for free, this is exactly what I expect from Microsoft.

If you download the ISO from IE it will also not always download properly...
Did your download actually end up with a 3.2gig file or a very small one? If
you got a very small file try using Firefox to download it (the download
manager in FF gets the file correctly).

"Fstcarr" wrote:

> After 3 downloads, still nothing in the ISO except a 24 k .TXT file. Any
> Explanations for this. Surely I'm not expected to load 3.2 gig of blank
> space. Surely I should be able to see the files in the .ISO. If not (should
> they be hidden in some manner) Please fire whom ever had the idea of hiding
> the files until they reach a DVD. No, I have not sent the .ISO to a dvd. WHY?
> It's empty! I'm a professional, I do not do things without predictable
> results, do you?
> I would be disappointed in this, but truefully, for free, this is exactly
> what I expect from Microsoft. Who at MS is in charge of beta testers? Why
> have I heard nothing in 5 years. Totally unacceptable, unusable, as usuall.
>
>
> Fstcarr, not so fast any more

You need to learn more about a subject before
you make stupid statements. The is NOTHING
HIDDEN in a .ISO file!!!!

A .ISO is an image of a CD or DVD. It has all
the information you see on a CD or DVD when you
insert it into your optical drive. When you
download a .ISO it is an exact image of the
original CD or DVD. The process to get it on
one of you discs is to "Burn Image to Disc" to
ensure you have exactly the same information as
the original. If the file becomes corrupted
during download or burning to disc, this is not
the fault of the originator.

And, yes. If the original file is 3.2GB then
you MUST download the entire file to make a
comprehensible image at you end of the line!

I have been downloading .ISO files for around 10
years now and the process has not changed in
that time. You just have to learn what you're
talking about and trying to do!


Fstcarr wrote:

> After 3 downloads, still nothing in the ISO except a 24 k .TXT file. Any
> Explanations for this. Surely I'm not expected to load 3.2 gig of blank
> space. Surely I should be able to see the files in the .ISO. If not (should
> they be hidden in some manner) Please fire whom ever had the idea of hiding
> the files until they reach a DVD. No, I have not sent the .ISO to a dvd. WHY?
> It's empty! I'm a professional, I do not do things without predictable
> results, do you?
> I would be disappointed in this, but truefully, for free, this is exactly
> what I expect from Microsoft. Who at MS is in charge of beta testers? Why
> have I heard nothing in 5 years. Totally unacceptable, unusable, as usuall.
>
>
> Fstcarr, not so fast any more

CD and DVD images

Scott Mendham, PC World

21/07/2004 15:29:24

If you have ever lost a valuable CD or DVD
because of a scratch or general wear and tear,
you’ll know the importance of creating a backup
copy. Depending on the type of content you are
backing up, there is a way to both back up your
discs and gain quicker access to your disc
collection without having to juggle CDs or DVDs
in and out of your drive. The technique is known
as imaging, but more frequently it is called
‘creating an ISO’.

An image is an exact copy of data stored on
media — floppy images have been around for
years, and hard drive images play an important
role in backing up entire operating systems. Few
people know it, but CDs and DVDs can also be imaged.

What’s the point?

Before heading off and creating ISOs, there is a
question that needs to be answered — why make an
image of a CD or DVD when all you need to do is
copy or even zip the contents of the disc? The
short response is that, in many cases, you don’t
need to create an image at all. A CD full of
photographs will hardly benefit from being
turned into an image. However, there are a few
instances when creating an image will save time
and minimise the chances of files being lost or
corrupted. The most common is backing up
software installation or game discs.

If you have ever delved into the contents of an
installation CD, you may have found it was chock
full of files scattered across a hundred buried
directories. In most cases, if you start moving
the files or leaving out folders because you
think they serve no purpose, there is a good
chance the installation will stop working. These
kind of unintentional alterations can’t be made
on a CD-R, but it is surprisingly simple to do
if you copy thousands of files to your hard
drive (or zip them without maintaining the
directory structure).

An ISO ‘locks’ the content, meaning you can’t
easily change the files within it. Unless you
have a specialised ISO editing program, the way
to change an ISO is to burn the image to CD (or
load it to a virtual drive — more on that
later), copy the files back to a hard drive to
make changes, and finally create a new ISO. This
is hardly a process that will happen by accident.

Once you have an ISO, it can be backed up or
sent to other users (very popular with Linux
distributions). Depending on their sizes, you
can back up multiple ISOs onto a single CD or DVD.

