David H. Lipman
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Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Posted: 12-12-2008, 09:11 PM
From: "~BD~" <BoaterDave@hotmail.co.uk>


| If you were to tell us the name of the organization for which you work I
| might better understand your general attitude, Mr Lipman.

| Does it have a web site to which I, and other readers, may refer? If so,
| maybe you should use it as a replacement signature. What do *you* think?

| BDave

My signature is fully conforming to Usenets standards as it is less that four lines long
and URLs in signatures are not spam.

The Adobeforums is semi-private. That is you must authenticate to post to the the
Adobeforums (have and account and password). It is semi-private because it has a one-way
propogation to Usenet. Posts and replys made at the Adobeforums propogate to Usenet.
Posts and replys made on Usenet do not propogate back to the Adobeforums. Therefore they
DO have the right to set limiting rules that are non conforming to Usenet standards.

As to the organization for which I work...
That's none of you f'n business and is NOT for public consumption, especially in an
International forum. There are reasons why this *must* be done and I can't even explain
why because it falls into the category of too much information.

Yes, we have web sites. There are Wikis on us too. Some of "our" web sites are public.
Other web sites you and other not in the "family" can not access, them even at the root
level.


--
Dave
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MowGreen [MVP]
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Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Posted: 12-12-2008, 11:03 PM
Leonard Grey wrote:
> So what? You could say the same thing about Microsoft software
> ("responsible for *MANY* people being infected with malware
> due to [their] overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.")
>
> On the other hand, I've been using and updating Java (and Microsoft
> software) forever and yet none of my computers have ever been infected
> by any type of malware.
>
> All software is riddled with vulnerabilities waiting to be exploited, so
> let's not focus on the villain-of-the-month. Or maybe I'll get out my
> soapbox for Comcast. Urrr...don't get me started.
> ---
> Leonard Grey
> Errare humanum est
>
I've already filed a complaint about Comcast with the FCC which they are
'still investigating'

capiche; ceviche ... one understands dead fish, sí ?


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============

Leonard Grey
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Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Posted: 12-13-2008, 01:47 AM
Si, si amigo ;-)
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

MowGreen [MVP] wrote:
> Leonard Grey wrote:
>
>> So what? You could say the same thing about Microsoft software
>> ("responsible for *MANY* people being infected with malware
>> due to [their] overwhelming number and consistency of vulnerabilities.")
>>
>> On the other hand, I've been using and updating Java (and Microsoft
>> software) forever and yet none of my computers have ever been infected
>> by any type of malware.
>>
>> All software is riddled with vulnerabilities waiting to be exploited,
>> so let's not focus on the villain-of-the-month. Or maybe I'll get out
>> my soapbox for Comcast. Urrr...don't get me started.
>> ---
>> Leonard Grey
>> Errare humanum est
>>
>
> I've already filed a complaint about Comcast with the FCC which they are
> 'still investigating'
>
> capiche; ceviche ... one understands dead fish, sí ?
>
>
> MowGreen [MVP 2003-2009]
> ===============
> *-343-* FDNY
> Never Forgotten
> ===============
>
Anteaus
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Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Posted: 12-17-2008, 09:38 AM
Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For
some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has
to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident portion
to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every
once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of the
system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers.
David H. Lipman
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Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Posted: 12-17-2008, 11:32 AM
From: "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com>

| Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For
| some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software has
| to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident portion
| to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run every
| once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of the
| system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers.

This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday, in DOS, it was
Terminate and Stay Redsident.

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FromTheRafters
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Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Posted: 12-17-2008, 05:32 PM

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:eiwTgsDYJHA.6036@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> From: "Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com>
>
> | Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing.
> For
> | some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software
> has
> | to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident
> portion
> | to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run
> every
> | once-in-a-long-while to perform its task. A large part of the work of
> the
> | system-installer is in cleaning-out this garbage from new computers.
>
> This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday,
> in DOS, it was
> Terminate and Stay Redsident.
I recall having a discussion long ago about trend GUI's had for the
completely
unnecessary, precious cycle stealing, animations being displayed during move
or
copy operations. It's just one of those things - a bigger garage ends up
holding
a greater amount of crap - in fact you would think that since it was
apparenty
*designed* to hold more crap, you are obliged to collect more just to make
it
happy. Beyond that, evidently, you opt in for a crap-preloaded (happy)
garage
and pay the installer to remove most of it.

)


Vadim Rapp
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Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Posted: 12-18-2008, 02:19 PM
> This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday,
> in DOS, it was
> Terminate and Stay Redsident.
I'm sure there's difference in the intention. TSR was still for some
practical purposes, important or not, and was invisible. The purpose of
today's tray icon, as I understand, is usually to remind the user about the
"value-added" vendor and create the hope of buying full version of the junk
supplied with the system. What's most remarkable is not even the deception
itself but the fact that the vendor actually believes that this marketing
idiocy is good business and promotes their title. Some users probably indeed
buy it - the same effect of big numbers as with any spam sent to millions.
One notable example is this company Hilgraeve that Microsoft have been
licensing lauphable HyperTerminal from for X years - they still do exist,
and it's easy to figure out why.


Vadim Rapp
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Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Posted: 12-18-2008, 02:27 PM
"Anteaus" <Anteaus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:<7BB03887-6D52-4883-A9F8-510AA60FFA54@microsoft.com>...
> Toolbars and system-tray icons are a malaise of present-day computing. For
> some reason best known to coders, it seems that every piece of software
> has
> to (a) add a toolbar to browsers, and (b) install a memory-resident
> portion
> to support a system-tray icon, even if the software only needs to run
> every
> once-in-a-long-while to perform its task.
They believe it's good marketing. The interesting question is who is more
stupid and who is paying whom - "value-added" vendors to the system
integrator for allowing their junk into the system because they believe it's
good marketing, or integrator to the vendors because it believes that the
junk actually adds value to the system.


David H. Lipman
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Re: MSN Toolbar included with Sun Java Security 'updates'
Posted: 12-18-2008, 09:33 PM
From: "Vadim Rapp" <nospam@sbcglobal.net>
>> This has always been the case. Today it is system tray-icons. Yesterday,
>> in DOS, it was
>> Terminate and Stay Redsident.
| I'm sure there's difference in the intention. TSR was still for some
| practical purposes, important or not, and was invisible. The purpose of
| today's tray icon, as I understand, is usually to remind the user about the
| "value-added" vendor and create the hope of buying full version of the junk
| supplied with the system. What's most remarkable is not even the deception
| itself but the fact that the vendor actually believes that this marketing
| idiocy is good business and promotes their title. Some users probably indeed
| buy it - the same effect of big numbers as with any spam sent to millions.
| One notable example is this company Hilgraeve that Microsoft have been
| licensing lauphable HyperTerminal from for X years - they still do exist,
| and it's easy to figure out why.


Nope. Its the same. Its a program "stub" in memoy.

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