Creating partitions on Vista Home

Posted: 12-27-2008, 06:59 PM
Hi,

I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.

I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.


How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
Never created an image too.

Thanks!

Creating partitions on Vista Home


Responses to "Creating partitions on Vista Home"

Rick Rogers
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Re: Creating partitions on Vista Home
Posted: 12-27-2008, 09:15 PM
Hi,

The drive tools in Vista are limited in that a) they cannot shrink a volume
beyond a locked, immovable file and b) the defragmenter cannot move these
either. The solution is to use a third party partitioning utility that
allows you to manipulate volumes from outside of Windows.

As to images, most prefer third party tools designed for this, such as
terabytes' Image for Windows, or Acronis' True Image.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"A for [pine]Apple" <asmamirza@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:08e931fe-8644-43bb-9a5d-a7a9ddf85285@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Hi,
>
> I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
> installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
> 285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.
>
> I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
> of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
> as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
> The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.
>
>
> How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
> creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
> Never created an image too.
>
> Thanks!
A for [pine]Apple
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Re: Creating partitions on Vista Home
Posted: 12-29-2008, 05:36 AM
Thanks Rick!

I'll try these.

On Dec 28, 2:15*am, "Rick Rogers" <r...@mvps.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> The drive tools in Vista are limited in that a) they cannot shrink a volume
> beyond a locked, immovable file and b) the defragmenter cannot move these
> either. The solution is to use a third party partitioning utility that
> allows you to manipulate volumes from outside of Windows.
>
> As to images, most prefer third party tools designed for this, such as
> terabytes' Image for Windows, or Acronis' True Image.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVPhttp://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help -www.rickrogers.org
> My thoughtshttp://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> "A for [pine]Apple" <asmami...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:08e931fe-8644-43bb-9a5d-a7a9ddf85285@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Hi,
>
> > I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
> > installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
> > 285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.
>
> > I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
> > of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
> > as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
> > The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.
>
> > How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
> > creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
> > Never created an image too.
>
> > Thanks!
Mark H
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Re: Creating partitions on Vista Home
Posted: 12-29-2008, 01:29 PM
Or, turn off System Restore functions and reboot to remove the locked files.
Change the partition sizes, then turn System Restore back on.

"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:unYqBhGaJHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> The drive tools in Vista are limited in that a) they cannot shrink a
volume
> beyond a locked, immovable file and b) the defragmenter cannot move these
> either. The solution is to use a third party partitioning utility that
> allows you to manipulate volumes from outside of Windows.
>
> As to images, most prefer third party tools designed for this, such as
> terabytes' Image for Windows, or Acronis' True Image.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> "A for [pine]Apple" <asmamirza@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:08e931fe-8644-43bb-9a5d-a7a9ddf85285@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
> > installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
> > 285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.
> >
> > I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
> > of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
> > as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
> > The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.
> >
> >
> > How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
> > creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
> > Never created an image too.
> >
> > Thanks!
>

Richard Urban
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Re: Creating partitions on Vista Home
Posted: 12-29-2008, 07:04 PM

There are many files, beside the System Volume Information folder that are
locked when the system is in use.

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%23N4bLmbaJHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Or, turn off System Restore functions and reboot to remove the locked
> files.
> Change the partition sizes, then turn System Restore back on.
>
> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:unYqBhGaJHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> The drive tools in Vista are limited in that a) they cannot shrink a
> volume
>> beyond a locked, immovable file and b) the defragmenter cannot move these
>> either. The solution is to use a third party partitioning utility that
>> allows you to manipulate volumes from outside of Windows.
>>
>> As to images, most prefer third party tools designed for this, such as
>> terabytes' Image for Windows, or Acronis' True Image.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> "A for [pine]Apple" <asmamirza@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:08e931fe-8644-43bb-9a5d-a7a9ddf85285@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
>> > installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
>> > 285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.
>> >
>> > I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
>> > of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
>> > as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
>> > The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.
>> >
>> >
>> > How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
>> > creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
>> > Never created an image too.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>>
>
>
Mark H
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Re: Creating partitions on Vista Home
Posted: 12-29-2008, 07:11 PM
Just stating what I did to get my partition down to 45GB from 300GB.
Seems System Restore likes to place it's protected files "out there" if the
space is available.