There is also the issue of file management. An
ISO is a single file. If you have copied 20 CDs
onto your drive and each contains over 1000
files, this adds over 20,000 files to your hard
drive. With the increased load of files, your
searches, system-wide antivirus scans and
defragmentation will all be slower compared to
having just 20 ISO files.

Virtual drives

A virtual drive acts like a CD drive, except
that files are loaded from your hard drive.
Specifically, they load an ISO image and let you
access the contents just as if you had inserted
a CD. This speeds up access to the files because
hard drives are much faster than CD drives, and
you don’t have to swap discs and wait for the CD
to spin up/spin down. Click here to see a screen
shot.

There is a chance you already have a virtual
drive program: Nero includes a frequently
overlooked virtual drive called Nero ImageDrive.
A free alternative is IsoBuster (see the cover
CD for a free copy). This utility works a little
differently — it loads the image, but doesn’t
assign a drive letter.

What type of CDs or DVDs can’t you image?

It may seem obvious, but the whole idea of copy
protection for CDs and DVDs is to stop people
copying them. If the CD or DVD has copy
protection, it is unlikely that the ISO will
function correctly. When the ISO is opened, the
program usually will ask for the original CD to
be inserted into the drive or will give an
obscure error message.

Unfortunately, it is not always obvious that a
disc has copy protection. The two most
frequently protected file types are commercial
DVD movies and game discs. Both systems can be
defeated and many Internet sites are dedicated
to these topics. The most famous is DeCSS, the
tiny program that breaks the encryption
techniques designed to stop duplication of DVDs
(for more information, search Google for
‘DeCSS’). Next month we’ll look at ways to
create ISOs and convert between the various
formats. In the meantime, have a look at the
free versions of IsoBuster and Burn4Free on the
cover CD.

THE STANDARD THAT IS NOT STANDARD

As noted in the introduction, many people refer
to CD and DVD images as ‘ISOs’. In a wider
context, anything associated with an ISO
normally means it conforms to a well-defined
standard that everyone follows. Unfortunately
for CDs and DVDs, this term has been
bastardised, with the result that not all ISOs
are the same. ‘ISO’ images come in wide
varieties such as ISO, BIN/CUE, NRG and CIF.
This can create headaches because of
compatibility issues between different programs.
For example, Nero 6 can burn NRG, ISO or BIN/CUE
files, but Easy CD Creator 6 is limited to CIF
and ISO. Even having the ‘ISO’ extension won’t
clearly tell you the type of file structure the
image contains.

Fstcarr wrote:

> After 3 downloads, still nothing in the ISO except a 24 k .TXT file. Any
> Explanations for this. Surely I'm not expected to load 3.2 gig of blank
> space. Surely I should be able to see the files in the .ISO. If not (should
> they be hidden in some manner) Please fire whom ever had the idea of hiding
> the files until they reach a DVD. No, I have not sent the .ISO to a dvd. WHY?
> It's empty! I'm a professional, I do not do things without predictable
> results, do you?
> I would be disappointed in this, but truefully, for free, this is exactly
> what I expect from Microsoft. Who at MS is in charge of beta testers? Why
> have I heard nothing in 5 years. Totally unacceptable, unusable, as usuall.
>
>
> Fstcarr, not so fast any more

Working with ISO files

Scott Mendham, PC World

15/09/2004 08:05:36

We have previously introduced ISOs in the
tutorial CD and DVD images; this month, we focus
on creating an ISO. There are two basic
approaches to creating an ISO, but bear in mind
that you can't create functional ISOs from
copy-protected discs such as commercial movie
DVDs. You can build one from files on your hard
drive, or you can convert an existing CD/DVD to
an ISO file. The techniques will vary between
programs and, unfortunately, many leading
packages make the process unnecessarily complex.

Creating an ISO from a disc

The simplest tool for creating an ISO from an
existing CD or DVD also has the advantage of
being completely free. It's called ISO Recorder.

To create your ISO, simply whack in your disc,
right-click on the drive and choose 'Copy CD to
image file'. Type in a file name for your ISO
and click Next. A couple of minutes later, your
image will be ready. The only drawback is that
the program runs solely on Windows XP.

Building an ISO

The process for constructing your own ISO is
much the same as producing a normal CD. Where it
differs is that, instead of burning to disc, you
pick another option, such as 'Create Disc Image'
or similar. Also, if you want to make the CD/DVD
bootable, most programs will require you to
select the bootable option in your program,
rather than the normal data CD/DVD.

