CF duplication

Posted: 04-23-2006, 08:10 PM
Hello group,

Maybe some one out here knows how to slove the following probem..

Setuo, -an embedded system running Win XP embedded from a 256 MB Compact
Flash card. The triggy part here is that the CF unit must be



set to fixed as the setup needs two drives, one fixed (write protected) and
one containing application and data. The CF unit must be

bootable where XP is located on the fixed drive.The system has no keyboard /
mouse or vdu, e.i. it is a stand alone system for process

control that must maintain a high level of uptime.

Problem: Fabrication of the flash units. So far they have been made by using
a desktop computer running Win2K and an CF/IDE adapter that is located
DIRECTLY in the 2.nd IDE interface on the motherboard.


First the CF unit must be set to 'non fixed' by using a DOS utillity program
and having the CF/IDE adapter located in the main IDE interface and no HDD
connected. System is booted from a floppy disc conatining DOS 6.22. and a
batch job calling the utillity program. Okay so the disc is now ready for

win XP.

When installed in the 2.nd interface (as master) it is possible to make a
NTFS partition (primary) of 225MB and another primary NTFS partition of

19 MB. The XP immage can e coppied to the 225 MB partition and will boote.
However making 120 pcs in this way is werry time consuming as the

computer needs to be closed for each disc.


I then got the idea to mount the CF/IDE adapter in an USB disc container
(Sandberg). However, when formatting my CF unit I can not select the
partition size with the interval of 1MB but in chunks of approx 8MB. When
formatted en ready target will not boot on this CF unit. Taking the disc
made using the USB interface and place it in the CF/IDE adapter and locate
it in the otherboard IDE interface (2.nd) accessing the CF using Partition
Magic 8, I now

is infomed that the CF has disc symmetry error and is marked as bad.

Same thing happens if I use a card reader or place the CF/IDE adapter in an
PCI disc controller. It will only work when located on the motherboard.

I have tried to use an Addonics CF/IDE adapter useed for mounting on the IDE
ribbon cable and get the same problem.

What is the problem here, why can I not use the USB IDE to handle my CF
units....??

Best regards

Lars


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Sean Liming \(eMVP\)
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Re: CF duplication
Posted: 04-24-2006, 06:19 AM

XP/XPe can only see one partition on a removable device. Under XP/XPe, the
USB to CF is treated as a removable device and will not format with the boot
sector. Duplicating with the USBtoCF card is not possible, unless there is
3rd party utility that allows for this. The IDE/CF is needed to prepare the
CF card for XPe boot. Your DOS procedure is the standard way to setup the CF
card to boot.

Regards,

Sean Liming
www.sjjmicro.com / www.seanliming.com
XP Embedded Book Author - XP Embedded Advanced, XP Embedded Supplemental
Toolkit.


"Carl Johan Jensen" <mobil@iftt.dk> wrote in message
news:eAj7dmwZGHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Hello group,
>
> Maybe some one out here knows how to slove the following probem..
>
> Setuo, -an embedded system running Win XP embedded from a 256 MB Compact
> Flash card. The triggy part here is that the CF unit must be
>
>
>
> set to fixed as the setup needs two drives, one fixed (write protected)
> and one containing application and data. The CF unit must be
>
> bootable where XP is located on the fixed drive.The system has no keyboard
> / mouse or vdu, e.i. it is a stand alone system for process
>
> control that must maintain a high level of uptime.
>
> Problem: Fabrication of the flash units. So far they have been made by
> using a desktop computer running Win2K and an CF/IDE adapter that is
> located DIRECTLY in the 2.nd IDE interface on the motherboard.
>
>
> First the CF unit must be set to 'non fixed' by using a DOS utillity
> program and having the CF/IDE adapter located in the main IDE interface
> and no HDD connected. System is booted from a floppy disc conatining DOS
> 6.22. and a batch job calling the utillity program. Okay so the disc is
> now ready for
>
> win XP.
>
> When installed in the 2.nd interface (as master) it is possible to make a
> NTFS partition (primary) of 225MB and another primary NTFS partition of
>
> 19 MB. The XP immage can e coppied to the 225 MB partition and will boote.
> However making 120 pcs in this way is werry time consuming as the
>
> computer needs to be closed for each disc.
>
>
> I then got the idea to mount the CF/IDE adapter in an USB disc container
> (Sandberg). However, when formatting my CF unit I can not select the
> partition size with the interval of 1MB but in chunks of approx 8MB. When
> formatted en ready target will not boot on this CF unit. Taking the disc
> made using the USB interface and place it in the CF/IDE adapter and locate
> it in the otherboard IDE interface (2.nd) accessing the CF using Partition
> Magic 8, I now
>
> is infomed that the CF has disc symmetry error and is marked as bad.
>
> Same thing happens if I use a card reader or place the CF/IDE adapter in
> an PCI disc controller. It will only work when located on the motherboard.
>
> I have tried to use an Addonics CF/IDE adapter useed for mounting on the
> IDE ribbon cable and get the same problem.
>
> What is the problem here, why can I not use the USB IDE to handle my CF
> units....??
>
> Best regards
>
> Lars
>
>

