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Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.

Posted: 12-01-2004, 03:37 PM
thorq2
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I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting XPe on CF (NTFS).
I have the same problem.
I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all that and if I use
FAT it works just fine.

In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
> 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
> 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
> 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
> 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
> geometry is picked up.
> 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
> not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
> 6. Mark first partition as active.
> 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.

My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD connected to my
target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF connected at the same
time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only option (as I see
it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to use a floppy.

My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS using a bootdisk?

Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in order to use
fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?

/Thor


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Slobodan Brcin \(eMVP\)
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Re: Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.
Posted: 12-01-2004, 04:04 PM
Hi Thor,

Can you have CF and CD connected at the same time?
First XPe CD is bootable and you can use diskpart, and format from WinPE that is on it.

Regards,
Slobodan

"thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2F27DEBE-0357-462D-9BCC-0CE181885759@microsoft.com...
> I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting XPe on CF (NTFS).
> I have the same problem.
> I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all that and if I use
> FAT it works just fine.
>
> In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
> > 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
> > 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
> > 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
> > 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
> > geometry is picked up.
> > 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
> > not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
> > 6. Mark first partition as active.
> > 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.
>
>
> My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD connected to my
> target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF connected at the same
> time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only option (as I see
> it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to use a floppy.
>
> My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS using a bootdisk?
>
> Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in order to use
> fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?
>
> /Thor
>
>
> --
> "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."

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Re: Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.
Posted: 12-01-2004, 04:25 PM
Unfortunatly not. I assume that this would solve the problem.
I'n trying PartionMagic 5.0 for DOS right now. According to another forum
that might work.

/Thor

"Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> Hi Thor,
>
> Can you have CF and CD connected at the same time?
> First XPe CD is bootable and you can use diskpart, and format from WinPE that is on it.
>
> Regards,
> Slobodan
>
> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2F27DEBE-0357-462D-9BCC-0CE181885759@microsoft.com...
> > I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting XPe on CF (NTFS).
> > I have the same problem.
> > I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all that and if I use
> > FAT it works just fine.
> >
> > In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
> > > 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
> > > 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
> > > 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
> > > 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
> > > geometry is picked up.
> > > 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
> > > not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
> > > 6. Mark first partition as active.
> > > 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.
> >
> >
> > My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD connected to my
> > target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF connected at the same
> > time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only option (as I see
> > it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to use a floppy.
> >
> > My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS using a bootdisk?
> >
> > Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in order to use
> > fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?
> >
> > /Thor
> >
> >
> > --
> > "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."
>
>
>
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Re: Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.
Posted: 12-01-2004, 06:09 PM
You won't like the answer, but if you get Partition Magic 8.0 (it's now
Symantec's product) I believe there is a util there you can do on your
development system, to setup your CF NTFS... big pain, but if you don't have
bootable CD on the device, you will have to do it somewhere else. (PM 5.0
does not know how to do this, I think)

HTH,

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"thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B6CC3ABB-8CCC-4E75-84D9-BD393509C767@microsoft.com...
> Unfortunatly not. I assume that this would solve the problem.
> I'n trying PartionMagic 5.0 for DOS right now. According to another forum
> that might work.
>
> /Thor
>
> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
>
>> Hi Thor,
>>
>> Can you have CF and CD connected at the same time?
>> First XPe CD is bootable and you can use diskpart, and format from WinPE
>> that is on it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Slobodan
>>
>> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:2F27DEBE-0357-462D-9BCC-0CE181885759@microsoft.com...
>> > I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting XPe on CF
>> > (NTFS).
>> > I have the same problem.
>> > I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all that and if
>> > I use
>> > FAT it works just fine.
>> >
>> > In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
>> > > 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
>> > > 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
>> > > 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
>> > > 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
>> > > geometry is picked up.
>> > > 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
>> > > not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
>> > > 6. Mark first partition as active.
>> > > 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.
>> >
>> >
>> > My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD connected to
>> > my
>> > target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF connected at
>> > the same
>> > time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only option (as I
>> > see
>> > it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to use a
>> > floppy.
>> >
>> > My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS using a
>> > bootdisk?
>> >
>> > Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in order to use
>> > fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?
>> >
>> > /Thor
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.
Posted: 12-02-2004, 10:29 AM
The struggle continues
Well it seems like PM5.0 may be used to format it with NTFS. However when I
place my image on the CF and try to boot it, nothing happens. Not even an
error message.
Does anyone know if the CF must be formatted with format /s? I don't know if
I can set any switches to the format command in PM.
I'll look at PM8.0 version.
Thanks