Easy CD Creator

The process for creating an ISO should be a
straightforward task, but expect some confusion
with Easy CD Creator. To make an ISO of an
existing disc, start a new project, insert the
disc into your drive and use the explorer
section to navigate to its location. Drag the
contents of the disc to the project area. If the
CD you're imaging hasn't been finalised, you'll
be asked if you want to add the data or import a
session. This question is a red herring, so
click No. If you have the import session option
turned on by default, go to Tools-Options and
uncheck the box next to 'Do not warn me before
automatically importing a session'. To create
the ISO, select Tools-Create Disc Image. Type in
a file name and click Save.

Nero
Nero is a little better than Easy CD Creator for
generating ISOs from existing discs, but still
has its own peculiarities. Drag the contents of
your disc into the project area (or copy the
files from your hard drive if you're building an
ISO from existing files). To create your ISO, go
to the menu and select Recorder-Choose Recorder.
Click Image Recorder. Nero's logic is that
you're recording a CD, except it's to a file
instead of a disc.

Next, follow the normal burn process. When you
click on Write, you'll be prompted for a file
name. Nero tries to create its own NRG files,
but for better compatibility with other
programs, choose ISO. It's a mystery why Nero
and Easy CD Creator don't have a simple button
called 'Save ISO', when Burn4Free can manage
this simple feature.

Burning an ISO back to a disc

Converting an ISO back to a normal CD or DVD is
easy. Start your CD burning package and select
File-Burn Image (Nero) or File-Record Disc from
Image (Easy CD Creator). Another option is to
use Burn4Free by clicking the no-nonsense Burn
ISO button.

However, as I mentioned last month, all ISOs are
not the same. There may be times when you need
to convert ISOs between various formats to make
an image compatible with your burner software or
virtual CD drive. For this task, grab a copy of
CD Image Converter. The cross conversion option
shows just how many different flavours of ISOs
are available (see here). The only problem with
the software is that you need to know the
structure of the ISO, which is a task more
suited for propellerheads. The readme file
included in the installation package offers some
guidance but, if you're still unsure and Google
can't help, you may be stuck with trying them
all until a format works.

Opening and editing the contents of an ISO

Few people know it, but some zipping tools can
open the contents of certain ISO and disc image
files. One example is WinRAR (shareware, $US29)
- it lets you extract files from an ISO, but you
can't edit/delete the ISO's contents. A free
alternative is Nathan Moinvaziri's ExtractNow,
which supports ISO, IMG and BIN files (plus less
common zip formats such as RAR and LZH).
Whichever program you choose, this feature is
handy if you want to extract a file without
mounting a virtual CD drive or burning the ISO
back to a CD or DVD.



Fstcarr wrote:

> After 3 downloads, still nothing in the ISO except a 24 k .TXT file. Any
> Explanations for this. Surely I'm not expected to load 3.2 gig of blank
> space. Surely I should be able to see the files in the .ISO. If not (should
> they be hidden in some manner) Please fire whom ever had the idea of hiding
> the files until they reach a DVD. No, I have not sent the .ISO to a dvd. WHY?
> It's empty! I'm a professional, I do not do things without predictable
> results, do you?
> I would be disappointed in this, but truefully, for free, this is exactly
> what I expect from Microsoft. Who at MS is in charge of beta testers? Why
> have I heard nothing in 5 years. Totally unacceptable, unusable, as usuall.
>
>
> Fstcarr, not so fast any more

I have 3 ISO busters, one from the beta copy of XP (included by Microsoft
when it came out), one in WLite and one in Nero, all 3 tell me the file size
is correct yet I see no files in any view. Until I do, I will not be burning
it to DVD or anything else, I know a waste of time when I see it. Or in this
case, Don't see it.
If I have to get another application, to do what 3 applications cannot do
"now" but have done for me in the past, then I say again "for free, this is
exactly what I expect from MS".
Riddle me this, why would MS change what they sent in XP, the latest and
greatest according to them, or better yet, why choose any format like UDF,
ISO, the choice should be mine, or at the least, should be left up to the
TESTER or admin, not MS. Who now thrust this upon us for no good reason
except to be "clever".
Closing note, I made my own ISO starting with integration of service pack
four in Win2000, I believe strongly, based on experience, and feedback from
hundreds of customers, I know what I'm Doing. Proof is easy, I open an ISO I
made, or even the ISO of XP Beta and there are the files. I open any of the
completed 3 downloads, I see one text file in each of three downloads. The
obvious conclusion is the ISO file is empty.
Thank you

Now, just to prove how insain this is, I'm going back to my Nero and install
UDF and a 4 gig hard drive into one of my "Downstream" systems, Map the drive
to my server, then I will format the drive UDF ( the drive will then appear
as a CDRom) and explode the ISO on the media. There will be no data. Just one
Text file telling me I need UDF formated media. Conclusion, Order the DVD or
do without.


