Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next ver

Posted: 07-11-2008, 03:10 PM
Please take a look at this:
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/07/11/3541592.htm

Numerous articles like this have appeared on the Web about businesses and
government organizations not wanting to deploy Vista in their environments.
The one above is about the FAA not wanting to do so, and I read one article
recently about Intel not wanting to deploy Vista either.

It has become common knowledge that security features like UAC and Windows
Defender in Vista have put a lot of thieves out of business. Obviously these
people have a lot of influence, if they can convince the FAA, Intel, etc.
that Vista is bad for their employees.

And now the consensus that they want to reach that they'll keep XP and keep
ripping people off until Windows 7 is released.

So, here's my question: Is Microsoft being pressured to retract features
like UAC and Windows Defender from Windows 7? And will Microsoft cave in?

Thanks.

Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next ver


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Carey Frisch [MVP]
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Re: Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next ver
Posted: 07-11-2008, 03:44 PM
You are asking a question relating to a future Windows operating system
that no one in this peer-to-peer newsgroup can answer. Try
back in about a year or so. In the meantime, here is some information
you can read and digress:

Inside Windows Vista User Account Control
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/m.../cc138019.aspx

Understanding and Configuring User Account Control in Windows Vista
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Window...8c2811033.mspx

User Account Control
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/w.../aa905113.aspx


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"SPEnthusiast" <SPEnthusiast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:0D25230A-2D50-41FC-8FA1-E2421C83CE8D@microsoft.com...
Please take a look at this:
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/07/11/3541592.htm

Numerous articles like this have appeared on the Web about businesses and
government organizations not wanting to deploy Vista in their environments.
The one above is about the FAA not wanting to do so, and I read one article
recently about Intel not wanting to deploy Vista either.

It has become common knowledge that security features like UAC and Windows
Defender in Vista have put a lot of thieves out of business. Obviously these
people have a lot of influence, if they can convince the FAA, Intel, etc.
that Vista is bad for their employees.

And now the consensus that they want to reach that they'll keep XP and keep
ripping people off until Windows 7 is released.

So, here's my question: Is Microsoft being pressured to retract features
like UAC and Windows Defender from Windows 7? And will Microsoft cave in?

Thanks.

Nonny
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Re: Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next ver
Posted: 07-11-2008, 04:04 PM
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:10:00 -0700, SPEnthusiast
<SPEnthusiast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>So, here's my question: Is Microsoft being pressured to retract features
>like UAC and Windows Defender from Windows 7? And will Microsoft cave in?
Your guess is as good as anyone's here. We're all just commun Vista
users and don't work for MS.
Pete Delgado
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Re: Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next ver
Posted: 07-11-2008, 04:56 PM

"SPEnthusiast" <SPEnthusiast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0D25230A-2D50-41FC-8FA1-E2421C83CE8D@microsoft.com...
> Please take a look at this:
> http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/07/11/3541592.htm
>
> Numerous articles like this have appeared on the Web about businesses and
> government organizations not wanting to deploy Vista in their
> environments.
> The one above is about the FAA not wanting to do so, and I read one
> article
> recently about Intel not wanting to deploy Vista either.
The reasons many govenrment institutions and businesses don't want to
upgrade are many and they don't all center around UAC.

For some, hardware budgets and training come into play. For others, legacy
applications that are critical to the business are the concern. For some,
waiting for Windows Server 2008 and all the related technologies so that all
the interrelated technologies can be implemented and configured is the
reason. Finally, for some the sage advice "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
is at play.

To state that UAC is the reason many have not upgraded is an
oversimplification and completely ignores the history of such major
upgrades.

-Pete


Fmjc001
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Re: Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next ver
Posted: 07-11-2008, 05:31 PM

I hope they keep the UAC. It means you can feel safe on your computer.


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SPEnthusiast
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Re: Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next
Posted: 07-11-2008, 06:29 PM
I don't think a company like Intel is restrained by any kind of budget that
would not allow an OS upgrade across the enterprise.

These "legacy applications that are crtical to the business" that you've
mentioned are engineered to spy on people and rob them, which is why these
businesses and government organizations can't deploy Vista. UAC would break
those apps.

I'm using Vista with Windows Server 2003 as my domain controller, and
everything works fine. I'll soon deploy Windows Server 2008, but it's no
excuse to not deploy Vista.

Like I said, Vista exposes a lot of thieves.


