Re: mpeg4 container, 3gp, 3gpp, xvid, divx, 264, and all the other for

>
> cwdjrxyz wrote:

> > Oneshot wrote:

> > > My question is:
> > > Since Windows Movie Maker OR Windows Media Encoder will not import
> > > mp4/mpeg4, Microsoft has left many of us with no alternitive but to move to
> > > other encoding and movie makeing software.
> > >
> > > Will Microsoft include conversion of this "Main Stream" format in the future
> > > to these 2 programs?
> > >
> > > If I need to convert with other programs mp4/Mpeg4 to avi then to wmv (what
> > > a hassle if it works at all) , I may as well just leave it mp4 and go to QT.
> > > (Google UTube complaines about .wmv's and would rather have .mpeg4's)
> > >
> > > I prefer .wmv for web progressive download and streaming but the codecs the
> > > encoder and Movie Maker accepts have much to be desired.

> >
> >
> > I have no idea what Microsoft, Real, Apple, or Flash may do in the
> > future. I do know we are in the middle of a media format war, many
> > think there is money to be made in downloads, and all are fighting for
> > their formats. Thus it is no surprise that the Windows encoder converts
> > to wmv and wma but not Real media files, and the Real encoder converts
> > to Real files, but not Windows files. If you work with various media
> > formats, you can get a few things for free from Microsoft, Real, etc.,
> > and there are a few free programs. However you likely will have to buy
> > some programs to encode into some formats from other formats. And some
> > of the newer formats require a software provider to pay their owner if
> > they are used in their programs.
> >
> > You can provide multi formats and multi bit rates, but the format wars
> > do not make this easy. I have a few examples on my site at the URLs:
> >
> > http://www.cwdjr.info/temp/video_multiFormat2.php
> >
> > http://www.cwdjr.info/temp/video_multiBR3.php
> >
> > http://www.cwdjr.info/broadbandMedia.../cancanMP4.php
> >
> > The last example is a MP4, and it is set up to play on a recent Real
> > player. To be able to see all of the videos here, you will need recent
> > versions of the WMP, Real player, QT player, and Flash installed. Some
> > examples require a good broadband connection of over 2Mbps to stream
> > well without a long delay for buffering. The quality of the videos in
> > the various formats can not be well compared, because different bit
> > rates and qualities of format converters were used for the various
> > video files.

>
> I find that the QT player and Nero Showtime will play my mp4 movie
> example as well as Real. You need to open the player and input the
> actual url rather than a playlist url into it. In Showtime you input
> the url into the open file box. The actual media url for my example is
> http://www.cwdjr.info/movie/cancan.mp4 . For someone that happens to
> have a fairly recent set of Nero programs on their computer and does
> not have Real or QT players, Nero's Showtime might be very useful for
> playing mp4 movies.
>
>

> I think you have missed the picture here (no pun intended).
>
> I have seen in a PapaJohn post about windows movie maker having support for
> MP4/Mpeg4. "Please read carefully">>
>
> http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/Pa...-4_Movies.aspx
>
> I was wondering if the new verson supports it also OR has it been taken out
> of Windows movie Maker all together?
>
> If it's still here in 2.1, where is it?
> If it's not, where can I download an old version of Windows Movie maker that
> has it?
>
> As I said in my first post "Quote" > My question is:
> Since Windows Movie Maker OR Windows Media Encoder will not import
> mp4/mpeg4, Microsoft has left many of us with no alternitive but to move to
> other encoding and movie makeing software.
>
> Will Microsoft include conversion of this "Main Stream" format in the future
> to these 2 programs?
>
>
> I have no problems "Playing or recording" MP4/Mpeg4/3gp/Divx/xvid....etc.
> they are all basicly MP4. Windows media player will play them all
>
> I think a Microsoft person would be better qualified to answer these
> questions.
> BUT, If anyone else knows these answers I would be greatfull for their input!
>
> Oneshot
>
>
>
>
> "cwdjrxyz" wrote:
>

> >
> > cwdjrxyz wrote:

> > > Oneshot wrote:
> > > > My question is:
> > > > Since Windows Movie Maker OR Windows Media Encoder will not import
> > > > mp4/mpeg4, Microsoft has left many of us with no alternitive but to move to
> > > > other encoding and movie makeing software.
> > > >
> > > > Will Microsoft include conversion of this "Main Stream" format in the future
> > > > to these 2 programs?
> > > >
> > > > If I need to convert with other programs mp4/Mpeg4 to avi then to wmv (what
> > > > a hassle if it works at all) , I may as well just leave it mp4 and go to QT.
> > > > (Google UTube complaines about .wmv's and would rather have .mpeg4's)
> > > >
> > > > I prefer .wmv for web progressive download and streaming but the codecs the
> > > > encoder and Movie Maker accepts have much to be desired.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have no idea what Microsoft, Real, Apple, or Flash may do in the
> > > future. I do know we are in the middle of a media format war, many
> > > think there is money to be made in downloads, and all are fighting for
> > > their formats. Thus it is no surprise that the Windows encoder converts
> > > to wmv and wma but not Real media files, and the Real encoder converts
> > > to Real files, but not Windows files. If you work with various media
> > > formats, you can get a few things for free from Microsoft, Real, etc.,
> > > and there are a few free programs. However you likely will have to buy
> > > some programs to encode into some formats from other formats. And some
> > > of the newer formats require a software provider to pay their owner if
> > > they are used in their programs.
> > >
> > > You can provide multi formats and multi bit rates, but the format wars
> > > do not make this easy. I have a few examples on my site at the URLs:
> > >
> > > http://www.cwdjr.info/temp/video_multiFormat2.php
> > >
> > > http://www.cwdjr.info/temp/video_multiBR3.php
> > >
> > > http://www.cwdjr.info/broadbandMedia.../cancanMP4.php
> > >
> > > The last example is a MP4, and it is set up to play on a recent Real
> > > player. To be able to see all of the videos here, you will need recent
> > > versions of the WMP, Real player, QT player, and Flash installed. Some
> > > examples require a good broadband connection of over 2Mbps to stream
> > > well without a long delay for buffering. The quality of the videos in
> > > the various formats can not be well compared, because different bit
> > > rates and qualities of format converters were used for the various
> > > video files.

> >
> > I find that the QT player and Nero Showtime will play my mp4 movie
> > example as well as Real. You need to open the player and input the
> > actual url rather than a playlist url into it. In Showtime you input
> > the url into the open file box. The actual media url for my example is
> > http://www.cwdjr.info/movie/cancan.mp4 . For someone that happens to
> > have a fairly recent set of Nero programs on their computer and does
> > not have Real or QT players, Nero's Showtime might be very useful for
> > playing mp4 movies.
> >
> >

> I have no problems "Playing or recording" MP4/Mpeg4/3gp/Divx/xvid....etc.
> they are all basicly MP4. Windows media player will play them all