Re: HEY BRUCE CHAMBERS!

Paul wrote:

> Actually Bruce, my message was just cut and pasted from
> Jonathan Kay's respnonses to these questions. Jonathan
> Kay is a Microsoft MVP, which last time I checked, you
> are not. And I also believe that he said to people with
> your solution "If you install a firewall, among other
> things, sending Windows Messenger file transfers will no
> longer function." aswell as video and voice convos. And
> as for you scenarios, a potential fire is is a little
> different than the remote possiblity of a hacker. Yes,
> both of the problems are real, but the smoke detector
> scenario is a life or death situation. And hackers are
> out there, and they do create problems, but they usually
> go after companies, so the possibility of one going after
> an 'everyday joe' isn't in itself a low risk, but
> combined that Windows XP is more secure, and the chances
> of myself or others getting hacked is low enough that I'm
> satisfied with not having a firewall, simply because of
> other problems they create. As well, I guess properly
> configuring a firewall would help, but COM'ON! most
> people in these newsgroups don;t have the time, or the
> basic experience to do this, and even if they did, I
> don't see you offering any advice where they could learn
> to.
>

>> -----Original Message-----
>> Greetings --
>>
>> I do wish you would stop posting potentially harmful advice.
>> Disabling the messenger service is a "head in the sand" approach to
>> computer security.
>>
>> The real problem is _not_ the messenger service pop- ups; they're
>> actually providing a useful service by acting as a security alert.
>> The true problem is the unsecured computer, and you're only
>> advice, however well-intended, was to turn off the warnings. How is
>> this helpful?
>>
>> Equivalent Scenario 1: Somewhere in a house, a small fire starts,
>> and sets off the smoke alarm. The home-owner, not immediately seeing
>> any fire/smoke, complains about the noise of the smoke detector, so
>> you tell him to remove the smoke detector's battery and go back to
>> sleep, or whatever else he was doing.
>>
>> Equivalent Scenario 2: You over-exert your shoulder at work or
>> play, causing bursitis. After weeks of annoying and sometimes
>> excruciating pain whenever you try to reach over your head, you go to
>> a doctor and say, while demonstrating the motion, "Doc, it hurts when
>> I do this." The doctor, being as helpful as you are, replies, "Well,
>> don't do that."
>>
>> The only true way to secure the PC is to *properly* configure the
>> firewall; just installing one and letting it's default settings
>> handle things is no good. Unfortunately, this does require one to
>> learn a little bit more about using a computer than used to be
>> necessary.
>>
>>
>> Bruce Chambers
>>
>> Help us help you:
>> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>> ----
>> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
>> having both at once. -- RAH
>>
>>
>> "Paul" <pcyr2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:04f601c34759$bbd33b70$a401280a@phx.gbl...

>>> DON'T LISTEN TO HIM...(well maybe its a good idea but)
>>> Do these "pop-ups" that are appearing have "Messenger
>>> Service" in their titlebar? If so, what
>>> you're seeing is the Messenger service built-in to
>>> Windows, *not* Windows Messenger (which
>>> are two different things) which spammers are exploiting --
>>> this is not Microsoft, nor can
>>> Microsoft control them anymore then they can control spam
>>> to your e-mail inbox.
>>>
>>> To get rid of these pop ups, you'll need to disable
>>> the "Messenger Service", click Start,
>>> then Run, enter "services.msc"and click OK. Scroll down
>>> to "Messenger", select it,
>>> right-click and then choose Properties. Under startup
>>> type, choose 'Disabled' and then
>>> choose the 'Stop' button. After the service is stopped,
>>> click OK. Nothing in Windows or any
>>> real third-party applications should be effected by this.
>>> So now you've deleted Windows Messenger when it wasn't
>>> the cause, but you can download it at their website.
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> Purchase and install Norton Internet Security 2003
>>>> http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/nis_pe/
>>>>
>>>> -- Includes Norton AntiVirus 2003
>>>> -- Includes Norton Personal Firewall
>>>> -- Includes prevention of annoying web pop-ups
>>>> -- Includes Parental Controls
>>>> -- All in one, easy-to-install package
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Nicholas
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ ---
>>>> --------------
>>>>
>>>> "Nat" <solar_2000@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message:
>>>> news:004b01c34758$0d188230$a001280a@phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> Hey guys, I just got a new Dell with windows xp. Everytime
>>>>> i use the internet (i'm using the free AOL for 6 months)
>>>>> with netscape navigator, i get these pop ups which are gray
>>>>> boxes with the title in the blue bar that
>>> says "messenger".
>>>>> I went to explorer and deleted messenger, but i still get
>>>>> these messages!! how do i stop them? (other than actually
>>>>> listening to those ads that say, "stop these annoying
>>>>> popups") heheh.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks.
>>>> .
>>>>

>>
>>
>> .
>>

> .

