DON'T DISABLE the UAC and be happy to use a Standard Account

They would be the exception and certainly not the rule.. :-)


"Gerry Hickman" <gerry666uk@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
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> mik wrote:

>> DON'T DISABLE the UAC and be happy to use Windows as a Standard Account.

>
> But if they ran as users in the first place, they would not need UAC.
>
> It would not surprise me if we see all those "Windows Annoyance" sites
> springing up everywhere and the first question on the FAQ list will be
> "How do I turn off the annoying UAC".
>
> The other aspect to it, that no one seems to have grasped yet, is that
> ordinary users will get so used to clicking "OK" that they will just click
> "OK", regardless of whether it's OK or not! I've seen this happen in my
> workplace with the other idiotic Microsoft dialog where it says "Some
> files can harm your computer...". Has an ordinary user EVER taken any
> notice of that dialog?
>
> --
> Gerry Hickman (London UK)

That brings up an interesting point: What happens when someone uses a
Standard account (which may or may not be the default in some editions of
Vista: I haven't seen definitive word on that yet) AND they disable UAC,
thereby never seeing the elevation prompts.

What happens? Do things that need admin privileges just silently not
work/fail? If so, I don't think that's a great idea.

"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> They would be the exception and certainly not the rule.. :-)
>
>
> "Gerry Hickman" <gerry666uk@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
> news:uG6GvpJDHHA.3536@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> mik wrote:

>>> DON'T DISABLE the UAC and be happy to use Windows as a Standard Account.

>>
>> But if they ran as users in the first place, they would not need UAC.
>>
>> It would not surprise me if we see all those "Windows Annoyance" sites
>> springing up everywhere and the first question on the FAQ list will be
>> "How do I turn off the annoying UAC".
>>
>> The other aspect to it, that no one seems to have grasped yet, is that
>> ordinary users will get so used to clicking "OK" that they will just
>> click "OK", regardless of whether it's OK or not! I've seen this happen
>> in my workplace with the other idiotic Microsoft dialog where it says
>> "Some files can harm your computer...". Has an ordinary user EVER taken
>> any notice of that dialog?
>>
>> --
>> Gerry Hickman (London UK)

>

<snip>

> What happens when someone uses a Standard account (which may or may not be
> the default in some editions of Vista: I haven't seen definitive word on
> that yet) AND they disable UAC, thereby never seeing the elevation
> prompts.
>
> What happens? Do things that need admin privileges just silently not
> work/fail?

Correct, it reverts back to Windows XP behavior, which is to fail.


--
- JB

Windows Vista Support Faq
http://www.jimmah.com/vista/

Hi Jimmy,

>
> Correct, it reverts back to Windows XP behavior, which is to fail.
>

In my view, this is very good news!

--
Gerry Hickman (London UK)

DONT put a useless annoying "feature" that nobody wants into a modern OS. I
understand the need to be different but the defacto standard in comparable
systems is to prompt for credentials and then remember the credentials, not
to annoy a user everytime he wants to do any "admin" task.

I sincerely hope this annyoying feature will be replaced in SP1 to become a
standard login dialog asking for elevated credentials.

The current UAC is useless since everyone will learn "if you don't click ok
nothing happens", they wont even read the dialog.

KL.


"mik" <mik@discussions.microsoft.com> skrev i meddelandet
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> DON'T DISABLE the UAC and be happy to use Windows as a Standard Account.
>

Hi KL,

> I sincerely hope this annyoying feature will be replaced in SP1 to become a
> standard login dialog asking for elevated credentials.

That would certainly be 500 times better than what we have right now.

--
Gerry Hickman (London UK)

"Gerry Hickman" <gerry666uk@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
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> Hi KL,
>

>> I sincerely hope this annyoying feature will be replaced in SP1 to become
>> a standard login dialog asking for elevated credentials.

Create a second administrator account, change your account type to standard
user and you will be prompted for credentials rather then just a "Continue"
button.

In Vista there is nothing you can perform as administrator that you cannot
also perform as a standard user (after entering administrative credentials),
if the application does not prompt for credentials due to a vista
compatiblity issue it will it will not work when logged in as administrator
either (because administrators are standard users until you press continue)
both scenarios requires application to be marked as requires admin so you
shouldn't be loosing out on anything by using a standard user.

At least thats my hope anyways, I have found some applications will prompt
for continue immediately when run from an admin account but do not prompt
imediatly when run from a standard user account and require you to right
click and run as administrator. Administrative Tools->Computer management
is one of these I've found. Its kinda interesting because it can run as as
standard user where you are allowed to view information but must run as
administrator to create a user or whatever but when logged in as
administrator you are prompted when clicking on computer management and if
you do not click continue the program does not run even with standard user
permissions.


- Kurt

>
> That would certainly be 500 times better than what we have right now.
>
> --
> Gerry Hickman (London UK)