewall. After upgrading to WIN-XP the program will no sync
to
the time server and Windows-XP builtin time synchronisation does not
work
either, both give an error message that no time server is available.
The
non-upgraded PC's work without problems. Does anyone has information
what changed in SP2 which could cause problems with the time service
protocol used?

Regards,
Horst

is your firewall on (SP2 turns it on by default)? have you tried
multiple servers?


hbsimon wrote:

>"BigRedWingsFan" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<OldO4WRuEHA.1292@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>...

>> "Vanguardx" <see_signature> wrote in message
>> news:OnrV0hMuEHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

>> > "Jeff W" <msnews@kwcpa.com>
>> > wrote in news:e0wq3kKuEHA.2640@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:
>> >> Hi - I upgraded to XP Home SP2 and have a great cable modem internet
>> >> connection. On WIN98SE I used D4 and AutoMachron to sync with the
>> >> timeserver all the time, so I know the firewall in my router isn't a
>> >> problem. Under XP. I can't sync time. I Do Not have the Windows
>> >> Firewall enabled, and I'm running Mcafee (though disabling mcafee
>> >> didn't help).
>> >>
>> >> When I try to use time.nist.gov in the Internet Time Tab of Date and
>> >> Time Properties, I get 'an error occurred when Windows was
>> >> synchronizing with time.nst.gov'.
>> >>
>> >> When I try time.windows.com I get the weird error "the time sample was
>> >> rejected because the peer's stratum is less than the host's stratum".
>> >>
>> >> I checked the knowledge base but nothing jumped out.
>> >>
>> >> Anyone know what's blocking time for me?
>> >>
>> >> thanks!
>> >> /j
>> >
>> > Pick a server that is logically closer to you. Picking a common or
>> > national NTP server means it will be very, very busy (which means your
>> > time polls will often fail).
>> >
>> > http://www.google.com/search?q=%2BNTP+%2Bpublic+server
>> >
>> > Add your state to the search to narrow the search. Often your state
>> > university will have a public NTP server.

>>
>> Thank you!
>>

>> >
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>>

>I used a little program called AboutTime to synchronise with an
>internal time
>server no firewall. After upgrading to WIN-XP the program will no sync
>to
>the time server and Windows-XP builtin time synchronisation does not
>work
>either, both give an error message that no time server is available.
>The
>non-upgraded PC's work without problems. Does anyone has information
>what changed in SP2 which could cause problems with the time service
>protocol used?
>
>Regards,
>Horst
>
>