Another rude and disrespectful post. Bruce is perfectly correct in what he
says - Jonathan is not. Turning off the service is like trying to cure
measles with calamine lotion. Sure it'll get rid of the spots but you're a
moron if you think it'll get rid of the virus. And I love the way you think
a firewall protects you from your computer catching fire! I've had a good
giggle this morning, than you. If your system transmits a static IP then you
have a very real chance of being hacked...you're naive or stupid (or, in
your case, probably both) if you think otherwise. The fact that Jonathan is
an MVP doesn't make him any more 'right' - you know, I had my first computer
business whilst Jonathan was still in Kindergarten. He couldn't even write
his own name whilst I was building systems and sorting out software crises.
I have been dealing with computers almost as long as he's been on this
planet. So if we're talking 'right' then yes, Bruce is more 'right' than
Jonathan. I am not an MVP either...so, if I understand you correctly, you're
only going to believe what you're told by an MVP - if someone doesn't have
those three little letters after their name, in your book, they're not worth
listening to? How rude! Bruce has been dealing with computers (probably)
since your mother was in junior school (judging by your rudeness and
attitude you can't be more than 14). MVPs have nothing whatsoever to do with
MS, they are in no way affiliated with MS, nor do they work for MS. If they
did, they couldn't be MVPs.

I think you owe Bruce a (public) apology.

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"Amethyst" <amethyst@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bem4j0$rqu$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...

>
> Another rude and disrespectful post.

Bwahahahahahahahah!

The pot and the kettle?

> Bruce is perfectly correct in what he

Don't make me post links to his perfectly correct "technocrap"!

> I think you owe Bruce a (public) apology.

You owe the MS NGs an apology for the long deliberate diatribe, ad hominem attack, on the previous poster.

Kudos to Bruce for staying out of this mess. He was right and he knows it.
There were two solutions to the problem, and Bruce gave the most
comprehensive solution. So what's the problem?

KB


"Paul" <pcyr2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:06bc01c34784$d77e7530$a401280a@phx.gbl...

> Actually Bruce, my message was just cut and pasted from
> Jonathan Kay's respnonses to these questions. Jonathan
> Kay is a Microsoft MVP, which last time I checked, you
> are not. And I also believe that he said to people with
> your solution "If you install a firewall, among other
> things, sending Windows Messenger file transfers will no
> longer function." aswell as video and voice convos. And
> as for you scenarios, a potential fire is is a little
> different than the remote possiblity of a hacker. Yes,
> both of the problems are real, but the smoke detector
> scenario is a life or death situation. And hackers are
> out there, and they do create problems, but they usually
> go after companies, so the possibility of one going after
> an 'everyday joe' isn't in itself a low risk, but
> combined that Windows XP is more secure, and the chances
> of myself or others getting hacked is low enough that I'm
> satisfied with not having a firewall, simply because of
> other problems they create. As well, I guess properly
> configuring a firewall would help, but COM'ON! most
> people in these newsgroups don;t have the time, or the
> basic experience to do this, and even if they did, I
> don't see you offering any advice where they could learn
> to.
>

> >-----Original Message-----
> >Greetings --
> >
> > I do wish you would stop posting potentially harmful

> advice.