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Sean Liming \(eMVP\)
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Re: CF duplication
Posted: 04-24-2006, 06:20 AM

"Sean Liming (eMVP)" <sean_liming@sjjmicro.com> wrote in message news:...
>
> XP/XPe can only see one partition on a removable device. Under XP/XPe, the
> USB to CF is treated as a removable device and will not format with the
> boot sector. Duplicating with the USBtoCF card is not possible, unless
> there is 3rd party utility that allows for this. The IDE/CF is needed to
> prepare the CF card for XPe boot. Your DOS procedure is the standard way
> to setup the CF card to boot.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sean Liming
> www.sjjmicro.com / www.seanliming.com
> XP Embedded Book Author - XP Embedded Advanced, XP Embedded Supplemental
> Toolkit.
>
>
> "Carl Johan Jensen" <mobil@iftt.dk> wrote in message
> news:eAj7dmwZGHA.3328@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hello group,
>>
>> Maybe some one out here knows how to slove the following probem..
>>
>> Setuo, -an embedded system running Win XP embedded from a 256 MB Compact
>> Flash card. The triggy part here is that the CF unit must be
>>
>>
>>
>> set to fixed as the setup needs two drives, one fixed (write protected)
>> and one containing application and data. The CF unit must be
>>
>> bootable where XP is located on the fixed drive.The system has no
>> keyboard / mouse or vdu, e.i. it is a stand alone system for process
>>
>> control that must maintain a high level of uptime.
>>
>> Problem: Fabrication of the flash units. So far they have been made by
>> using a desktop computer running Win2K and an CF/IDE adapter that is
>> located DIRECTLY in the 2.nd IDE interface on the motherboard.
>>
>>
>> First the CF unit must be set to 'non fixed' by using a DOS utillity
>> program and having the CF/IDE adapter located in the main IDE interface
>> and no HDD connected. System is booted from a floppy disc conatining DOS
>> 6.22. and a batch job calling the utillity program. Okay so the disc is
>> now ready for
>>
>> win XP.
>>
>> When installed in the 2.nd interface (as master) it is possible to make a
>> NTFS partition (primary) of 225MB and another primary NTFS partition of
>>
>> 19 MB. The XP immage can e coppied to the 225 MB partition and will
>> boote. However making 120 pcs in this way is werry time consuming as the
>>
>> computer needs to be closed for each disc.
>>
>>
>> I then got the idea to mount the CF/IDE adapter in an USB disc container
>> (Sandberg). However, when formatting my CF unit I can not select the
>> partition size with the interval of 1MB but in chunks of approx 8MB. When
>> formatted en ready target will not boot on this CF unit. Taking the disc
>> made using the USB interface and place it in the CF/IDE adapter and
>> locate it in the otherboard IDE interface (2.nd) accessing the CF using
>> Partition Magic 8, I now
>>
>> is infomed that the CF has disc symmetry error and is marked as bad.
>>
>> Same thing happens if I use a card reader or place the CF/IDE adapter in
>> an PCI disc controller. It will only work when located on the
>> motherboard.
>>
>> I have tried to use an Addonics CF/IDE adapter useed for mounting on the
>> IDE ribbon cable and get the same problem.
>>
>> What is the problem here, why can I not use the USB IDE to handle my CF
>> units....??
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Lars
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: CF duplication
Posted: 04-24-2006, 06:45 AM
hi, this is how we are currently doing:

1) Create the image with system cloning
2) past all FBA process an make every necessary customization
3) reseal the image
4) create a winpe CD with the master image we just created
5) prepare all CF (set as fixed drive)
6) run the winpe cd once on a target system
7) now we get a 'master' CF
8) Use a system with 2 CF slot (we use IDE to CF adapter) and duplicate
it.(using norton ghost)

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Mark K Vallevand
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Re: CF duplication
Posted: 04-25-2006, 05:01 PM
I wrote a 'clone' program that reads the 'master' CF byte-by-byte and writes
an image file. It reads from the start of the disk to end of the second
partition. The program can also do the opposite: read an image file and
write a 'duplicate' CF byte-by-byte.

Sorry, I can't release the program code. Company policy.

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Mark K Vallevand Mark.Vallevand@Unisys.com

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"zen master" <master.aikwee@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> hi, this is how we are currently doing:
>
> 1) Create the image with system cloning
> 2) past all FBA process an make every necessary customization
> 3) reseal the image
> 4) create a winpe CD with the master image we just created
> 5) prepare all CF (set as fixed drive)
> 6) run the winpe cd once on a target system
> 7) now we get a 'master' CF
> 8) Use a system with 2 CF slot (we use IDE to CF adapter) and duplicate
> it.(using norton ghost)
>

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