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Old 08-20-2003, 07:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 08-20-2003, 09:54 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The file system is NWFS.
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> You cannot set a password for a file in Windows XP. You can protect
> your files by using the NTFS file system. This file system allows you
> to define what users can do with your files. In your case you could
> deny access to all users for this file. This is done by right clicking
> the file, selecting properties and then going to the Security tab.
>
> Andrej
>
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:29:18 +0400, "Dmitriy Kopnichev"
> <kopn@hotbox.ru> wrote:
>
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> >Hello
> >How to forbid others opening my backup *.bkf file? How to set a password
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Old 08-20-2003, 10:03 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Can't you with Novell's utilties make this file/folder accessible only
to your id? Have you setup private "home" folders for all users? It
would be natural to put it there.

Dmitriy Kopnichev wrote:
Quote:
> Hello
> I know this. The file isn't on an NTFS disk, but in a Novel NetWare network.
> Thanks for your reply anyway.
> "Andrej Budja [MVP]" <andrej@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ivf6kvk7bb0slfvrsjnbeab0f5hle7ocj9@4ax.com...
>
Quote:
>>You cannot set a password for a file in Windows XP. You can protect
>>your files by using the NTFS file system. This file system allows you
>>to define what users can do with your files. In your case you could
>>deny access to all users for this file. This is done by right clicking
>>the file, selecting properties and then going to the Security tab.
>>
>>Andrej
>>
>>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:29:18 +0400, "Dmitriy Kopnichev"
>><kopn@hotbox.ru> wrote:
>>
>>
Quote:
>>>Hello
>>>How to forbid others opening my backup *.bkf file? How to set a password
>
> for
>
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Quote:
>>>opening my backup *.bkf file?
>>
>
>
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Old 08-20-2003, 10:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for your reply.
The file is in an assigned to me folder. But a Netware network administrator
can open the *.bkf file. How to forbid him opening? How to with Novell's
utilities make this file accessible only to my id?
"Rob Schneider" <rmschne@stripthisoutbeebstripthisout.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
> Can't you with Novell's utilties make this file/folder accessible only
> to your id? Have you setup private "home" folders for all users? It
> would be natural to put it there.
>
> Dmitriy Kopnichev wrote:
>
Quote:
> > Hello
> > I know this. The file isn't on an NTFS disk, but in a Novel NetWare
network.
Quote:
Quote:
> > Thanks for your reply anyway.
> > "Andrej Budja [MVP]" <andrej@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:ivf6kvk7bb0slfvrsjnbeab0f5hle7ocj9@4ax.com...
> >
Quote:
> >>You cannot set a password for a file in Windows XP. You can protect
> >>your files by using the NTFS file system. This file system allows you
> >>to define what users can do with your files. In your case you could
> >>deny access to all users for this file. This is done by right clicking
> >>the file, selecting properties and then going to the Security tab.
> >>
> >>Andrej
> >>
> >>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:29:18 +0400, "Dmitriy Kopnichev"
> >><kopn@hotbox.ru> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hello
> >>>How to forbid others opening my backup *.bkf file? How to set a
password
Quote:
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> >
> > for
> >
Quote:
> >>>opening my backup *.bkf file?
> >>
> >
> >
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Old 08-20-2003, 10:48 AM   #5 (permalink)
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The Netware network administrator can open the *.bkf file because he knows
my password.
"Rob Schneider" <rmschne@stripthisoutbeebstripthisout.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
> Can't you with Novell's utilties make this file/folder accessible only
> to your id? Have you setup private "home" folders for all users? It
> would be natural to put it there.
>
> Dmitriy Kopnichev wrote:
>
Quote:
> > Hello
> > I know this. The file isn't on an NTFS disk, but in a Novel NetWare
network.
Quote:
Quote:
> > Thanks for your reply anyway.
> > "Andrej Budja [MVP]" <andrej@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:ivf6kvk7bb0slfvrsjnbeab0f5hle7ocj9@4ax.com...
> >
Quote:
> >>You cannot set a password for a file in Windows XP. You can protect
> >>your files by using the NTFS file system. This file system allows you
> >>to define what users can do with your files. In your case you could
> >>deny access to all users for this file. This is done by right clicking
> >>the file, selecting properties and then going to the Security tab.
> >>
> >>Andrej
> >>
> >>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:29:18 +0400, "Dmitriy Kopnichev"
> >><kopn@hotbox.ru> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hello
> >>>How to forbid others opening my backup *.bkf file? How to set a
password
Quote:
Quote:
> >
> > for
> >
Quote:
> >>>opening my backup *.bkf file?
> >>
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> >
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Old 08-20-2003, 11:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Can a Netware network administrator know my password which was set from my
workstation? Can he open files or folders in my private "home" folder?
"Rob Schneider" <rmschne@stripthisoutbeebstripthisout.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
> Can't you with Novell's utilties make this file/folder accessible only
> to your id? Have you setup private "home" folders for all users? It
> would be natural to put it there.
>
> Dmitriy Kopnichev wrote:
>
Quote:
> > Hello
> > I know this. The file isn't on an NTFS disk, but in a Novel NetWare
network.
Quote:
Quote:
> > Thanks for your reply anyway.
> > "Andrej Budja [MVP]" <andrej@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:ivf6kvk7bb0slfvrsjnbeab0f5hle7ocj9@4ax.com...
> >
Quote:
> >>You cannot set a password for a file in Windows XP. You can protect
> >>your files by using the NTFS file system. This file system allows you
> >>to define what users can do with your files. In your case you could
> >>deny access to all users for this file. This is done by right clicking
> >>the file, selecting properties and then going to the Security tab.
> >>
> >>Andrej
> >>
> >>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:29:18 +0400, "Dmitriy Kopnichev"
> >><kopn@hotbox.ru> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hello
> >>>How to forbid others opening my backup *.bkf file? How to set a
password
Quote:
Quote:
> >
> > for
> >
Quote:
> >>>opening my backup *.bkf file?
> >>
> >
> >
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Old 08-20-2003, 12:55 PM   #7 (permalink)
Default Re: How to forbid others opening my backup *.bkf file? How to seta password for opening my backup *.bkf file?