/Thor

"JC" wrote:
> You won't like the answer, but if you get Partition Magic 8.0 (it's now
> Symantec's product) I believe there is a util there you can do on your
> development system, to setup your CF NTFS... big pain, but if you don't have
> bootable CD on the device, you will have to do it somewhere else. (PM 5.0
> does not know how to do this, I think)
>
> HTH,
>
> --
> JC- BSquare Corp.
> If you wish to reply directly to me, remove the <nospam_ > from the address.
> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B6CC3ABB-8CCC-4E75-84D9-BD393509C767@microsoft.com...
> > Unfortunatly not. I assume that this would solve the problem.
> > I'n trying PartionMagic 5.0 for DOS right now. According to another forum
> > that might work.
> >
> > /Thor
> >
> > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Thor,
> >>
> >> Can you have CF and CD connected at the same time?
> >> First XPe CD is bootable and you can use diskpart, and format from WinPE
> >> that is on it.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Slobodan
> >>
> >> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:2F27DEBE-0357-462D-9BCC-0CE181885759@microsoft.com...
> >> > I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting XPe on CF
> >> > (NTFS).
> >> > I have the same problem.
> >> > I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all that and if
> >> > I use
> >> > FAT it works just fine.
> >> >
> >> > In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
> >> > > 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
> >> > > 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
> >> > > 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
> >> > > 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
> >> > > geometry is picked up.
> >> > > 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
> >> > > not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
> >> > > 6. Mark first partition as active.
> >> > > 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD connected to
> >> > my
> >> > target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF connected at
> >> > the same
> >> > time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only option (as I
> >> > see
> >> > it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to use a
> >> > floppy.
> >> >
> >> > My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS using a
> >> > bootdisk?
> >> >
> >> > Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in order to use
> >> > fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?
> >> >
> >> > /Thor
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
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Re: Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.
Posted: 12-02-2004, 10:41 AM
Hi,

Can't you use USB boot to prepare CF?
Or do you have an option to move CF to different computer and prepare it there?
Using tools like old diskedit you can prepare MBR PBR manually to work with any LCHS.

Regards,
Slobodan

"thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A881CCF2-ED19-4261-8FCD-66513B650EBF@microsoft.com...
> The struggle continues
> Well it seems like PM5.0 may be used to format it with NTFS. However when I
> place my image on the CF and try to boot it, nothing happens. Not even an
> error message.
> Does anyone know if the CF must be formatted with format /s? I don't know if
> I can set any switches to the format command in PM.
> I'll look at PM8.0 version.
> Thanks
>
> /Thor
>
> "JC" wrote:
>
> > You won't like the answer, but if you get Partition Magic 8.0 (it's now
> > Symantec's product) I believe there is a util there you can do on your
> > development system, to setup your CF NTFS... big pain, but if you don't have
> > bootable CD on the device, you will have to do it somewhere else. (PM 5.0
> > does not know how to do this, I think)
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > --
> > JC- BSquare Corp.
> > If you wish to reply directly to me, remove the <nospam_ > from the address.
> > "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:B6CC3ABB-8CCC-4E75-84D9-BD393509C767@microsoft.com...
> > > Unfortunatly not. I assume that this would solve the problem.
> > > I'n trying PartionMagic 5.0 for DOS right now. According to another forum
> > > that might work.
> > >
> > > /Thor
> > >
> > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Thor,
> > >>
> > >> Can you have CF and CD connected at the same time?
> > >> First XPe CD is bootable and you can use diskpart, and format from WinPE
> > >> that is on it.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Slobodan
> > >>
> > >> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:2F27DEBE-0357-462D-9BCC-0CE181885759@microsoft.com...
> > >> > I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting XPe on CF
> > >> > (NTFS).
> > >> > I have the same problem.
> > >> > I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all that and if
> > >> > I use
> > >> > FAT it works just fine.
> > >> >
> > >> > In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
> > >> > > 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
> > >> > > 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
> > >> > > 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
> > >> > > 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
> > >> > > geometry is picked up.
> > >> > > 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
> > >> > > not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
> > >> > > 6. Mark first partition as active.
> > >> > > 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD connected to
> > >> > my
> > >> > target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF connected at
> > >> > the same
> > >> > time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only option (as I
> > >> > see
> > >> > it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to use a
> > >> > floppy.
> > >> >
> > >> > My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS using a
> > >> > bootdisk?
> > >> >
> > >> > Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in order to use
> > >> > fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?
> > >> >
> > >> > /Thor
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
> >

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Re: Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.
Posted: 12-02-2004, 11:59 AM
Another drawback, the current bios does not support booting from USB. But I
will try diskedit.
How about preparing the CF on another machine regarding:
"You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS geometry is picked up."