"Pete Delgado" wrote:
>
> "SPEnthusiast" <SPEnthusiast@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0D25230A-2D50-41FC-8FA1-E2421C83CE8D@microsoft.com...
> > Please take a look at this:
> > http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2008/07/11/3541592.htm
> >
> > Numerous articles like this have appeared on the Web about businesses and
> > government organizations not wanting to deploy Vista in their
> > environments.
> > The one above is about the FAA not wanting to do so, and I read one
> > article
> > recently about Intel not wanting to deploy Vista either.
>
> The reasons many govenrment institutions and businesses don't want to
> upgrade are many and they don't all center around UAC.
>
> For some, hardware budgets and training come into play. For others, legacy
> applications that are critical to the business are the concern. For some,
> waiting for Windows Server 2008 and all the related technologies so that all
> the interrelated technologies can be implemented and configured is the
> reason. Finally, for some the sage advice "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"
> is at play.
>
> To state that UAC is the reason many have not upgraded is an
> oversimplification and completely ignores the history of such major
> upgrades.
>
> -Pete
>
>
>
John Amendall
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Re: Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next ver
Posted: 07-11-2008, 06:41 PM
On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:31:32 -0500, Fmjc001 <guest@unknown-email.com>
wrote:
>I hope they keep the UAC. It means you can feel safe on your computer.
I turned it completely off. I feel safe AND I don't get all those
damned popup screens every time I try to do something more complicated
than surf the web or do email.
Charlie Tame
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Re: Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next
Posted: 07-11-2008, 10:30 PM
SPEnthusiast wrote:
> I don't think a company like Intel is restrained by any kind of budget that
> would not allow an OS upgrade across the enterprise.
>
> These "legacy applications that are crtical to the business" that you've
> mentioned are engineered to spy on people and rob them, which is why these
> businesses and government organizations can't deploy Vista. UAC would break
> those apps.
>
> I'm using Vista with Windows Server 2003 as my domain controller, and
> everything works fine. I'll soon deploy Windows Server 2008, but it's no
> excuse to not deploy Vista.
>
> Like I said, Vista exposes a lot of thieves.
>

How the hell does UAC expose thieves?
Charlie Tame
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Re: Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the nextver
Posted: 07-11-2008, 10:35 PM
Fmjc001 wrote:
> I hope they keep the UAC. It means you can feel safe on your computer.
>
>

But you're not safe, you are no safer than you were before, there is
nothing new about UAC, it just used to be called common sense.

If you answer yes to everything UAC has done nothing, you are infected.
Very similar safeguards were possible with XP, almost nobody used them.

So all it has done is make you "Feel" safe, and if that is what it takes
you make you feel safe you likely never will be.
Beoweolf
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Re: Is MS being pressured to retract the UAC feature from the next
Posted: 07-12-2008, 12:40 AM
It's a common misunderstanding - what you don't see can't hurt you. Similar
to an outdated image of an Ostrich with his head in the sand, thinking if he
can't see you - you can see him.

Vista UAC, security exposes many of the "hidden" (surreptitious) uses/users
of administrator level rights and/or attempts to access network resources.
As mention, if you know what you are doing, if you take the time to
study/research/learn your system and most importantly - if you care...you
can be just as "safe" using XP. What Vista does is makes secure, the default
option. This is in line with any Security professional training, not to
mention common sense.

The average user, those that have enjoyed the benefits of blissful
ignorance, have also enjoyed the ability to blame the Evil Empire for
leaving so many holes in Microsoft Clients and servers. Generally speaking,
the absence if page upon page of complaints about Microsoft security have
come at the expense of numbers of users, companies and Govt's now
complaining that Vista is somehow flawed as a result of it being built to
insist on security, from installation thru production use.

Thou dost protest too much? There obviously is a learning curve, for
hardware vendors - who chose to ignore years of warning, reams of documents
explaining how this OS would not allow "shortcuts" which expose the Kernel
to compromises. Software vendors and users were and are painfully made aware
of the same issue Business as usual - Ain't no more.

Take the time (better use, just use pre-configured policy and templates) to
configure your system (do yourself a favor - give those 8, 16 and off brand
32 bit cards a fitting funeral, they earned it); yes, become the informed
user who has complained about security for so long - now that it is here ...
whining about "It's too good" just doesn't make sense.


"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
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> SPEnthusiast wrote:
>> I don't think a company like Intel is restrained by any kind of budget
>> that would not allow an OS upgrade across the enterprise.
>>
>> These "legacy applications that are crtical to the business" that you've
>> mentioned are engineered to spy on people and rob them, which is why
>> these businesses and government organizations can't deploy Vista. UAC
>> would break those apps.
>>
>> I'm using Vista with Windows Server 2003 as my domain controller, and
>> everything works fine. I'll soon deploy Windows Server 2008, but it's no
>> excuse to not deploy Vista.
>>
>> Like I said, Vista exposes a lot of thieves.
>>
>
>
> How the hell does UAC expose thieves?
 
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