--
--
Fstcarr, not so fast any more


"Rick" wrote:

> Working with ISO files
>
> Scott Mendham, PC World
>
> 15/09/2004 08:05:36
>
> We have previously introduced ISOs in the
> tutorial CD and DVD images; this month, we focus
> on creating an ISO. There are two basic
> approaches to creating an ISO, but bear in mind
> that you can't create functional ISOs from
> copy-protected discs such as commercial movie
> DVDs. You can build one from files on your hard
> drive, or you can convert an existing CD/DVD to
> an ISO file. The techniques will vary between
> programs and, unfortunately, many leading
> packages make the process unnecessarily complex.
>
> Creating an ISO from a disc
>
> The simplest tool for creating an ISO from an
> existing CD or DVD also has the advantage of
> being completely free. It's called ISO Recorder.
>
> To create your ISO, simply whack in your disc,
> right-click on the drive and choose 'Copy CD to
> image file'. Type in a file name for your ISO
> and click Next. A couple of minutes later, your
> image will be ready. The only drawback is that
> the program runs solely on Windows XP.
>
> Building an ISO
>
> The process for constructing your own ISO is
> much the same as producing a normal CD. Where it
> differs is that, instead of burning to disc, you
> pick another option, such as 'Create Disc Image'
> or similar. Also, if you want to make the CD/DVD
> bootable, most programs will require you to
> select the bootable option in your program,
> rather than the normal data CD/DVD.
>
> Easy CD Creator
>
> The process for creating an ISO should be a
> straightforward task, but expect some confusion
> with Easy CD Creator. To make an ISO of an
> existing disc, start a new project, insert the
> disc into your drive and use the explorer
> section to navigate to its location. Drag the
> contents of the disc to the project area. If the
> CD you're imaging hasn't been finalised, you'll
> be asked if you want to add the data or import a
> session. This question is a red herring, so
> click No. If you have the import session option
> turned on by default, go to Tools-Options and
> uncheck the box next to 'Do not warn me before
> automatically importing a session'. To create
> the ISO, select Tools-Create Disc Image. Type in
> a file name and click Save.
>
> Nero
> Nero is a little better than Easy CD Creator for
> generating ISOs from existing discs, but still
> has its own peculiarities. Drag the contents of
> your disc into the project area (or copy the
> files from your hard drive if you're building an
> ISO from existing files). To create your ISO, go
> to the menu and select Recorder-Choose Recorder.
> Click Image Recorder. Nero's logic is that
> you're recording a CD, except it's to a file
> instead of a disc.
>
> Next, follow the normal burn process. When you
> click on Write, you'll be prompted for a file
> name. Nero tries to create its own NRG files,
> but for better compatibility with other
> programs, choose ISO. It's a mystery why Nero
> and Easy CD Creator don't have a simple button
> called 'Save ISO', when Burn4Free can manage
> this simple feature.
>
> Burning an ISO back to a disc
>
> Converting an ISO back to a normal CD or DVD is
> easy. Start your CD burning package and select
> File-Burn Image (Nero) or File-Record Disc from
> Image (Easy CD Creator). Another option is to
> use Burn4Free by clicking the no-nonsense Burn
> ISO button.
>
> However, as I mentioned last month, all ISOs are
> not the same. There may be times when you need
> to convert ISOs between various formats to make
> an image compatible with your burner software or
> virtual CD drive. For this task, grab a copy of
> CD Image Converter. The cross conversion option
> shows just how many different flavours of ISOs
> are available (see here). The only problem with
> the software is that you need to know the
> structure of the ISO, which is a task more
> suited for propellerheads. The readme file
> included in the installation package offers some
> guidance but, if you're still unsure and Google
> can't help, you may be stuck with trying them
> all until a format works.
>
> Opening and editing the contents of an ISO
>
> Few people know it, but some zipping tools can
> open the contents of certain ISO and disc image
> files. One example is WinRAR (shareware, $US29)
> - it lets you extract files from an ISO, but you
> can't edit/delete the ISO's contents. A free
> alternative is Nathan Moinvaziri's ExtractNow,
> which supports ISO, IMG and BIN files (plus less
> common zip formats such as RAR and LZH).
> Whichever program you choose, this feature is
> handy if you want to extract a file without
> mounting a virtual CD drive or burning the ISO
> back to a CD or DVD.
>
>
>
> Fstcarr wrote:

> > After 3 downloads, still nothing in the ISO except a 24 k .TXT file. Any
> > Explanations for this. Surely I'm not expected to load 3.2 gig of blank
> > space. Surely I should be able to see the files in the .ISO. If not (should
> > they be hidden in some manner) Please fire whom ever had the idea of hiding
> > the files until they reach a DVD. No, I have not sent the .ISO to a dvd. WHY?
> > It's empty! I'm a professional, I do not do things without predictable
> > results, do you?
> > I would be disappointed in this, but truefully, for free, this is exactly
> > what I expect from Microsoft. Who at MS is in charge of beta testers? Why
> > have I heard nothing in 5 years. Totally unacceptable, unusable, as usuall.
> >
> >
> > Fstcarr, not so fast any more

>

Good lord, stop being obstinate and burn the damn dvd.

"Fstcarr" <Fstcarr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5C591CA2-B3FD-4766-91D2-27554A348C0B@microsoft.com...

>I have 3 ISO busters, one from the beta copy of XP (included by Microsoft
> when it came out), one in WLite and one in Nero, all 3 tell me the file
> size
> is correct yet I see no files in any view. Until I do, I will not be
> burning
> it to DVD or anything else, I know a waste of time when I see it. Or in
> this
> case, Don't see it.
> If I have to get another application, to do what 3 applications cannot do
> "now" but have done for me in the past, then I say again "for free, this
> is
> exactly what I expect from MS".
> Riddle me this, why would MS change what they sent in XP, the latest and
> greatest according to them, or better yet, why choose any format like UDF,
> ISO, the choice should be mine, or at the least, should be left up to the
> TESTER or admin, not MS. Who now thrust this upon us for no good reason
> except to be "clever".
> Closing note, I made my own ISO starting with integration of service pack
> four in Win2000, I believe strongly, based on experience, and feedback
> from
> hundreds of customers, I know what I'm Doing. Proof is easy, I open an ISO
> I
> made, or even the ISO of XP Beta and there are the files. I open any of
> the
> completed 3 downloads, I see one text file in each of three downloads. The
> obvious conclusion is the ISO file is empty.
> Thank you
>
> Now, just to prove how insain this is, I'm going back to my Nero and
> install
> UDF and a 4 gig hard drive into one of my "Downstream" systems, Map the
> drive
> to my server, then I will format the drive UDF ( the drive will then
> appear
> as a CDRom) and explode the ISO on the media. There will be no data. Just
> one
> Text file telling me I need UDF formated media. Conclusion, Order the DVD
> or
> do without.
>
>
> --
> --
> Fstcarr, not so fast any more
>
>
> "Rick" wrote:
>