Thanks

/Thor

"Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can't you use USB boot to prepare CF?
> Or do you have an option to move CF to different computer and prepare it there?
> Using tools like old diskedit you can prepare MBR PBR manually to work with any LCHS.
>
> Regards,
> Slobodan
>
> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A881CCF2-ED19-4261-8FCD-66513B650EBF@microsoft.com...
> > The struggle continues
> > Well it seems like PM5.0 may be used to format it with NTFS. However when I
> > place my image on the CF and try to boot it, nothing happens. Not even an
> > error message.
> > Does anyone know if the CF must be formatted with format /s? I don't know if
> > I can set any switches to the format command in PM.
> > I'll look at PM8.0 version.
> > Thanks
> >
> > /Thor
> >
> > "JC" wrote:
> >
> > > You won't like the answer, but if you get Partition Magic 8.0 (it's now
> > > Symantec's product) I believe there is a util there you can do on your
> > > development system, to setup your CF NTFS... big pain, but if you don't have
> > > bootable CD on the device, you will have to do it somewhere else. (PM 5.0
> > > does not know how to do this, I think)
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > --
> > > JC- BSquare Corp.
> > > If you wish to reply directly to me, remove the <nospam_ > from the address.
> > > "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:B6CC3ABB-8CCC-4E75-84D9-BD393509C767@microsoft.com...
> > > > Unfortunatly not. I assume that this would solve the problem.
> > > > I'n trying PartionMagic 5.0 for DOS right now. According to another forum
> > > > that might work.
> > > >
> > > > /Thor
> > > >
> > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Thor,
> > > >>
> > > >> Can you have CF and CD connected at the same time?
> > > >> First XPe CD is bootable and you can use diskpart, and format from WinPE
> > > >> that is on it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Slobodan
> > > >>
> > > >> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:2F27DEBE-0357-462D-9BCC-0CE181885759@microsoft.com...
> > > >> > I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting XPe on CF
> > > >> > (NTFS).
> > > >> > I have the same problem.
> > > >> > I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all that and if
> > > >> > I use
> > > >> > FAT it works just fine.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
> > > >> > > 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
> > > >> > > 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
> > > >> > > 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
> > > >> > > 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
> > > >> > > geometry is picked up.
> > > >> > > 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
> > > >> > > not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
> > > >> > > 6. Mark first partition as active.
> > > >> > > 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD connected to
> > > >> > my
> > > >> > target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF connected at
> > > >> > the same
> > > >> > time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only option (as I
> > > >> > see
> > > >> > it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to use a
> > > >> > floppy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS using a
> > > >> > bootdisk?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in order to use
> > > >> > fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > /Thor
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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Re: Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.
Posted: 12-02-2004, 12:28 PM
Hi Thorq,
> How about preparing the CF on another machine regarding:
> "You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS geometry is picked up."
Right. Partition CF from DOS on target device with fdisk, and format it with format /S. You will have correct geometry.
Move it to development machine and now you have two choices.
1. Convert it to NTFS.
2. Backup PBR CHS values (two bytes). Reformat partition with NTFS. Put back valid geometry info to PBR.

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d...d_tro_ilxl.asp
You are interested in values:
Sectors Per Track
Number of Heads

Regards,
Slobodan
PS:
You can use extra switches in format command in XP to set above two values.