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23Ie2BheaJHA.5440@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> There are many files, beside the System Volume Information folder that are
> locked when the system is in use.
>
> --
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
>
> "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23N4bLmbaJHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Or, turn off System Restore functions and reboot to remove the locked
> > files.
> > Change the partition sizes, then turn System Restore back on.
> >
> > "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:unYqBhGaJHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> The drive tools in Vista are limited in that a) they cannot shrink a
> > volume
> >> beyond a locked, immovable file and b) the defragmenter cannot move
these
> >> either. The solution is to use a third party partitioning utility that
> >> allows you to manipulate volumes from outside of Windows.
> >>
> >> As to images, most prefer third party tools designed for this, such as
> >> terabytes' Image for Windows, or Acronis' True Image.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best of Luck,
> >>
> >> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> >> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> >> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> >> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
> >>
> >> "A for [pine]Apple" <asmamirza@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
news:08e931fe-8644-43bb-9a5d-a7a9ddf85285@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
> >> > installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
> >> > 285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.
> >> >
> >> > I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
> >> > of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
> >> > as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
> >> > The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
> >> > creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
> >> > Never created an image too.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >>
> >
> >
>

Rick Rogers
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Re: Creating partitions on Vista Home
Posted: 12-30-2008, 01:48 AM
Most times the locked files are part of the MFT, disabling system restore
will not do anything to move them, but it will result in the loss of all
restore points. If something else goes wrong, there will be nothing to
recover to, not a good idea.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%23N4bLmbaJHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Or, turn off System Restore functions and reboot to remove the locked
> files.
> Change the partition sizes, then turn System Restore back on.
>
> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:unYqBhGaJHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> The drive tools in Vista are limited in that a) they cannot shrink a
> volume
>> beyond a locked, immovable file and b) the defragmenter cannot move these
>> either. The solution is to use a third party partitioning utility that
>> allows you to manipulate volumes from outside of Windows.
>>
>> As to images, most prefer third party tools designed for this, such as
>> terabytes' Image for Windows, or Acronis' True Image.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> "A for [pine]Apple" <asmamirza@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:08e931fe-8644-43bb-9a5d-a7a9ddf85285@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
>> > installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
>> > 285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.
>> >
>> > I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
>> > of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
>> > as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
>> > The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.
>> >
>> >
>> > How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
>> > creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
>> > Never created an image too.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>>
>
>
Rick Rogers
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Posts: n/a
 
Re: Creating partitions on Vista Home
Posted: 12-30-2008, 01:48 AM
Most times the locked files are part of the MFT, disabling system restore
will not do anything to move them, but it will result in the loss of all
restore points. If something else goes wrong, there will be nothing to
recover to, not a good idea.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

"Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%23N4bLmbaJHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Or, turn off System Restore functions and reboot to remove the locked
> files.
> Change the partition sizes, then turn System Restore back on.
>
> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:unYqBhGaJHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hi,
>>
>> The drive tools in Vista are limited in that a) they cannot shrink a
> volume
>> beyond a locked, immovable file and b) the defragmenter cannot move these
>> either. The solution is to use a third party partitioning utility that
>> allows you to manipulate volumes from outside of Windows.
>>
>> As to images, most prefer third party tools designed for this, such as
>> terabytes' Image for Windows, or Acronis' True Image.
>>
>> --
>> Best of Luck,
>>
>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>
>> "A for [pine]Apple" <asmamirza@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:08e931fe-8644-43bb-9a5d-a7a9ddf85285@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
>> > installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
>> > 285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.
>> >
>> > I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
>> > of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
>> > as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
>> > The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.
>> >
>> >
>> > How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
>> > creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
>> > Never created an image too.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>>
>
>
Mark H
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Re: Creating partitions on Vista Home
Posted: 12-30-2008, 02:50 AM
If applied to a clean install, it's fine, otherwise, make a backup.
Of course turning off System Restore will remove all restore points.
That's the point... to unlock the area preventing resizing of the partition.
Yes, there are "other" protected locked files, but amazingly they always
seem to be near the mass of other files (probably because they were put
there during installation and not during the creation of restore points.)




