Internet security

"Krew" <Krew.317q02@no-mx.forums.net> skrev i melding
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> Ok ..i just reformatted my harddrives to putthem in raid and also to do
> a clean install of vista 64bit and i come to find out that mcafee is not
> compatible with the 64bit version..
>
> so heres the question..what internet security suite do you guys use and
> what is the best in your oppinions?

This topic has been discussed many times:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities...xp=&sloc=en-us

Charlie42

Krew wrote:

> Ok ..i just reformatted my harddrives to putthem in raid and also to do
> a clean install of vista 64bit and i come to find out that mcafee is not
> compatible with the 64bit version..
>
> so heres the question..what internet security suite do you guys use and
> what is the best in your oppinions?
>
>

You'll get nearly as many differing opinions as you will responses.

I'll start by saying that I don't think any security "suite" is a
good choice. It'd be better to use smaller, less-resource-draining
stand-alone products. And, having had personal experience with
Verizon's business practices, I certainly wouldn't trust anything they
offer. Even if the product/service itself is fine, there'll be hidden
costs and "unadvertised" conditions and limitations associated with it.

I used, and recommended, Norton Antivirus and then Norton Internet
Security, for many years, on Win98, WinNT, Win2K, and WinXP, all without
any significant problems. I had used McAfee prior to that. But it's
been several years since I've been tempted to try McAfee products. Their
quality seemed to take a steep nose-dive after they were acquired by
Network Associates.

However, when my subscription to Symantec's updates for Norton
Internet Security 2002 came up for renewal (at a cost substantially
higher than the preceding year's subscription), I decided to try less
expensive solutions. I downloaded and installed the free version of
GriSoft's AVG (http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_dwnl_free.php ). It proved
to be easily installed, easy to use, and quite effective. Additionally,
I was pleasantly surprised to see a small but very noticeable
improvement in my PC's performance, once I'd replaced the Symantec
product. Another free (for personal use) anti-virus product is AVAST! 4
Home Edition (http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html), which is what
I'm currently using without problems on Vista Business.

For a recent comparison of anti-virus products:

Retrospective / ProActive Test
http://www.av-comparatives.org/

As for a firewall, Vista's built-in solution is more than adequate
for most consumers' needs. While it's not quite up to the ease-of-use
standards of Kerio or ZoneAlarm, it has been improved over WinXP's version.

There are two interfaces for Vistas built-in firewall:

1) A simplified one accessed through the Control Panel that is the only
one most people see. Sphinx's Vista Firewall Control
http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/) is a piece of freeware that makes the
Vista Firewall much more useful to the average user.

2) And the more advanced "Windows Firewall with Advanced Security
(WF.msc), accessed via the Start Menu's Administrative Tools folder, for
the experienced user who wants more granular control.

If you prefer something a bit "chattier," Comodo Firewall Pro is free
for personal use.


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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 02:23:56 -0600, Krew <Krew.317q02@no-mx.forums.net>
wrote:

>
> Ok ..i just reformatted my harddrives to putthem in raid and also to do
> a clean install of vista 64bit and i come to find out that mcafee is not
> compatible with the 64bit version..

Consider yourself fortunate. Next to Norton, McAfee is probably the
worst security software available.

> so heres the question..what internet security suite do you guys use and
> what is the best in your oppinions?

I am almost never interested in software suites of any kind, whether
security, office, or anything else. I prefer to make my own choices of
which is the best product in each category, and not accept what any
particular vendor has cobbled together.

I recommend that you do the same.

I use the free ZoneAlarm firewall, the free Avast anti-virus program,
and a combination of the following free anti-spyware programs:

Spybot Search and Destroy
Adaware
Spyware Blaster
Windows Defender
Super Antispyware

Note that a single anti-spyware product--even the best one--is *not*
good enough. Note what Eric Howes, who has done extensive testing on
Anti-Spyware products, states:

"No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the
best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one
quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries" See
http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm


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Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:17:49 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote:

>I use the free ZoneAlarm firewall, the free Avast anti-virus program,
>and a combination of the following free anti-spyware programs:
>
>Spybot Search and Destroy
>Adaware
>Spyware Blaster
>Windows Defender
>Super Antispyware

Good luck. Go ahead bragging about being an MVP - you obviously don't
have a clue about computer security.

>Note that a single anti-spyware product--even the best one--is *not*
>good enough. Note what Eric Howes, who has done extensive testing on
>Anti-Spyware products, states:
>
>"No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the
>best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one
>quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries" See
>http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm

Against modern malware, the very idea of "removal tools" is completely
flawed.

Remember "Joshua" from War Games? By playing tic-tac-toe it teaches
itself that there are games that are better not played.

yeah ive always had multiple anti spyware programs on my computer...i
was just pissed about he mcafee incompatibiltiy cause i really like the
choice cookie blocker they had


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On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:36:02 -0700, Janski1 wrote:

> Welcome any views on CA Internet Security Plus +2GB Flash Drive

Assembling your own 'security suite' is a better alternative.
Here are some suggestions.

You are not going to find anything better than the Vista FW and Vista in
itself due to the advanced features the FW and Vista are using.

PFW Criticism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona...all#Criticisms

"Personal Firewalls" are mostly snake-oil.
http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html

Jesper's Blogs-
At Least This Snake Oil Is Free.
http://msinfluentials.com/blogs/jesp...l-is-free.aspx
Windows Firewall: the best new security feature in Vista?
http://blogs.technet.com/jesper_joha...01/426921.aspx

Exploring The Windows Firewall.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tec...l/default.aspx
"If you try to block outbound connections from a computer that’s already
compromised, how can you be sure that the computer is really doing what you
ask? The answer: you can’t. Outbound protection is security theater—it’s a
gimmick that only gives the impression of improving your security without
doing anything that actually does improve your security. This is why
outbound protection didn’t exist in the Windows XP firewall and why it
doesn’t exist in the Windows Vista™ firewall."

