ISP Download Limits

That would suck. Typical plan for me... unlimited.

"Grumpy" <Grumpy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> ISP Download Limits
>
> Downloading Vista beta2 or a HD Movie?
>
> Watch you usage if on a limit plan, as both are about 4GB per
> download and most ISP's charge once you go over your monthly limit.
>
> Typical ISP plans for home users:
>
> Download speed 8mbps, upload speed 256kbps.
> Unlimited,
> 20GB limit per month,
> 60GB limit per month,
> 120GB limit per month.
>
> Download speed 18mbps, upload speed 512kbps.
> Unlimited,
> 20GB limit per month,
> 60GB limit per month,
> 120GB limit per month.
>
> Download speed 22mbps, upload speed 1mbps.
> Unlimited,
> 30GB limit per month,
> 60GB limit per month,
> 120GB limit per month,
> 200GB limit per month.
>
> These plans vary in different countries, also some ISP's will slow
> unlimited plans, once 10 or 20GB is reached, so alway check how
> much allowance you have left before, cueing large downloads like HD
> movie or Vista beta2.
>
> If you download 10 HD movies thats usually about 10 x 4 GB = 40GB.
>
> if you download both 32bit and 64bit Vista beta2 thats about 4 + 3 = 7GB

Same in my area, no limits from any ISP's here..I've heard that it's pretty
common in the US though *shrug*


"The Dude" <thedude@thisisnotmyrealaddress.com> wrote in message
news:uOFhqjYjGHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> That would suck. Typical plan for me... unlimited.
>
> "Grumpy" <Grumpy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B1E6FF57-73E8-4047-995E-0535E5BB5216@microsoft.com...

>> ISP Download Limits
>>
>> Downloading Vista beta2 or a HD Movie?
>>
>> Watch you usage if on a limit plan, as both are about 4GB per
>> download and most ISP's charge once you go over your monthly limit.
>>
>> Typical ISP plans for home users:
>>
>> Download speed 8mbps, upload speed 256kbps.
>> Unlimited,
>> 20GB limit per month,
>> 60GB limit per month,
>> 120GB limit per month.
>>
>> Download speed 18mbps, upload speed 512kbps.
>> Unlimited,
>> 20GB limit per month,
>> 60GB limit per month,
>> 120GB limit per month.
>>
>> Download speed 22mbps, upload speed 1mbps.
>> Unlimited,
>> 30GB limit per month,
>> 60GB limit per month,
>> 120GB limit per month,
>> 200GB limit per month.
>>
>> These plans vary in different countries, also some ISP's will slow
>> unlimited plans, once 10 or 20GB is reached, so alway check how
>> much allowance you have left before, cueing large downloads like HD
>> movie or Vista beta2.
>>
>> If you download 10 HD movies thats usually about 10 x 4 GB = 40GB.
>>
>> if you download both 32bit and 64bit Vista beta2 thats about 4 + 3 = 7GB

>

In some backward countrys like Australia, and the South Pacific Island
Counrtys they have what is called 'Shaping'

Shaping' is when the maximum data speeds for your ADSL or Cable
Unlimited downloads/uploads plan are deliberately slowed by the ISP,
also called ‘capping’ or ‘throttling’.

If you are on an ADSL or Cable Unlimited downloads/uploads plan, the ISP
will 'shape' your service once your data usage exceeds 10 GB in a single
month. This helps ensure that all the ISP's Broadband users can enjoy fair
and equitable access to the network.

The upload and download speeds will be limited to 64 kilobits per second
(kbps) for all usage beyond 10 GB for the remainder of the current billing
period. The service speeds returns to ‘normal’ from the beginning of the next
billing period (normally the 1st of the next month).

Source:
http://bigpond.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...r/std_adp.php?
p_faqid=9109&display=content&p_platform=N

In Australia which is the size of Europe but with only 20 million people the
ISP's say they have to "shape" (Slow) the unlimited service, or go broke.
What rubbish.


"Bones" wrote:

> Same in my area, no limits from any ISP's here..I've heard that it's pretty
> common in the US though *shrug*
>
>
> "The Dude" <thedude@thisisnotmyrealaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:uOFhqjYjGHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > That would suck. Typical plan for me... unlimited.
> >
> > "Grumpy" <Grumpy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:B1E6FF57-73E8-4047-995E-0535E5BB5216@microsoft.com...