"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uoB3nCiaJHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Most times the locked files are part of the MFT, disabling system restore
> will not do anything to move them, but it will result in the loss of all
> restore points. If something else goes wrong, there will be nothing to
> recover to, not a good idea.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23N4bLmbaJHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Or, turn off System Restore functions and reboot to remove the locked
>> files.
>> Change the partition sizes, then turn System Restore back on.
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:unYqBhGaJHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The drive tools in Vista are limited in that a) they cannot shrink a
>> volume
>>> beyond a locked, immovable file and b) the defragmenter cannot move
>>> these
>>> either. The solution is to use a third party partitioning utility that
>>> allows you to manipulate volumes from outside of Windows.
>>>
>>> As to images, most prefer third party tools designed for this, such as
>>> terabytes' Image for Windows, or Acronis' True Image.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best of Luck,
>>>
>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> "A for [pine]Apple" <asmamirza@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:08e931fe-8644-43bb-9a5d-a7a9ddf85285@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
>>> > installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
>>> > 285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.
>>> >
>>> > I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
>>> > of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
>>> > as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
>>> > The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
>>> > creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
>>> > Never created an image too.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>>
>>
>>
>
Mark H
Guest
Posts: n/a
 
Re: Creating partitions on Vista Home
Posted: 12-30-2008, 02:50 AM
If applied to a clean install, it's fine, otherwise, make a backup.
Of course turning off System Restore will remove all restore points.
That's the point... to unlock the area preventing resizing of the partition.
Yes, there are "other" protected locked files, but amazingly they always
seem to be near the mass of other files (probably because they were put
there during installation and not during the creation of restore points.)




"Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uoB3nCiaJHA.5056@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Most times the locked files are part of the MFT, disabling system restore
> will not do anything to move them, but it will result in the loss of all
> restore points. If something else goes wrong, there will be nothing to
> recover to, not a good idea.
>
> --
> Best of Luck,
>
> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>
> "Mark H" <jmhonzell@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:%23N4bLmbaJHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Or, turn off System Restore functions and reboot to remove the locked
>> files.
>> Change the partition sizes, then turn System Restore back on.
>>
>> "Rick Rogers" <rick@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:unYqBhGaJHA.2124@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The drive tools in Vista are limited in that a) they cannot shrink a
>> volume
>>> beyond a locked, immovable file and b) the defragmenter cannot move
>>> these
>>> either. The solution is to use a third party partitioning utility that
>>> allows you to manipulate volumes from outside of Windows.
>>>
>>> As to images, most prefer third party tools designed for this, such as
>>> terabytes' Image for Windows, or Acronis' True Image.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best of Luck,
>>>
>>> Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
>>> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
>>> Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
>>> My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> "A for [pine]Apple" <asmamirza@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:08e931fe-8644-43bb-9a5d-a7a9ddf85285@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I've a 320 GB HDD on my Dell - Inspiron 1525. Vista comes company
>>> > installed and there are only two drives on it. C carrying OS and of
>>> > 285 GB while a recovery drive D of around 20 space.
>>> >
>>> > I want to create 3 more drives on my system. When I shrink the Volume
>>> > of C drive using Storage in Disk management console, I get only 90 GB
>>> > as free available volume for shrinking. How can I get more volume?
>>> > The drive is using 40 GB space at the moment.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > How can I create new drives on my laptop's Hard Disk? And how about
>>> > creating an image of OS? I dont want to do all installations again?
>>> > Never created an image too.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>>
>>
>>
>
 
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