>> Working with ISO files
>>
>> Scott Mendham, PC World
>>
>> 15/09/2004 08:05:36
>>
>> We have previously introduced ISOs in the
>> tutorial CD and DVD images; this month, we focus
>> on creating an ISO. There are two basic
>> approaches to creating an ISO, but bear in mind
>> that you can't create functional ISOs from
>> copy-protected discs such as commercial movie
>> DVDs. You can build one from files on your hard
>> drive, or you can convert an existing CD/DVD to
>> an ISO file. The techniques will vary between
>> programs and, unfortunately, many leading
>> packages make the process unnecessarily complex.
>>
>> Creating an ISO from a disc
>>
>> The simplest tool for creating an ISO from an
>> existing CD or DVD also has the advantage of
>> being completely free. It's called ISO Recorder.
>>
>> To create your ISO, simply whack in your disc,
>> right-click on the drive and choose 'Copy CD to
>> image file'. Type in a file name for your ISO
>> and click Next. A couple of minutes later, your
>> image will be ready. The only drawback is that
>> the program runs solely on Windows XP.
>>
>> Building an ISO
>>
>> The process for constructing your own ISO is
>> much the same as producing a normal CD. Where it
>> differs is that, instead of burning to disc, you
>> pick another option, such as 'Create Disc Image'
>> or similar. Also, if you want to make the CD/DVD
>> bootable, most programs will require you to
>> select the bootable option in your program,
>> rather than the normal data CD/DVD.
>>
>> Easy CD Creator
>>
>> The process for creating an ISO should be a
>> straightforward task, but expect some confusion
>> with Easy CD Creator. To make an ISO of an
>> existing disc, start a new project, insert the
>> disc into your drive and use the explorer
>> section to navigate to its location. Drag the
>> contents of the disc to the project area. If the
>> CD you're imaging hasn't been finalised, you'll
>> be asked if you want to add the data or import a
>> session. This question is a red herring, so
>> click No. If you have the import session option
>> turned on by default, go to Tools-Options and
>> uncheck the box next to 'Do not warn me before
>> automatically importing a session'. To create
>> the ISO, select Tools-Create Disc Image. Type in
>> a file name and click Save.
>>
>> Nero
>> Nero is a little better than Easy CD Creator for
>> generating ISOs from existing discs, but still
>> has its own peculiarities. Drag the contents of
>> your disc into the project area (or copy the
>> files from your hard drive if you're building an
>> ISO from existing files). To create your ISO, go
>> to the menu and select Recorder-Choose Recorder.
>> Click Image Recorder. Nero's logic is that
>> you're recording a CD, except it's to a file
>> instead of a disc.
>>
>> Next, follow the normal burn process. When you
>> click on Write, you'll be prompted for a file
>> name. Nero tries to create its own NRG files,
>> but for better compatibility with other
>> programs, choose ISO. It's a mystery why Nero
>> and Easy CD Creator don't have a simple button
>> called 'Save ISO', when Burn4Free can manage
>> this simple feature.
>>
>> Burning an ISO back to a disc
>>
>> Converting an ISO back to a normal CD or DVD is
>> easy. Start your CD burning package and select
>> File-Burn Image (Nero) or File-Record Disc from
>> Image (Easy CD Creator). Another option is to
>> use Burn4Free by clicking the no-nonsense Burn
>> ISO button.
>>
>> However, as I mentioned last month, all ISOs are
>> not the same. There may be times when you need
>> to convert ISOs between various formats to make
>> an image compatible with your burner software or
>> virtual CD drive. For this task, grab a copy of
>> CD Image Converter. The cross conversion option
>> shows just how many different flavours of ISOs
>> are available (see here). The only problem with
>> the software is that you need to know the
>> structure of the ISO, which is a task more
>> suited for propellerheads. The readme file
>> included in the installation package offers some
>> guidance but, if you're still unsure and Google
>> can't help, you may be stuck with trying them
>> all until a format works.
>>
>> Opening and editing the contents of an ISO
>>
>> Few people know it, but some zipping tools can
>> open the contents of certain ISO and disc image
>> files. One example is WinRAR (shareware, $US29)
>> - it lets you extract files from an ISO, but you
>> can't edit/delete the ISO's contents. A free
>> alternative is Nathan Moinvaziri's ExtractNow,
>> which supports ISO, IMG and BIN files (plus less
>> common zip formats such as RAR and LZH).
>> Whichever program you choose, this feature is
>> handy if you want to extract a file without
>> mounting a virtual CD drive or burning the ISO
>> back to a CD or DVD.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fstcarr wrote:

>> > After 3 downloads, still nothing in the ISO except a 24 k .TXT file.
>> > Any
>> > Explanations for this. Surely I'm not expected to load 3.2 gig of blank
>> > space. Surely I should be able to see the files in the .ISO. If not
>> > (should
>> > they be hidden in some manner) Please fire whom ever had the idea of
>> > hiding
>> > the files until they reach a DVD. No, I have not sent the .ISO to a
>> > dvd. WHY?
>> > It's empty! I'm a professional, I do not do things without predictable
>> > results, do you?
>> > I would be disappointed in this, but truefully, for free, this is
>> > exactly
>> > what I expect from Microsoft. Who at MS is in charge of beta testers?
>> > Why
>> > have I heard nothing in 5 years. Totally unacceptable, unusable, as
>> > usuall.
>> >
>> >
>> > Fstcarr, not so fast any more

>>

Or mount it on Daemon Tools......then the OP will actually see that the
files are indeed there ;o)

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"Tom Scales" <tjscales@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Good lord, stop being obstinate and burn the damn dvd.
>
> "Fstcarr" <Fstcarr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:5C591CA2-B3FD-4766-91D2-27554A348C0B@microsoft.com...