> >> ISP Download Limits
> >>
> >> Downloading Vista beta2 or a HD Movie?
> >>
> >> Watch you usage if on a limit plan, as both are about 4GB per
> >> download and most ISP's charge once you go over your monthly limit.
> >>
> >> Typical ISP plans for home users:
> >>
> >> Download speed 8mbps, upload speed 256kbps.
> >> Unlimited,
> >> 20GB limit per month,
> >> 60GB limit per month,
> >> 120GB limit per month.
> >>
> >> Download speed 18mbps, upload speed 512kbps.
> >> Unlimited,
> >> 20GB limit per month,
> >> 60GB limit per month,
> >> 120GB limit per month.
> >>
> >> Download speed 22mbps, upload speed 1mbps.
> >> Unlimited,
> >> 30GB limit per month,
> >> 60GB limit per month,
> >> 120GB limit per month,
> >> 200GB limit per month.
> >>
> >> These plans vary in different countries, also some ISP's will slow
> >> unlimited plans, once 10 or 20GB is reached, so alway check how
> >> much allowance you have left before, cueing large downloads like HD
> >> movie or Vista beta2.
> >>
> >> If you download 10 HD movies thats usually about 10 x 4 GB = 40GB.
> >>
> >> if you download both 32bit and 64bit Vista beta2 thats about 4 + 3 = 7GB

> >

>
>
>

We get shaped after 40Gigs....so far it's only happened once ;o)
(Netspace).

--
Jane, not plain 64bit enabled
Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation

"Grumpy" <Grumpy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3F6E0874-42B8-492B-930F-6DFADC76EA47@microsoft.com...

> In some backward countrys like Australia, and the South Pacific Island
> Counrtys they have what is called 'Shaping'
>
> Shaping' is when the maximum data speeds for your ADSL or Cable
> Unlimited downloads/uploads plan are deliberately slowed by the ISP,
> also called ‘capping’ or ‘throttling’.
>
> If you are on an ADSL or Cable Unlimited downloads/uploads plan, the ISP
> will 'shape' your service once your data usage exceeds 10 GB in a single
> month. This helps ensure that all the ISP's Broadband users can enjoy fair
> and equitable access to the network.
>
> The upload and download speeds will be limited to 64 kilobits per second
> (kbps) for all usage beyond 10 GB for the remainder of the current billing
> period. The service speeds returns to ‘normal’ from the beginning of the
> next
> billing period (normally the 1st of the next month).
>
> Source:
> http://bigpond.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...r/std_adp.php?
> p_faqid=9109&display=content&p_platform=N
>
> In Australia which is the size of Europe but with only 20 million people
> the
> ISP's say they have to "shape" (Slow) the unlimited service, or go broke.
> What rubbish.
>
>

On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:29:38 +0300, "John Jay Smith" <-> wrote:

>No user should tolerate any sort of bandwidth limit unless they need to cut
>the cost at an absolute minimum.
>
>Change ISPs...

I would LOVE to do that. But there IS NO OTHER ISP which carries
broadband out here in the Boondocks. We must use Satellite or dialup,
or "Pony Express". There ARE no other choices. I've talked to
Comcast (the cable company here in the Spokane area), and they just
laugh at me when I ask them when the Cable will reach our house. Then
they say "never!". They just can't make any money, the folks out here
are so far apart.

Since dialup is not an option with modern machines in the Boondocks
(our normal dialup speeds range between 0k-23k), we must put up with
the download limits set on us by Wildblue Satellite - a flat
8gb/month, after which we are "FAPPED" until the next month.

>
>
>
>"Grumpy" <Grumpy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:B1E6FF57-73E8-4047-995E-0535E5BB5216@microsoft.com...

>> ISP Download Limits
>>
>> Downloading Vista beta2 or a HD Movie?
>>
>> Watch you usage if on a limit plan, as both are about 4GB per
>> download and most ISP's charge once you go over your monthly limit.
>>
>> Typical ISP plans for home users:
>>
>> Download speed 8mbps, upload speed 256kbps.
>> Unlimited,
>> 20GB limit per month,
>> 60GB limit per month,
>> 120GB limit per month.
>>
>> Download speed 18mbps, upload speed 512kbps.
>> Unlimited,
>> 20GB limit per month,
>> 60GB limit per month,
>> 120GB limit per month.
>>
>> Download speed 22mbps, upload speed 1mbps.
>> Unlimited,
>> 30GB limit per month,
>> 60GB limit per month,
>> 120GB limit per month,
>> 200GB limit per month.
>>
>> These plans vary in different countries, also some ISP's will slow
>> unlimited plans, once 10 or 20GB is reached, so alway check how
>> much allowance you have left before, cueing large downloads like HD
>> movie or Vista beta2.
>>
>> If you download 10 HD movies thats usually about 10 x 4 GB = 40GB.
>>
>> if you download both 32bit and 64bit Vista beta2 thats about 4 + 3 = 7GB

>

==

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread and newsgroup.
================================================== ===

On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:06:02 -0700, Grumpy
<Grumpy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>In some backward countrys like Australia, and the South Pacific Island
>Counrtys they have what is called 'Shaping'
>
>Shaping' is when the maximum data speeds for your ADSL or Cable
>Unlimited downloads/uploads plan are deliberately slowed by the ISP,
>also called ‘capping’ or ‘throttling’.
>
>If you are on an ADSL or Cable Unlimited downloads/uploads plan, the ISP
>will 'shape' your service once your data usage exceeds 10 GB in a single
>month. This helps ensure that all the ISP's Broadband users can enjoy fair
>and equitable access to the network.
>
>The upload and download speeds will be limited to 64 kilobits per second
>(kbps) for all usage beyond 10 GB for the remainder of the current billing
>period. The service speeds returns to ‘normal’ from the beginning of the next
>billing period (normally the 1st of the next month).
>
>Source:
>http://bigpond.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/...r/std_adp.php?
>p_faqid=9109&display=content&p_platform=N
>
>In Australia which is the size of Europe but with only 20 million people the
>ISP's say they have to "shape" (Slow) the unlimited service, or go broke.
>What rubbish.

