Gaming Reported 15% Slower on Vista

How much RAM do you have? I'd start with a gig for Vista for good
performance, but if you're doing gaming, I'd recommend 2GB. I think most of
everything is slower on Vista, although not by much. In theory, gaming
shouldn't be slower on Vista because it shuts off the Aero Glass (which
utilizes your video card) when you are gaming. I think the 15% drop is
going to come more for physical RAM usage since Vista eats a lot more RAM
than XP and a hair more CPU resources as well. I don't like the fact that
you have to have 512MB of RAM just to run an operating system. I still am
disappointed with WMP11's slow performance - due to mfpmp.exe gobbling 10%
of my CPU constantly and 20MB of RAM and DWM that eats 10-20% of my CPU for
some reason when WMP11 runs.
"JCO" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:OLaC6Sk6GHA.1560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Something tells me that it will be slower than 15%.
> Everything in Vista is slow. All though I have not gone up to 2Gigs of
> RAM
> yet.
>
>
> "Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
> news:urag5Ck6GHA.4572@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> From Neowin:
>>
>> "Microsoft is reportedly telling it's gaming industry associates that

> games

>> will run 10-15% slower on their new operating system due to the new GUI
>> implemented.
>>
>> Vista's new 3D desktop will constantly be draining the PC of video memory
>> that games could make use of, so in actual fact many of your favourite

> games

>> will probably run faster on Windows XP. Of course after Vista arrives new
>> PCs and hardware will be built especially for Vista which will increase
>> performance anyway.
>>
>> Still, looks like that pretty desktop has a price after all."
>>
>> Neowin Discussion:
>> http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=35459#add
>>
>>
>> Will Vista Run Your Games?
>> May 30, 2006
>> http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=179450,00.asp
>>
>> Windows Vista and PC Games
>> http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=174131,00.asp
>>
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>>

>
>

I'm still running 1-gig Ram.

"Travis King" <Anonymous@none.com> wrote in message
news:OOhoDxk6GHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> How much RAM do you have? I'd start with a gig for Vista for good
> performance, but if you're doing gaming, I'd recommend 2GB. I think most

of

> everything is slower on Vista, although not by much. In theory, gaming
> shouldn't be slower on Vista because it shuts off the Aero Glass (which
> utilizes your video card) when you are gaming. I think the 15% drop is
> going to come more for physical RAM usage since Vista eats a lot more RAM
> than XP and a hair more CPU resources as well. I don't like the fact that
> you have to have 512MB of RAM just to run an operating system. I still am
> disappointed with WMP11's slow performance - due to mfpmp.exe gobbling 10%
> of my CPU constantly and 20MB of RAM and DWM that eats 10-20% of my CPU

for

> some reason when WMP11 runs.
> "JCO" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:OLaC6Sk6GHA.1560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > Something tells me that it will be slower than 15%.
> > Everything in Vista is slow. All though I have not gone up to 2Gigs of
> > RAM
> > yet.
> >
> >
> > "Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
> > news:urag5Ck6GHA.4572@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> >> From Neowin:
> >>
> >> "Microsoft is reportedly telling it's gaming industry associates that

> > games

> >> will run 10-15% slower on their new operating system due to the new GUI
> >> implemented.
> >>
> >> Vista's new 3D desktop will constantly be draining the PC of video

memory

> >> that games could make use of, so in actual fact many of your favourite

> > games

> >> will probably run faster on Windows XP. Of course after Vista arrives

new

> >> PCs and hardware will be built especially for Vista which will increase
> >> performance anyway.
> >>
> >> Still, looks like that pretty desktop has a price after all."
> >>
> >> Neowin Discussion:
> >> http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=35459#add
> >>
> >>
> >> Will Vista Run Your Games?
> >> May 30, 2006
> >> http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=179450,00.asp
> >>
> >> Windows Vista and PC Games
> >> http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=174131,00.asp
> >>
> >>
> >> CH
> >>
> >>
> >>

> >
> >

>

I hope that the hardware afficiandos here with the awesome machines will
weigh in--and some serious gamers. I am interested to hear about the
gaming/graphics experiences of people on Vista RC2 since it's pretty close
what will RTM/ship in a 2-3 weeks, and what hardware they're using.

As I collect articles that review the popular games on Vista, many of them
are requiring 2GB or so of RAM to go from choppy to smooth and responsive.
One of the Extreme Tech articles I linked reviewed games along those lines.