> >Disabling the messenger service is a "head in the sand"

> approach to

> >computer security.
> >
> > The real problem is _not_ the messenger service pop-

> ups; they're

> >actually providing a useful service by acting as a

> security alert. The

> >true problem is the unsecured computer, and you're only
> >advice, however well-intended, was to turn off the

> warnings. How is

> >this helpful?
> >
> > Equivalent Scenario 1: Somewhere in a house, a

> small fire starts,

> >and sets off the smoke alarm. The home-owner, not

> immediately seeing

> >any fire/smoke, complains about the noise of the smoke

> detector, so

> >you tell him to remove the smoke detector's battery and

> go back to

> >sleep, or whatever else he was doing.
> >
> > Equivalent Scenario 2: You over-exert your shoulder

> at work or

> >play, causing bursitis. After weeks of annoying and

> sometimes

> >excruciating pain whenever you try to reach over your

> head, you go to

> >a doctor and say, while demonstrating the motion, "Doc,

> it hurts when

> >I do this." The doctor, being as helpful as you are,

> replies, "Well,

> >don't do that."
> >
> > The only true way to secure the PC is to *properly*

> configure the

> >firewall; just installing one and letting it's default

> settings handle

> >things is no good. Unfortunately, this does require one

> to learn a

> >little bit more about using a computer than used to be

> necessary.

> >
> >
> >Bruce Chambers
> >
> >Help us help you:
> >http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> >http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> >----
> >You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't

> ever count on

> >having both at once. -- RAH
> >
> >
> >"Paul" <pcyr2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:04f601c34759$bbd33b70$a401280a@phx.gbl...

> >> DON'T LISTEN TO HIM...(well maybe its a good idea but)
> >> Do these "pop-ups" that are appearing have "Messenger
> >> Service" in their titlebar? If so, what
> >> you're seeing is the Messenger service built-in to
> >> Windows, *not* Windows Messenger (which
> >> are two different things) which spammers are

> exploiting --

> >> this is not Microsoft, nor can
> >> Microsoft control them anymore then they can control

> spam

> >> to your e-mail inbox.
> >>
> >> To get rid of these pop ups, you'll need to disable
> >> the "Messenger Service", click Start,
> >> then Run, enter "services.msc"and click OK. Scroll down
> >> to "Messenger", select it,
> >> right-click and then choose Properties. Under startup
> >> type, choose 'Disabled' and then
> >> choose the 'Stop' button. After the service is stopped,
> >> click OK. Nothing in Windows or any
> >> real third-party applications should be effected by

> this.

> >> So now you've deleted Windows Messenger when it wasn't
> >> the cause, but you can download it at their website.
> >> >-----Original Message-----
> >> >Purchase and install Norton Internet Security 2003
> >> >http://www.symantec.com/sabu/nis/nis_pe/
> >> >
> >> >-- Includes Norton AntiVirus 2003
> >> >-- Includes Norton Personal Firewall
> >> >-- Includes prevention of annoying web pop-ups
> >> >-- Includes Parental Controls
> >> >-- All in one, easy-to-install package
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >Nicholas
> >> >
> >> >------------------------------------------------------

> ---

> >> --------------
> >> >
> >> >"Nat" <solar_2000@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message:
> >> > news:004b01c34758$0d188230$a001280a@phx.gbl...
> >> >
> >> >| Hey guys, I just got a new Dell with windows xp.
> >> Everytime
> >> >| i use the internet (i'm using the free AOL for 6
> >> months)
> >> >| with netscape navigator, i get these pop ups which

> are

> >> gray
> >> >| boxes with the title in the blue bar that
> >> says "messenger".
> >> >| I went to explorer and deleted messenger, but i

> still

> >> get
> >> >| these messages!! how do i stop them? (other than
> >> actually
> >> >| listening to those ads that say, "stop these

> annoying

> >> >| popups") heheh.
> >> >|
> >> >| thanks.
> >> >.
> >> >

> >
> >
> >.
> >

> .
>
>

Dr Halonfires LesGirl asked wistfully...

