Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?

Posted: 10-11-2007, 07:38 PM
I am buying a new desktop with Vista Premium and it will have 4 gig of
Kingston Memory. My problem is that I know nothing about Vista an would like
to know if they did a better job on the firewall than in XP? I now use Norton
Internet Suite 2008 and Norton Systemworks 2008 in my laptop with XP. Can I
install both Norton products in the desktop with Vista premium and not have
any problems with Windows defender. Also the desktop has AMD Athlon 64 X2
5000. Thanks for the help an time, I just don't want to mess up my new PC.
All have a great an safe day an weekend. Does Microsoft have a web site that
will give me info on what I can add to Vista an what I should not add??

Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?


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Carey Frisch [MVP]
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Re: Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?
Posted: 10-11-2007, 07:45 PM
Norton comes with its own firewall. It will automatically
disable Vista's firewall so you should not have a problems.

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"JJ" <JJ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4B8237A7-579A-4B2C-8391-1E6560B4CB25@microsoft.com...
I am buying a new desktop with Vista Premium and it will have 4 gig of
Kingston Memory. My problem is that I know nothing about Vista an would like
to know if they did a better job on the firewall than in XP? I now use Norton
Internet Suite 2008 and Norton Systemworks 2008 in my laptop with XP. Can I
install both Norton products in the desktop with Vista premium and not have
any problems with Windows defender. Also the desktop has AMD Athlon 64 X2
5000. Thanks for the help an time, I just don't want to mess up my new PC.
All have a great an safe day an weekend. Does Microsoft have a web site that
will give me info on what I can add to Vista an what I should not add??
Kayman
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Re: Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?
Posted: 10-11-2007, 11:29 PM
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:38:04 -0700, JJ wrote:
> I am buying a new desktop with Vista Premium and it will have 4 gig of
> Kingston Memory. My problem is that I know nothing about Vista an would like
> to know if they did a better job on the firewall than in XP?
You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in
itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...uy/cg0905.mspx
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx

Jesper's Blog
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesp...l-is-free.aspx
http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_joha...01/426921.aspx

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tec...l/default.aspx
"If you try to block outbound connections from a computer that’s already
compromised, how can you be sure that the computer is really doing what you
ask? The answer: you can’t. Outbound protection is security theater—it’s a
gimmick that only gives the impression of improving your security without
doing anything that actually does improve your security. This is why
outbound protection didn’t exist in the Windows XP firewall and why it
doesn’t exist in the Windows Vista™ firewall."

Vista Firewall Control
http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/
> I now use Norton Internet Suite 2008 and Norton Systemworks 2008 in my laptop
> with XP.
You're one of the lucky ones The retail version of Norton can play havoc
with the OS. A number of experts agree that the retail AV version of
McAfee, Norton and Trend Micro has become cumbersome and bloated for the
average user.
> Can I install both Norton products in the desktop with Vista premium
> and not have any problems with Windows defender.
You sure can.
> Also the desktop has AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000. Thanks for the help an time, I just
> don't want to mess up my new PC.
A very useful application for any new pc is the PC Decrapifier, it attempts
to remove all of the crap on your PC that you never asked for or ...
http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/
> All have a great an safe day an weekend. Does Microsoft have a web site that
> will give me info on what I can add to Vista an what I should not add??
Google is your friend; Good luck
Bruce Chambers
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Re: Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?
Posted: 10-12-2007, 12:36 AM
JJ wrote:
> I am buying a new desktop with Vista Premium and it will have 4 gig of
> Kingston Memory. My problem is that I know nothing about Vista an would like
> to know if they did a better job on the firewall than in XP?

Yes, they did. It's not quite up to the ease-of-use standards of Kerio
or ZoneAlarm, but it has been improved.

There are two interfaces for Vistas built-in firewall:

1) A simplified one accessed through the Control Panel that is the only
one most people see. Sphinx's Vista Firewall Control
http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/) is a piece of freeware that makes the
Vista Firewall much more useful to the average user.

2) And the more advanced "Windows Firewall with Advanced Security
(WF.msc), accessed via the Start Menu's Administrative Tools folder, for
the experienced user who wants more granular control.

> I now use Norton
> Internet Suite 2008 and Norton Systemworks 2008 in my laptop with XP. Can I
> install both Norton products in the desktop with Vista premium and not have
> any problems with Windows defender.