>>I have 3 ISO busters, one from the beta copy of XP (included by Microsoft
>> when it came out), one in WLite and one in Nero, all 3 tell me the file
>> size
>> is correct yet I see no files in any view. Until I do, I will not be
>> burning
>> it to DVD or anything else, I know a waste of time when I see it. Or in
>> this
>> case, Don't see it.
>> If I have to get another application, to do what 3 applications cannot do
>> "now" but have done for me in the past, then I say again "for free, this
>> is
>> exactly what I expect from MS".
>> Riddle me this, why would MS change what they sent in XP, the latest and
>> greatest according to them, or better yet, why choose any format like
>> UDF,
>> ISO, the choice should be mine, or at the least, should be left up to the
>> TESTER or admin, not MS. Who now thrust this upon us for no good reason
>> except to be "clever".
>> Closing note, I made my own ISO starting with integration of service pack
>> four in Win2000, I believe strongly, based on experience, and feedback
>> from
>> hundreds of customers, I know what I'm Doing. Proof is easy, I open an
>> ISO I
>> made, or even the ISO of XP Beta and there are the files. I open any of
>> the
>> completed 3 downloads, I see one text file in each of three downloads.
>> The
>> obvious conclusion is the ISO file is empty.
>> Thank you
>>
>> Now, just to prove how insain this is, I'm going back to my Nero and
>> install
>> UDF and a 4 gig hard drive into one of my "Downstream" systems, Map the
>> drive
>> to my server, then I will format the drive UDF ( the drive will then
>> appear
>> as a CDRom) and explode the ISO on the media. There will be no data. Just
>> one
>> Text file telling me I need UDF formated media. Conclusion, Order the DVD
>> or
>> do without.
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Fstcarr, not so fast any more
>>
>>
>> "Rick" wrote:
>>

