IDE drives as ATA in System Properties

> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the damned IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>

>
> http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pc...afq2.htm#ss2.2
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>
>
>
> John.
>

> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>
>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as a
>> backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then turned
>> ATA off in BIOS but still the damned IDE drives were playing up. I
>> attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling the
>> drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to the
>> system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image backup
>> to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA being
>> disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE drives
>> as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>
>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>

>
> http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pc...afq2.htm#ss2.2
> "2.2 IDE and ATA
> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive itself,
> thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware implementations
> easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in the disk drive
> industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost alternative. Since
> the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has become the drive of
> choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>
> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>

>
> "John E" <JCE@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0DC49C37-92EA-4FA6-BCD1-B58524568343@microsoft.com...

>> "Diamontina Cocktail" <lrb@australia.com> wrote in message
>> news:OBUsbmpUHHA.1364@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>I don't normally use ATA as anything other than backup purely because C
>>>drive has always been an IDE on this machine and I am not really wanting
>>>to muck about with that for it. After all it isn't an expensive
>>>motherboard so I am waiting till later this year before I replace it.
>>>
>>> Anyway, in the meantime, I needed more backup space so put an ATA in as
>>> a backup drive only and what do you know, the minute it does, the IDE
>>> drives go haywire, wanting to be installed all the time AS ATA drives. I
>>> got sick of this, disconnected the ATA drive (the only 1) and then
>>> turned ATA off in BIOS but still the damned IDE drives were playing up.
>>> I attempted to make them show up as normal IDE drives by reinstalling
>>> the drivers but it only resulted in both drives not being available to
>>> the system and Vista refusing to boot. So I did a restore from image
>>> backup to a day ago and still without the ATA drive attached and ATA
>>> being disabled in bios, when it came back to Windows, it shows the IDE
>>> drives as their model name and "ATA device" when they are IDE.
>>>
>>> So, does anyone have any idea how to make the drives KNOW that they are
>>> IDE again please? Thanks.
>>>

>>
>> http://burks.brighton.ac.uk/burks/pc...afq2.htm#ss2.2
>> "2.2 IDE and ATA
>> IDE (Integrated Drive Electronics--or numerous other interpretations) and
>> ATA (AT Attachment) are one and the same thing: a disk drive
>> implementation designed to integrate the controller onto the drive
>> itself, thereby reducing interface costs, and making firmware
>> implementations easier. This low cost/easy integration created a boom in
>> the disk drive industry, as PC integrators readily ate up the low-cost
>> alternative. Since the late 80's, ATA (as it is properly called) has
>> become the drive of choice for the cost inhibited buyer."
>>
>> Maybe you shouldn't disable ATA in the BIOS.
>>

>
> Thanks for that. I did disable SATA in Bios only to see what happens to
> the drives. Anyway that explains it.
>
> Interesting footnote - the ACTUALLY SATA drive on the system is now
> working properly whereas it wouldn't work reliably until this point. For
> reasons unknown it would want to be installed every time I reboot. I tried
> all sorts of things to no avail, including trying to get it to search "C"
> drive for a driver. It didn't find one. Finally, I told it to search in
> system32 and wonder of wonders, not only did it install properly, it
> stuck, this time.
>
> Dunno what that was all about but was seriously considering a fresh
> install. At least I don't have to, now.
>

>
> Thanks for the reply. I have found setting up SATA in the BIOS is
> extremely confusing (at least on my Asus Motherboard). I usually end up
> trying various combinations of settings, to see which one works.
>
> John.