I wouldn't count on installing any Norton product on any OS and not
having problems. However, check with Symantec to determine if those
products are safe to use on Vista. In particular, SystemWorks is pretty
much worthless. Once a useful utility suite, back in the days of
MS-DOS, when Peter Norton was more than a picture on the box, Norton
Utilities (now marketed as SystemWorks) have been becoming increasingly
useless and redundant over the years. There's little offered by NU/SW
that Vista cannot already do natively. And some of its features, like
CrashGuard and CleanSweep (if they're still included) cause far more
problems then they prevent.





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Rob Harmer
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Re: Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?
Posted: 10-12-2007, 12:02 PM
Don't forget that Vista is also sending a hell of a lot more telemetry data
out when it phones home as well!
see what else Vista is harvesting off your PC
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forge...ft-58752.shtml

Don't forget to check out the vulnerabilities with Teredo IPv6 as well
see
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/...oncerns-00.txt
and http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/ref...o_Security.pdf
and http://www.securiteam.com/securityre...C00O2KHFK.html and
http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/s...s_vista_n.html

Rob

"Kayman" <kayman~nospam~@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:1xy3bkn8qqgfe$.1vh7bryblj66c$.dlg@40tude.net. ..
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:38:04 -0700, JJ wrote:
>
>> I am buying a new desktop with Vista Premium and it will have 4 gig of
>> Kingston Memory. My problem is that I know nothing about Vista an would
>> like
>> to know if they did a better job on the firewall than in XP?
>
> You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in
> itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/com...uy/cg0905.mspx
> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/WFP.mspx
>
> Jesper's Blog
> http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesp...l-is-free.aspx
> http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_joha...01/426921.aspx
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tec...l/default.aspx
> "If you try to block outbound connections from a computer that’s already
> compromised, how can you be sure that the computer is really doing what
> you
> ask? The answer: you can’t. Outbound protection is security theater—it’s a
> gimmick that only gives the impression of improving your security without
> doing anything that actually does improve your security. This is why
> outbound protection didn’t exist in the Windows XP firewall and why it
> doesn’t exist in the Windows Vista™ firewall."
>
> Vista Firewall Control
> http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/
>
>> I now use Norton Internet Suite 2008 and Norton Systemworks 2008 in my
>> laptop
>> with XP.
>
> You're one of the lucky ones The retail version of Norton can play
> havoc
> with the OS. A number of experts agree that the retail AV version of
> McAfee, Norton and Trend Micro has become cumbersome and bloated for the
> average user.
>
>> Can I install both Norton products in the desktop with Vista premium
>> and not have any problems with Windows defender.
>
> You sure can.
>
>> Also the desktop has AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000. Thanks for the help an time,
>> I just
>> don't want to mess up my new PC.
>
> A very useful application for any new pc is the PC Decrapifier, it
> attempts
> to remove all of the crap on your PC that you never asked for or ...
> http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/
>
>> All have a great an safe day an weekend. Does Microsoft have a web site
>> that
>> will give me info on what I can add to Vista an what I should not add??
>
> Google is your friend; Good luck
NetLink_Blue
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Re: Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?
Posted: 10-14-2007, 02:42 PM

"Kayman" <kayman~nospam~@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:1xy3bkn8qqgfe$.1vh7bryblj66c$.dlg@40tude.net. ..
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tec...l/default.aspx
> "If you try to block outbound connections from a computer that’s already
> compromised, how can you be sure that the computer is really doing what
> you
> ask? The answer: you can’t.
LOL - what beautiful Homer Simpson logic! Umm ... doughnuts.

Building and enabling a 2-way firewall as part of Windows would make a
support-hairball for Microsoft the likes of which hasn't been seen on Earth
yet.

Windows Geniune Advantage would be exposed - nekked to the world,
continually asking to phone-home. Folks would realize that everytime they
do a file search on their computers, Microsoft is listening in. The exposed
collection of "helpful" Windows OS calls to Redmond would make a lot of
folks start acting like Steve Ballmer. Now THAT is scarey. :~P

> Outbound protection is security theater—it’s a
> gimmick that only gives the impression of improving your security without
> doing anything that actually does improve your security. This is why
> outbound protection didn’t exist in the Windows XP firewall and why it
> doesn’t exist in the Windows Vista™ firewall."
Someone, please SLAP Homer Simpson for the above baloney. Thanks.

netlink

Straight Talk
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Re: Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?
Posted: 10-14-2007, 03:14 PM
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:42:31 -0700, "NetLink_Blue"
<PcjTv@cooltoad.com> wrote:
>Building and enabling a 2-way firewall as part of Windows would make a
>support-hairball for Microsoft the likes of which hasn't been seen on Earth
>yet.
Maybe. But not for the reasons you assume.
>Windows Geniune Advantage would be exposed - nekked to the world,
>continually asking to phone-home. Folks would realize that everytime they
>do a file search on their computers, Microsoft is listening in. The exposed
>collection of "helpful" Windows OS calls to Redmond would make a lot of
>folks start acting like Steve Ballmer. Now THAT is scarey. :~P
Not at all. See, MS is in charge of the OS kernel. If they want to
phone home without ANY software firewall noticing it, they can just do
so.