> Thanks
>
> /Thor
>
> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can't you use USB boot to prepare CF?
> > Or do you have an option to move CF to different computer and prepare it there?
> > Using tools like old diskedit you can prepare MBR PBR manually to work with any LCHS.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Slobodan
> >
> > "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:A881CCF2-ED19-4261-8FCD-66513B650EBF@microsoft.com...
> > > The struggle continues
> > > Well it seems like PM5.0 may be used to format it with NTFS. However when I
> > > place my image on the CF and try to boot it, nothing happens. Not even an
> > > error message.
> > > Does anyone know if the CF must be formatted with format /s? I don't know if
> > > I can set any switches to the format command in PM.
> > > I'll look at PM8.0 version.
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > /Thor
> > >
> > > "JC" wrote:
> > >
> > > > You won't like the answer, but if you get Partition Magic 8.0 (it's now
> > > > Symantec's product) I believe there is a util there you can do on your
> > > > development system, to setup your CF NTFS... big pain, but if you don't have
> > > > bootable CD on the device, you will have to do it somewhere else. (PM 5.0
> > > > does not know how to do this, I think)
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > JC- BSquare Corp.
> > > > If you wish to reply directly to me, remove the <nospam_ > from the address.
> > > > "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:B6CC3ABB-8CCC-4E75-84D9-BD393509C767@microsoft.com...
> > > > > Unfortunatly not. I assume that this would solve the problem.
> > > > > I'n trying PartionMagic 5.0 for DOS right now. According to another forum
> > > > > that might work.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Thor
> > > > >
> > > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Thor,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Can you have CF and CD connected at the same time?
> > > > >> First XPe CD is bootable and you can use diskpart, and format from WinPE
> > > > >> that is on it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards,
> > > > >> Slobodan
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:2F27DEBE-0357-462D-9BCC-0CE181885759@microsoft.com...
> > > > >> > I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting XPe on CF
> > > > >> > (NTFS).
> > > > >> > I have the same problem.
> > > > >> > I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all that and if
> > > > >> > I use
> > > > >> > FAT it works just fine.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
> > > > >> > > 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
> > > > >> > > 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
> > > > >> > > 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
> > > > >> > > 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
> > > > >> > > geometry is picked up.
> > > > >> > > 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
> > > > >> > > not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
> > > > >> > > 6. Mark first partition as active.
> > > > >> > > 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD connected to
> > > > >> > my
> > > > >> > target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF connected at
> > > > >> > the same
> > > > >> > time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only option (as I
> > > > >> > see
> > > > >> > it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to use a
> > > > >> > floppy.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS using a
> > > > >> > bootdisk?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in order to use
> > > > >> > fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > /Thor
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >

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Re: Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.
Posted: 12-02-2004, 01:32 PM
I am struggling with the same issue here. I have successfully done this
in the past, but I just spent a 14-hour day trying to get FBA to run on
the target.

I can boot to a USB CDROM (WinPE) and create a single, primary
partition on the CF. I mark it as active, format it to NTFS, and copy
the files to the CF. I then uncompress the ntldr, NTDETECT, and
boot.ini files.

When I try to boot, I get no information after the BIOS printout and
memory test, just a flashing cursor.




Slobodan Brcin (eMVP) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can't you use USB boot to prepare CF?
> Or do you have an option to move CF to different computer and prepare
it there?
> Using tools like old diskedit you can prepare MBR PBR manually to
work with any LCHS.
>
> Regards,
> Slobodan
>
> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A881CCF2-ED19-4261-8FCD-66513B650EBF@microsoft.com...
> > The struggle continues
> > Well it seems like PM5.0 may be used to format it with NTFS.
However when I
> > place my image on the CF and try to boot it, nothing happens. Not
even an
> > error message.
> > Does anyone know if the CF must be formatted with format /s? I
don't know if
> > I can set any switches to the format command in PM.
> > I'll look at PM8.0 version.
> > Thanks
> >
> > /Thor
> >
> > "JC" wrote:
> >
> > > You won't like the answer, but if you get Partition Magic 8.0
(it's now
> > > Symantec's product) I believe there is a util there you can do on
your
> > > development system, to setup your CF NTFS... big pain, but if you
don't have
> > > bootable CD on the device, you will have to do it somewhere else.
(PM 5.0
> > > does not know how to do this, I think)
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > >
> > > --
> > > JC- BSquare Corp.
> > > If you wish to reply directly to me, remove the <nospam_ > from
the address.
> > > "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:B6CC3ABB-8CCC-4E75-84D9-BD393509C767@microsoft.com...
> > > > Unfortunatly not. I assume that this would solve the problem.
> > > > I'n trying PartionMagic 5.0 for DOS right now. According to
another forum
> > > > that might work.
> > > >
> > > > /Thor
> > > >
> > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Thor,
> > > >>
> > > >> Can you have CF and CD connected at the same time?
> > > >> First XPe CD is bootable and you can use diskpart, and format
from WinPE
> > > >> that is on it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Slobodan
> > > >>
> > > >> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > >> news:2F27DEBE-0357-462D-9BCC-0CE181885759@microsoft.com...
> > > >> > I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting
XPe on CF
> > > >> > (NTFS).
> > > >> > I have the same problem.
> > > >> > I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all
that and if
> > > >> > I use
> > > >> > FAT it works just fine.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
> > > >> > > 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
> > > >> > > 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
> > > >> > > 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
> > > >> > > 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
> > > >> > > geometry is picked up.
> > > >> > > 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
> > > >> > > not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
> > > >> > > 6. Mark first partition as active.
> > > >> > > 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD
connected to
> > > >> > my
> > > >> > target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF
connected at
> > > >> > the same
> > > >> > time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only
option (as I
> > > >> > see
> > > >> > it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to
use a
> > > >> > floppy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS
using a
> > > >> > bootdisk?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in
order to use
> > > >> > fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > /Thor
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: Format CF to NTFS with bootdisk.
Posted: 12-02-2004, 01:45 PM
Hi Desi,

Delete ntldr. You should get error saying that it is not present. In case that you do not.
Remove active partition flag from first partition. You should get message from MBR. In case that there is no message and you have
same behavior. Please zero-out MBR. And try doing procedure from scratch.