Here in the US, in the BoonDocks ("the Outback"), the satellite
companies have a similar policy, called "FAPPING". Satellite is the
ONLY way to get broadband service out here in the Wilderness.

There is no such thing as "unlimited service" with Satellite
providers, unless you work for the Government or Armed Forces.

>
>
>"Bones" wrote:
>

>> Same in my area, no limits from any ISP's here..I've heard that it's pretty
>> common in the US though *shrug*
>>
>>
>> "The Dude" <thedude@thisisnotmyrealaddress.com> wrote in message
>> news:uOFhqjYjGHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> > That would suck. Typical plan for me... unlimited.
>> >
>> > "Grumpy" <Grumpy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:B1E6FF57-73E8-4047-995E-0535E5BB5216@microsoft.com...
>> >> ISP Download Limits
>> >>
>> >> Downloading Vista beta2 or a HD Movie?
>> >>
>> >> Watch you usage if on a limit plan, as both are about 4GB per
>> >> download and most ISP's charge once you go over your monthly limit.
>> >>
>> >> Typical ISP plans for home users:
>> >>
>> >> Download speed 8mbps, upload speed 256kbps.
>> >> Unlimited,
>> >> 20GB limit per month,
>> >> 60GB limit per month,
>> >> 120GB limit per month.
>> >>
>> >> Download speed 18mbps, upload speed 512kbps.
>> >> Unlimited,
>> >> 20GB limit per month,
>> >> 60GB limit per month,
>> >> 120GB limit per month.
>> >>
>> >> Download speed 22mbps, upload speed 1mbps.
>> >> Unlimited,
>> >> 30GB limit per month,
>> >> 60GB limit per month,
>> >> 120GB limit per month,
>> >> 200GB limit per month.
>> >>
>> >> These plans vary in different countries, also some ISP's will slow
>> >> unlimited plans, once 10 or 20GB is reached, so alway check how
>> >> much allowance you have left before, cueing large downloads like HD
>> >> movie or Vista beta2.
>> >>
>> >> If you download 10 HD movies thats usually about 10 x 4 GB = 40GB.
>> >>
>> >> if you download both 32bit and 64bit Vista beta2 thats about 4 + 3 = 7GB
>> >

>>
>>
>>

==

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread and newsgroup.
================================================== ===

Donald L McDaniel, wrote:

>Here in the US, in the BoonDocks ("the Outback"), the satellite
>companies have a similar policy, called "FAPPING". Satellite is the
>ONLY way to get broadband service out here in the Wilderness.
>
>There is no such thing as "unlimited service" with Satellite
>providers, unless you work for the Government or Armed Forces.

Out in the BoonDocks, rural life, wonderful, peace and quiet.

Back in 1982, 1992 and about 2002 there were serious attempts to
deliver free internet by RF (radio frequency).

Back in1982 we didn't have popular PC's as such, and by 1992 the
internet was beginning to mature into a usable service. In 2002 there
were a few independent TV stations jumped on the free internet by RF,
and even small set top box kits appeared in electronic magazines and
fully imported ready to work boxes were sold, but sadly the whole free
internet by RF died, all we have today is 100-200 metre wi-fi hot spots, 10-
12 Klms area super wi-fi hot spots, long range delivery of free internet
services by RF never became a reality out side of the amateur ham radio
hobbyist. Even the AmSat (Hams) and amateur GlobeSats (Ham)
experiments to deliver internet to rural areas did not prove viable.

Many countries have commercial TV, free to the viewer, but free to the
user internet never gained popularity in most countries.

Some rural folk do apparently use terrestrial RF delivery of their internet
rather
than commercial or amateur satellite delivery, I think they just basically
plug a Barrett transceiver into their PC, while at the other end a similar
setup is interfaced to the internet backbone via a normal ISP over the
local cable or ADSL phone line, such setups are limited by the reliable
range of the transceiver usually about 1,500-2,000klm depending upon
topography, aerial array, etc.

Free Internet for everyone by 2012 Please !

Internet by RF

Internet over HF/VHF Radio
(example PNG South Pacific, there are similar systems world wide)
http://www.online.net.pg/hftext.htm

Tadiran communications
http://duns100.dundb.co.il/vp/600028625/index.html

HF SW Services
http://www.ipunwired.com/news/news-2002.html