Tap into the Vista firewall's advanced configuration features
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...7-6098592.html
"...once you discover the secret of accessing its advanced configuration
settings via the MMC snap-in, you'll find it to be far more configurable
and functional. At last, Windows comes with a sophisticated personal
firewall that can be used to set up outbound rules as well as inbound, with
the ability to customize rules to fit your precise needs."
Or
Configure Vista Firewall to support outbound packet filtering
http://searchwindowssecurity.techtar...247138,00.html
Or
Vista Firewall Control (Free versions available).
Protects your applications from undesirable network incoming and outgoing
activity, controls applications internet access.
http://sphinx-soft.com/Vista/

There are many good free AV applications available, and almost everyone has
his favorite. Most of the users are emotionally attached to their av
application and will have excellent reasons for not recommending any other
brand.
The most important thing here is that all of the available choices listed
here are better in some respects than in others, and which choice is better
for *you* depends on what you do, how you work, and which features you use.
The way you use your PC is different from others.
Have a look at this:
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm
and be guided accordingly.
Good info can be obtained here:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/page.php?id=20
and here:
http://www.av-comparatives.org/

If the above is too deluging consider this:-
Real-time AV applications - for viral malware.
Do not utilize more than one (1) real-time anti-virus scanning engine!
Disable the e-mail scanning function during installation (Custom
Installation on some AV apps.) as it provides no additional protection.

Why You Don't Need Your Anti-Virus Program to Scan Your E-Mail
http://thundercloud.net/infoave/tuto...ning/index.htm

Avira AntiVir® PersonalEdition Classic - Free
http://www.free-av.com/antivirus/allinonen.html
You may wish to consider removing the 'AntiVir Nagscreen'
http://www.elitekiller.com/files/dis...ntivir_nag.htm
or
Free antivirus - avast! 4 Home Edition
It includes ANTI-SPYWARE protection, certified by the West Coast Labs
Checkmark process, and ANTI-ROOTKIT DETECTION based on the best-in class
GMER technology.
http://www.avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html
(Choose Custom Installation and under Resident
Protection, uncheck: Internet Mail and Outlook/Exchange.)
or
AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition
http://free.grisoft.com/
(Choose custom install and untick the email scanner plugin.)
or
Kaspersky® Anti-Virus 7.0 - Not Free
http://www.kaspersky.com/homeuser
or
ESET NOD32 Antivirus - Not Free
http://www.eset.com/
and (optional)
On-demand AV application.
(add it to your arsenal and use it as a "second opinion" av scanner).
David H. Lipman's MULTI_AV.EXE (Vista and XP)from the URL:
http://www.pctipp.ch/ds/28400/28470/Multi_AV.exe
http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
English:
http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/...irus-for-free/

A-S applications - for non-viral malware.
The effectiveness of an individual A-S scanners can be wide-ranging and
oftentimes a collection of scanners is best. There isn't one software that
cleans and immunizes you against everything. That's why you need multiple
products to do the job i.e. overlap their coverage - one may catch what
another may miss, (grab'em all).

SuperAntispyware - Free
http://www.superantispyware.com/supe...freevspro.html
and
Ad-Aware 2007 - Free
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php
http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html
and
Spybot Search & Destroy - Free
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html
and
Windows Defender - Free (build-in in Vista)
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...e/default.mspx
WD monitors the start-registry and hooks registers/files to prevent spyware
and worms to install to the OS.
Interesting reading:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136195/article.html
"...Windows Defender did excel in behavior-based protection, which detects
changes to key areas of the system without having to know anything about
the actual threat."

A clarification on the terminology: the word "malware" is short for
"malicious software." Most Anti-Virus applications detect many types of
malware such as viruses, worms, trojans, etc.
What AV applications usually don't detect is "non-viral" malware, and the
term "non-viral malware" is normally used to refer to things like spyware
and adware.

Some more useful applications:
SpywareBlaster - Free
"SpywareBlaster is not a scanner application. It blocks the installation of
most ActiveX-based spyware, adware, browser hijackers, dialers and other
unwanted programs from the user's computer".
http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html

GMER - is an application that detects and removes rootkits.
http://www.gmer.net/index.php

Rootkit Revealer - Free
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sys...tRevealer.mspx

CCleaner - Free
Cleans temporary internet files, cookies, history, recent urls, application
MRUs, etc. ...
http://www.filehippo.com/download_ccleaner/
If Windows Defender is utilized go to Applications, under Utilities
uncheck "Windows Defender".

CW Shredder - Free
Is the premier tool to find and remove traces of CoolWebSearch – the name
for a wide range of insidious browser hijackers– from your PC.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Interne...Shredder.shtml

--
Your computer is most likely to fail at a time when you need it most.
(Bill Husted,CNS)

Internet Security suites are bloated, and try to be everything to everybody;
and fail dismally!
Below is what I use, and recommend.

What is the question about the Flash Drive?

Vista’s Firewall is very good!

http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

Above is a link to Avast Free 4 Home Anti-Virus
It is low resource using, free and Vista 32bit and 64bit compatible.
Only have one (1) anti-virus installed; more than 1 can cause conflicts.

http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html

For Spyware removal, use the above link to “Spybot Search & Destroy 1.5.2�
Download it, install it, update it, immunize your system and scan your
System with it.

http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/

For a non-scanning, but running in the background, Program to STOP Spyware
being downloaded to your Computer, use SpywareBlaster 4, available at the
above link.

--
Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


"Janski1" wrote:

> Welcome any views on CA Internet Security Plus +2GB Flash Drive
> --
> Getting paid to Travel, what a concept