FYI: CF should be connected to computer while BIOS and WinPE boot.

Regards,
Slobodan

"Desi" <richardsd@tycoelectronics.com> wrote in message news:1101994374.456340.49370@c13g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> I am struggling with the same issue here. I have successfully done this
> in the past, but I just spent a 14-hour day trying to get FBA to run on
> the target.
>
> I can boot to a USB CDROM (WinPE) and create a single, primary
> partition on the CF. I mark it as active, format it to NTFS, and copy
> the files to the CF. I then uncompress the ntldr, NTDETECT, and
> boot.ini files.
>
> When I try to boot, I get no information after the BIOS printout and
> memory test, just a flashing cursor.
>
>
>
>
> Slobodan Brcin (eMVP) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can't you use USB boot to prepare CF?
> > Or do you have an option to move CF to different computer and prepare
> it there?
> > Using tools like old diskedit you can prepare MBR PBR manually to
> work with any LCHS.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Slobodan
> >
> > "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A881CCF2-ED19-4261-8FCD-66513B650EBF@microsoft.com...
> > > The struggle continues
> > > Well it seems like PM5.0 may be used to format it with NTFS.
> However when I
> > > place my image on the CF and try to boot it, nothing happens. Not
> even an
> > > error message.
> > > Does anyone know if the CF must be formatted with format /s? I
> don't know if
> > > I can set any switches to the format command in PM.
> > > I'll look at PM8.0 version.
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > /Thor
> > >
> > > "JC" wrote:
> > >
> > > > You won't like the answer, but if you get Partition Magic 8.0
> (it's now
> > > > Symantec's product) I believe there is a util there you can do on
> your
> > > > development system, to setup your CF NTFS... big pain, but if you
> don't have
> > > > bootable CD on the device, you will have to do it somewhere else.
> (PM 5.0
> > > > does not know how to do this, I think)
> > > >
> > > > HTH,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > JC- BSquare Corp.
> > > > If you wish to reply directly to me, remove the <nospam_ > from
> the address.
> > > > "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:B6CC3ABB-8CCC-4E75-84D9-BD393509C767@microsoft.com...
> > > > > Unfortunatly not. I assume that this would solve the problem.
> > > > > I'n trying PartionMagic 5.0 for DOS right now. According to
> another forum
> > > > > that might work.
> > > > >
> > > > > /Thor
> > > > >
> > > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hi Thor,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Can you have CF and CD connected at the same time?
> > > > >> First XPe CD is bootable and you can use diskpart, and format
> from WinPE
> > > > >> that is on it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards,
> > > > >> Slobodan
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "thorq2" <thorq2@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:2F27DEBE-0357-462D-9BCC-0CE181885759@microsoft.com...
> > > > >> > I've read a lot of threads concerning problems with booting
> XPe on CF
> > > > >> > (NTFS).
> > > > >> > I have the same problem.
> > > > >> > I have made sure that the CF is primary and active and all
> that and if
> > > > >> > I use
> > > > >> > FAT it works just fine.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > In one of these threads Slobodan Brcin wrote:
> > > > >> > > 1. NTFS if bootable by default.
> > > > >> > > 2. ntldr MUST NOT BE COMPRESSED.
> > > > >> > > 3. You need to use non-removable CF device.
> > > > >> > > 4. You MUST format CF on taget device so that valid BIOS
> > > > >> > > geometry is picked up.
> > > > >> > > 5. CF Must be present during the BIOS boot sequence, if
> > > > >> > > not Win PE will not see valid int 13 geometry.
> > > > >> > > 6. Mark first partition as active.
> > > > >> > > 7. Don't use DOS if you need NTFS.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > My problem is that I can have either a CF or a HDD and CD
> connected to
> > > > >> > my
> > > > >> > target machine. I cannot have both HDD and/or CD and CF
> connected at
> > > > >> > the same
> > > > >> > time due to the connectors on my target machine. My only
> option (as I
> > > > >> > see
> > > > >> > it), in order to format the CF on the target machine, is to
> use a
> > > > >> > floppy.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > My question is if there is some way to format my CF to NTFS
> using a
> > > > >> > bootdisk?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Is there any special version of fdisk that must be used in
> order to use
> > > > >> > fdisk /mbr on NTFS disks?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > /Thor
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > "If it ain't broken, don't fix it."
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>

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