I'll put your three points into one to improve the thread of this
discussion:


==============
Thanks for your reply.
The file is in an assigned to me folder. But a Netware network administrator
can open the *.bkf file. How to forbid him opening? How to with Novell's
utilities make this file accessible only to my id?

The Netware network administrator can open the *.bkf file because he knows
my password.

Can a Netware network administrator know my password which was set from my
workstation? Can he open files or folders in my private "home" folder?
================


You've given new information now to say that "others" is the network
admininstrator ... that's different.

I am puzzled why your network admin knows our password. That doesn't
sound secure in the base case. Normall network admins should not know
that. And by policy, they should be prevented from accesing people's
folders. This would be a *policy* enforceable by management. I've seen
companies where network admins get fired if they do this.

It is possible that yokur network admin cannot get into your
workstation, but it all depends on how your organisation setup your
workstation and access to network. It certainly is possible they know
the admin password or otherwise can access.

There is probably nothing preventing network admins, or someone with
admin id/password from seeing anything on your computer. With physical
access to your computer, one can get in.

To hide the backup file, you should consider encrypting it with some
encryption too with a password known only to you. You can buy such a
program, or get free by download downlaod somehere.

That being said the network admin can probaably access the source data,
so what's the point of protecting the backup? For you to consider.

Talk to your network admin and find out from him/her the company
policies, if they can access, and the degree of privacy you actually
have and are allowed.


Dmitriy Kopnichev wrote:
Quote:
> Can a Netware network administrator know my password which was set from my
> workstation? Can he open files or folders in my private "home" folder?
> "Rob Schneider" <rmschne@stripthisoutbeebstripthisout.net> wrote in message
> news:OcqaCJwZDHA.2284@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
Quote:
>>Can't you with Novell's utilties make this file/folder accessible only
>>to your id? Have you setup private "home" folders for all users? It
>>would be natural to put it there.
>>
>>Dmitriy Kopnichev wrote:
>>
>>
Quote:
>>>Hello
>>>I know this. The file isn't on an NTFS disk, but in a Novel NetWare
>
> network.
>
Quote:
Quote:
>>>Thanks for your reply anyway.
>>>"Andrej Budja [MVP]" <andrej@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>>news:ivf6kvk7bb0slfvrsjnbeab0f5hle7ocj9@4ax.com ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>You cannot set a password for a file in Windows XP. You can protect
>>>>your files by using the NTFS file system. This file system allows you
>>>>to define what users can do with your files. In your case you could
>>>>deny access to all users for this file. This is done by right clicking
>>>>the file, selecting properties and then going to the Security tab.
>>>>
>>>>Andrej
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:29:18 +0400, "Dmitriy Kopnichev"
>>>><kopn@hotbox.ru> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hello
>>>>>How to forbid others opening my backup *.bkf file? How to set a
>
> password
>
Quote:
Quote:
>>>for
>>>
>>>
>>>>>opening my backup *.bkf file?
>>>>
>>>
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Old 08-20-2003, 01:19 PM   #8 (permalink)
Default Re: How to forbid others opening my backup *.bkf file? How to set a password for opening my backup *.bkf file?