It is a problem in Vista to overcome Vista's gui eye candy and running
demanding apps and games fast, and I imagine the answer is significantly
more RAM and faster processorsfor the people that need them. I'm not sure
how the new Direct X 10 will impact this-- I noticed that MSFT has dropped
the name Windows Graphic Foundation for its new nexgen API. It'll include
faster DLLs.

Build It: $800 Gaming PC
http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=177753,00.asp

Building your Own Vista System
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2015439,00.asp

Core 2 Extreme Quad Performance
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2021888,00.asp

Do We Really Need Quad Core
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2021981,00.asp

Windows Vista and the Future of Hardware
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2000438,00.asp

Precomputed Radiance Transfer, DirectX 10, and other awesomeness
Robert Burke's Blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/robburke/archi...16/468151.aspx

CH

"JCO" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:OLaC6Sk6GHA.1560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Something tells me that it will be slower than 15%.
> Everything in Vista is slow. All though I have not gone up to 2Gigs of
> RAM
> yet.
>
>
> "Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
> news:urag5Ck6GHA.4572@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> From Neowin:
>>
>> "Microsoft is reportedly telling it's gaming industry associates that

> games

>> will run 10-15% slower on their new operating system due to the new GUI
>> implemented.
>>
>> Vista's new 3D desktop will constantly be draining the PC of video memory
>> that games could make use of, so in actual fact many of your favourite

> games

>> will probably run faster on Windows XP. Of course after Vista arrives new
>> PCs and hardware will be built especially for Vista which will increase
>> performance anyway.
>>
>> Still, looks like that pretty desktop has a price after all."
>>
>> Neowin Discussion:
>> http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=35459#add
>>
>>
>> Will Vista Run Your Games?
>> May 30, 2006
>> http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=179450,00.asp
>>
>> Windows Vista and PC Games
>> http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=174131,00.asp
>>
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>>

>
>

So much of game performance is due to video drivers- so I'm thinking it's
too early to make a blanket statement.


"Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
news:%23WRc30k6GHA.4644@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>I hope that the hardware afficiandos here with the awesome machines will
>weigh in--and some serious gamers. I am interested to hear about the
>gaming/graphics experiences of people on Vista RC2 since it's pretty close
>what will RTM/ship in a 2-3 weeks, and what hardware they're using.
>
> As I collect articles that review the popular games on Vista, many of
> them are requiring 2GB or so of RAM to go from choppy to smooth and
> responsive. One of the Extreme Tech articles I linked reviewed games along
> those lines.
>
> It is a problem in Vista to overcome Vista's gui eye candy and running
> demanding apps and games fast, and I imagine the answer is significantly
> more RAM and faster processorsfor the people that need them. I'm not sure
> how the new Direct X 10 will impact this-- I noticed that MSFT has dropped
> the name Windows Graphic Foundation for its new nexgen API. It'll include
> faster DLLs.
>
> Build It: $800 Gaming PC
> http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=177753,00.asp
>
> Building your Own Vista System
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2015439,00.asp
>
> Core 2 Extreme Quad Performance
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2021888,00.asp
>
> Do We Really Need Quad Core
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2021981,00.asp
>
> Windows Vista and the Future of Hardware
> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2000438,00.asp
>
> Precomputed Radiance Transfer, DirectX 10, and other awesomeness
> Robert Burke's Blog
> http://blogs.msdn.com/robburke/archi...16/468151.aspx
>
> CH
>
> "JCO" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:OLaC6Sk6GHA.1560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Something tells me that it will be slower than 15%.
>> Everything in Vista is slow. All though I have not gone up to 2Gigs of
>> RAM
>> yet.
>>
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <Vista RTM is really Beta 1.net> wrote in message
>> news:urag5Ck6GHA.4572@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> From Neowin:
>>>
>>> "Microsoft is reportedly telling it's gaming industry associates that

>> games

>>> will run 10-15% slower on their new operating system due to the new GUI
>>> implemented.
>>>
>>> Vista's new 3D desktop will constantly be draining the PC of video
>>> memory
>>> that games could make use of, so in actual fact many of your favourite

>> games

>>> will probably run faster on Windows XP. Of course after Vista arrives
>>> new
>>> PCs and hardware will be built especially for Vista which will increase
>>> performance anyway.
>>>
>>> Still, looks like that pretty desktop has a price after all."
>>>
>>> Neowin Discussion:
>>> http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=35459#add
>>>
>>>
>>> Will Vista Run Your Games?
>>> May 30, 2006
>>> http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=179450,00.asp
>>>
>>> Windows Vista and PC Games
>>> http://www.extremetech.com/print_art...=174131,00.asp
>>>
>>>
>>> CH
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

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