|| Guess-who wrote:
|||| Amethyst, after spending 3 minutes figuring out which end of the
|||| pen to use, wrote:
||||
|||| <snip>
||||
||||| Another rude and disrespectful post. Bruce is perfectly correct in
||||| what he says - Jonathan is not. Turning off the service is like
||||| trying to cure measles with calamine lotion. Sure it'll get rid of
||||| the spots but you're a moron if you think it'll get rid of the
||||| virus. And I love the way you think
||||| a firewall protects you from your computer catching fire! I've had
||||| a good giggle this morning, than you. If your system transmits a
||||| static IP then you have a very real chance of being
||||| hacked...you're naive or stupid (or, in
||||| your case, probably both) if you think otherwise. The fact that
||||| Jonathan is an MVP doesn't make him any more 'right' - you know, I
||||| had my first computer business whilst Jonathan was still in
||||| Kindergarten. He couldn't even write his own name whilst I was
||||| building systems and sorting out software crises.
||||| I have been dealing with computers almost as long as he's been on
||||| this planet. So if we're talking 'right' then yes, Bruce is more
||||| 'right' than Jonathan. I am not an MVP either...so, if I
||||| understand you correctly, you're only going to believe what
||||| you're told by an MVP - if someone doesn't have those three
||||| little letters after
||||| their name, in your book, they're not worth listening to? How
||||| rude! Bruce has been dealing with computers (probably) since your
||||| mother was in junior school (judging by your rudeness and
||||| attitude you can't be more than 14). MVPs have nothing whatsoever
||||| to do with MS, they are in no way affiliated with MS, nor do they
||||| work for MS. If they did, they couldn't be MVPs.
|||||
||||| I think you owe Bruce a (public) apology.
|||||
||||| --
||||| Cassandra
||||
|||| Seems like *all* posts not from your suck-up buddies is "rude
|||| and disrespectful". Could you kiss Bruces ass any harder or more
|||| often? Maybe suck the dingleberries from his asshairs better?
|||| Also, if *anyone* deserves an "apology", it should be Jonathon,
|||| from *you*! I don't respect the 'mvp' crap, but he has it...where's
|||| yours? Maybe you're just jealous and this is your way of getting
|||| back at those who wouldn't give you those funny letters after your
|||| name, because you're such an idiot? You just told everyone who you
|||| 'favor' with this shit is all, and that Jonathon's posts are
|||| worthless (almost as bad as yours). If you've been doing what you
|||| say with computers for as long as you're infering, maybe you should
|||| get another job, 'cause you sure haven't proved it to very many
|||| people in here or other NG's. You could have been farted out of
|||| your mothers ass with a computer in your hands (instead of without
|||| one
|||| like you were), but that doesn't mean you know anymore than anyone
|||| else. You call the guy "stupid" and "naive", and then tell *him*
|||| he's rude. What a fucking shit-for-brains, diseased, stinking
|||| cunt you are. Oh, and FYI...since M$ is the one sponsoring the mvp
|||| program, then you're also a fucking retard by telling everyone that
|||| "MVPs have nothing whatsoever to do with MS" or "are in no way
|||| affiliated with MS". If M$ didn't have the mvp program, then no
|||| one would have it, right, you ignorant, fucking cow. Do us a favor,
|||| go play in the middle of the autobahn, and put yourself out of our
|||| misery, or if that's too hard for you, being that your 'the turd
|||| that won't flush', maybe you can pay someone to stand at the toilet
|||| and keep flushing until you do.
||||
|||| John
|||| --
|||| http://www.biglumber.com/index.html
|||| http://microscum.kurttrail.com/mmpafaq/mmpafaq.htm
|||| http://kadaitcha.ath.cx/
||
||
|| I see the overfed undertalented garden slug is popular here too. :
|| Another case of the infamy of the retard's fuckwittery becoming
|| outstanding. --
|| The latest M$ patch(es) as just released.
|| + The Sobig worm Rides again.
|| This and much more
|| at http://psi.5544.net

What's he been pasting now?

--

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Guardian: alt.os.windows-xp
Moderator: alt.warez.uk

http://angry.at/gazwad
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Paul wrote:

>Actually Bruce, my message was just cut and pasted from
>Jonathan Kay's respnonses to these questions. Jonathan
>Kay is a Microsoft MVP, which last time I checked, you
>are not. And I also believe that he said to people with
>your solution "If you install a firewall, among other
>things, sending Windows Messenger file transfers will no
>longer function." aswell as video and voice convos.

If you have a firewall, you have to open the ports that Windows
Messenger uses for file transfers - if you want to use that. But this
is easy enough on most Firewalls, and the settings on the inbuilt one
has specific checkboxes for msmsgs and for FTP, which I *think* covers
the matter. In Zone Alarm, which I use, and which is free, all that is
needed is to tell it to permit access by Windows Messenger and to allow
it to act as a server, on the first occasion you run WM.

The important thing for these messenger *service* ads is to block access
from the net on the NetBIOS ports - 135 137 138 139 and 445


--
Alex Nichol MS MVP (Windows Technologies)
Bournemouth, U.K. Alexn@mvps.org