Thanks for your reply!
I changed my password so the Netware administrator doesn't know my password
anymore.
Others have only user access to my Workstation. My documents and setting are
set private.
Where to download free encryption program?

"Rob Schneider" <rmschne@stripthisoutbeebstripthisout.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
> I'll put your three points into one to improve the thread of this
> discussion:
>
>
> ==============
> Thanks for your reply.
> The file is in an assigned to me folder. But a Netware network
administrator
Quote:
> can open the *.bkf file. How to forbid him opening? How to with Novell's
> utilities make this file accessible only to my id?
>
> The Netware network administrator can open the *.bkf file because he knows
> my password.
>
> Can a Netware network administrator know my password which was set from my
> workstation? Can he open files or folders in my private "home" folder?
> ================
>
>
> You've given new information now to say that "others" is the network
> admininstrator ... that's different.
>
> I am puzzled why your network admin knows our password. That doesn't
> sound secure in the base case. Normall network admins should not know
> that. And by policy, they should be prevented from accesing people's
> folders. This would be a *policy* enforceable by management. I've seen
> companies where network admins get fired if they do this.
>
> It is possible that yokur network admin cannot get into your
> workstation, but it all depends on how your organisation setup your
> workstation and access to network. It certainly is possible they know
> the admin password or otherwise can access.
>
> There is probably nothing preventing network admins, or someone with
> admin id/password from seeing anything on your computer. With physical
> access to your computer, one can get in.
>
> To hide the backup file, you should consider encrypting it with some
> encryption too with a password known only to you. You can buy such a
> program, or get free by download downlaod somehere.
>
> That being said the network admin can probaably access the source data,
> so what's the point of protecting the backup? For you to consider.
>
> Talk to your network admin and find out from him/her the company
> policies, if they can access, and the degree of privacy you actually
> have and are allowed.
>
>
> Dmitriy Kopnichev wrote:
>
Quote:
> > Can a Netware network administrator know my password which was set from
my
Quote:
Quote:
> > workstation? Can he open files or folders in my private "home" folder?
> > "Rob Schneider" <rmschne@stripthisoutbeebstripthisout.net> wrote in
message
Quote:
Quote:
> > news:OcqaCJwZDHA.2284@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> >
Quote:
> >>Can't you with Novell's utilties make this file/folder accessible only
> >>to your id? Have you setup private "home" folders for all users? It
> >>would be natural to put it there.
> >>
> >>Dmitriy Kopnichev wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hello
> >>>I know this. The file isn't on an NTFS disk, but in a Novel NetWare
> >
> > network.
> >
Quote:
> >>>Thanks for your reply anyway.
> >>>"Andrej Budja [MVP]" <andrej@mvps.org> wrote in message
> >>>news:ivf6kvk7bb0slfvrsjnbeab0f5hle7ocj9@4ax.com ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>You cannot set a password for a file in Windows XP. You can protect
> >>>>your files by using the NTFS file system. This file system allows you
> >>>>to define what users can do with your files. In your case you could
> >>>>deny access to all users for this file. This is done by right clicking
> >>>>the file, selecting properties and then going to the Security tab.
> >>>>
> >>>>Andrej
> >>>>
> >>>>On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:29:18 +0400, "Dmitriy Kopnichev"
> >>>><kopn@hotbox.ru> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hello
> >>>>>How to forbid others opening my backup *.bkf file? How to set a
> >
> > password
> >
Quote:
> >>>for
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>opening my backup *.bkf file?
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Old 08-20-2003, 01:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Dmitriy Kopnichev wrote:

*snip*
Quote:
> Where to download free encryption program?
>
*snip*

Sorry, I have no recommendations on that, but I've snipped out the
extraneous stuff on this thread so that others can more easily see this
question and possibly give guidance.

If you have XP Pro with NTFS encryption of files and file systems is
possible.


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Old 08-20-2003, 01:40 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Yes. I have XP Pro.
"Encrypted files can become decrypted if you copy or move the file to a
volume that is not an NTFS volume" is written in the Help and Support.
The NetWare volume has NWFS file system.
Will encrypted in NTFS files be encrypted in NWFS?
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>
> *snip*
>
Quote:
> > Where to download free encryption program?
> >
> *snip*
>
> Sorry, I have no recommendations on that, but I've snipped out the
> extraneous stuff on this thread so that others can more easily see this
> question and possibly give guidance.
>
> If you have XP Pro with NTFS encryption of files and file systems is
> possible.
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