>>> Working with ISO files
>>>
>>> Scott Mendham, PC World
>>>
>>> 15/09/2004 08:05:36
>>>
>>> We have previously introduced ISOs in the
>>> tutorial CD and DVD images; this month, we focus
>>> on creating an ISO. There are two basic
>>> approaches to creating an ISO, but bear in mind
>>> that you can't create functional ISOs from
>>> copy-protected discs such as commercial movie
>>> DVDs. You can build one from files on your hard
>>> drive, or you can convert an existing CD/DVD to
>>> an ISO file. The techniques will vary between
>>> programs and, unfortunately, many leading
>>> packages make the process unnecessarily complex.
>>>
>>> Creating an ISO from a disc
>>>
>>> The simplest tool for creating an ISO from an
>>> existing CD or DVD also has the advantage of
>>> being completely free. It's called ISO Recorder.
>>>
>>> To create your ISO, simply whack in your disc,
>>> right-click on the drive and choose 'Copy CD to
>>> image file'. Type in a file name for your ISO
>>> and click Next. A couple of minutes later, your
>>> image will be ready. The only drawback is that
>>> the program runs solely on Windows XP.
>>>
>>> Building an ISO
>>>
>>> The process for constructing your own ISO is
>>> much the same as producing a normal CD. Where it
>>> differs is that, instead of burning to disc, you
>>> pick another option, such as 'Create Disc Image'
>>> or similar. Also, if you want to make the CD/DVD
>>> bootable, most programs will require you to
>>> select the bootable option in your program,
>>> rather than the normal data CD/DVD.
>>>
>>> Easy CD Creator
>>>
>>> The process for creating an ISO should be a
>>> straightforward task, but expect some confusion
>>> with Easy CD Creator. To make an ISO of an
>>> existing disc, start a new project, insert the
>>> disc into your drive and use the explorer
>>> section to navigate to its location. Drag the
>>> contents of the disc to the project area. If the
>>> CD you're imaging hasn't been finalised, you'll
>>> be asked if you want to add the data or import a
>>> session. This question is a red herring, so
>>> click No. If you have the import session option
>>> turned on by default, go to Tools-Options and
>>> uncheck the box next to 'Do not warn me before
>>> automatically importing a session'. To create
>>> the ISO, select Tools-Create Disc Image. Type in
>>> a file name and click Save.
>>>
>>> Nero
>>> Nero is a little better than Easy CD Creator for
>>> generating ISOs from existing discs, but still
>>> has its own peculiarities. Drag the contents of
>>> your disc into the project area (or copy the
>>> files from your hard drive if you're building an
>>> ISO from existing files). To create your ISO, go
>>> to the menu and select Recorder-Choose Recorder.
>>> Click Image Recorder. Nero's logic is that
>>> you're recording a CD, except it's to a file
>>> instead of a disc.
>>>
>>> Next, follow the normal burn process. When you
>>> click on Write, you'll be prompted for a file
>>> name. Nero tries to create its own NRG files,
>>> but for better compatibility with other
>>> programs, choose ISO. It's a mystery why Nero
>>> and Easy CD Creator don't have a simple button
>>> called 'Save ISO', when Burn4Free can manage
>>> this simple feature.
>>>
>>> Burning an ISO back to a disc
>>>
>>> Converting an ISO back to a normal CD or DVD is
>>> easy. Start your CD burning package and select
>>> File-Burn Image (Nero) or File-Record Disc from
>>> Image (Easy CD Creator). Another option is to
>>> use Burn4Free by clicking the no-nonsense Burn
>>> ISO button.
>>>
>>> However, as I mentioned last month, all ISOs are
>>> not the same. There may be times when you need
>>> to convert ISOs between various formats to make
>>> an image compatible with your burner software or
>>> virtual CD drive. For this task, grab a copy of
>>> CD Image Converter. The cross conversion option
>>> shows just how many different flavours of ISOs
>>> are available (see here). The only problem with
>>> the software is that you need to know the
>>> structure of the ISO, which is a task more
>>> suited for propellerheads. The readme file
>>> included in the installation package offers some
>>> guidance but, if you're still unsure and Google
>>> can't help, you may be stuck with trying them
>>> all until a format works.
>>>
>>> Opening and editing the contents of an ISO
>>>
>>> Few people know it, but some zipping tools can
>>> open the contents of certain ISO and disc image
>>> files. One example is WinRAR (shareware, $US29)
>>> - it lets you extract files from an ISO, but you
>>> can't edit/delete the ISO's contents. A free
>>> alternative is Nathan Moinvaziri's ExtractNow,
>>> which supports ISO, IMG and BIN files (plus less
>>> common zip formats such as RAR and LZH).
>>> Whichever program you choose, this feature is
>>> handy if you want to extract a file without
>>> mounting a virtual CD drive or burning the ISO
>>> back to a CD or DVD.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fstcarr wrote:
>>> > After 3 downloads, still nothing in the ISO except a 24 k .TXT file.
>>> > Any
>>> > Explanations for this. Surely I'm not expected to load 3.2 gig of
>>> > blank
>>> > space. Surely I should be able to see the files in the .ISO. If not
>>> > (should
>>> > they be hidden in some manner) Please fire whom ever had the idea of
>>> > hiding
>>> > the files until they reach a DVD. No, I have not sent the .ISO to a
>>> > dvd. WHY?
>>> > It's empty! I'm a professional, I do not do things without predictable
>>> > results, do you?
>>> > I would be disappointed in this, but truefully, for free, this is
>>> > exactly
>>> > what I expect from Microsoft. Who at MS is in charge of beta testers?
>>> > Why
>>> > have I heard nothing in 5 years. Totally unacceptable, unusable, as
>>> > usuall.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Fstcarr, not so fast any more
>>>

>
>

So, YOU are a "Professional" huh??
Exactly a "Professional" What??
You sure don't know much about Computer Operating Systems, DVD's, File
Systems,
and probably a whole lot of other stuff you AREN'T a "Professional" in.
What exactly you downloaded was an "ISO" image file.
You want to know what an "ISO" image file is?
www.google.com ------------------------> and search for the answers!

"Fstcarr" <Fstcarr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> After 3 downloads, still nothing in the ISO except a 24 k .TXT file. Any
> Explanations for this. Surely I'm not expected to load 3.2 gig of blank
> space. Surely I should be able to see the files in the .ISO. If not
> (should
> they be hidden in some manner) Please fire whom ever had the idea of
> hiding
> the files until they reach a DVD. No, I have not sent the .ISO to a dvd.
> WHY?
> It's empty! I'm a professional, I do not do things without predictable
> results, do you?
> I would be disappointed in this, but truefully, for free, this is exactly
> what I expect from Microsoft. Who at MS is in charge of beta testers? Why
> have I heard nothing in 5 years. Totally unacceptable, unusable, as
> usuall.
>
>
> Fstcarr, not so fast any more