If you don't trust MS you have no choice but to not run windows. It's
that simple.
>> Outbound protection is security theaterits a
>> gimmick that only gives the impression of improving your security without
>> doing anything that actually does improve your security. This is why
>> outbound protection didnt exist in the Windows XP firewall and why it
>> doesnt exist in the Windows Vista firewall."
>
>Someone, please SLAP Homer Simpson for the above baloney. Thanks.
Someone please educate yourself about the windows platform design to
understand why outbound protection *is* security theater.
NetLink_Blue
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Re: Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?
Posted: 10-14-2007, 04:10 PM

"Straight Talk" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:42:31 -0700, "NetLink_Blue"
> <PcjTv@cooltoad.com> wrote:
>
>>Building and enabling a 2-way firewall as part of Windows would make a
>>support-hairball for Microsoft the likes of which hasn't been seen on
>>Earth
>>yet.
>
> Maybe. But not for the reasons you assume.
I'm listening, Straight Talk. Give me some of your reasons.

>>Windows Geniune Advantage would be exposed - nekked to the world,
>>continually asking to phone-home. Folks would realize that everytime they
>>do a file search on their computers, Microsoft is listening in. The
>>exposed
>>collection of "helpful" Windows OS calls to Redmond would make a lot of
>>folks start acting like Steve Ballmer. Now THAT is scarey. :~P
>
> Not at all. See, MS is in charge of the OS kernel. If they want to
> phone home without ANY software firewall noticing it, they can just do
> so.
Are you confirming that MS is doing this? Maybe that recent "stealth"
update on Windows OS update files themselves?

> If you don't trust MS you have no choice but to not run windows. It's
> that simple.
More bee-autiful Homer Simpson logic. What OS would you recommend, Homer?
How about MS customers continueing keeping an eye on MS, and being careful.
That's not an option for you? Fine. It's an option for me, Straight Talk.


netlink

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Re: Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?
Posted: 10-15-2007, 05:38 AM
On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:10:11 -0700, "NetLink_Blue"
<PcjTv@cooltoad.com> wrote:
>
>"Straight Talk" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:m3c4h3tcjbdncmjartabla33i7d5aqo48n@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 07:42:31 -0700, "NetLink_Blue"
>> <PcjTv@cooltoad.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Building and enabling a 2-way firewall as part of Windows would make a
>>>support-hairball for Microsoft the likes of which hasn't been seen on
>>>Earth
>>>yet.
>>
>> Maybe. But not for the reasons you assume.
>
>I'm listening, Straight Talk. Give me some of your reasons.
>
>
>>>Windows Geniune Advantage would be exposed - nekked to the world,
>>>continually asking to phone-home. Folks would realize that everytime they
>>>do a file search on their computers, Microsoft is listening in. The
>>>exposed
>>>collection of "helpful" Windows OS calls to Redmond would make a lot of
>>>folks start acting like Steve Ballmer. Now THAT is scarey. :~P
>>
>> Not at all. See, MS is in charge of the OS kernel. If they want to
>> phone home without ANY software firewall noticing it, they can just do
>> so.
>
>Are you confirming that MS is doing this?
No. I'm saying they can easily do so if they want to. Also without any
personal firewall illusionware noticing it.
>Maybe that recent "stealth" update on Windows OS update files themselves?
>
>
>> If you don't trust MS you have no choice but to not run windows. It's
>> that simple.
>
>More bee-autiful Homer Simpson logic.
Get out of your cartoon world and into the real one.
>What OS would you recommend, Homer?
I'm not Homer.
>How about MS customers continueing keeping an eye on MS, and being careful.
>That's not an option for you? Fine. It's an option for me, Straight Talk.
I'm not the one complaining here, am I? I have no problem using MS
products. Thing is, your idea of being in control is flawed.
NetLink_Blue
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Re: Did Microsoft Make a two way firewall with Vista Home Premium?
Posted: 10-15-2007, 08:43 PM

"Straight Talk" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:10:11 -0700, "NetLink_Blue"
> I'm not the one complaining here, am I?
Neither am I.
> I have no problem using MS
> products.
So you're out-of-place on this forum. Take a hike, Homer.
> Thing is, your idea of being in control is flawed.
Nobody's perfect. Get over it.

NetLink_Blue

 
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