NTLDR is missing

Posted: 10-07-2003, 07:51 PM
I have an XPe image deployed to an Industrial PC.
My image is stable, it's an release version that can be booted, cloned, and
used normally.
The question is, after some days of use, during the boot, the message "NTLDR
is missing" is displayed.
The file NTLDR is on the root directory, and was not deleted.
Please, anyone has any idea of what happened???

Why file NTLDR is not "read only" and "hidden" on XPe if it is on XP Pro???

Thanks a lot,

Carlos Vieira


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Carlos Vieira
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Re: NTLDR is missing
Posted: 10-08-2003, 12:35 PM
In my HD I have created 2 NTFS partitions, and I use norton ghost (2003) to
clone disks in order to do mass deployment. Ghost command line (create disk,
identical brand, from image file):

ghost.exe -clone,mode=restore,src=r:\sb6000\sb6000dh.gho,dst= 1 -sure -batch

Partition 1 is marked as active, and contais the master image. Partition 2
is empty.

Please if anyone has any kind of information, not necessarily related to
this exact case, answer me.
Thanks a lot.

"Carlos Vieira" <carlos.vieira@bematech.com.br> escreveu na mensagem
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> I have an XPe image deployed to an Industrial PC.
> My image is stable, it's an release version that can be booted, cloned,
and
> used normally.
> The question is, after some days of use, during the boot, the message
"NTLDR
> is missing" is displayed.
> The file NTLDR is on the root directory, and was not deleted.
> Please, anyone has any idea of what happened???
>
> Why file NTLDR is not "read only" and "hidden" on XPe if it is on XP
Pro???
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Carlos Vieira
>
>

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Doug Hoeffel \(eMVP\)
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Re: NTLDR is missing
Posted: 10-08-2003, 02:17 PM
Carlos:

I'm not sure how big your HD, but check out MS KB #Q224526.

A few things about your switches for ghost... since you are not using the
SZE switches, i.e. SZE1=F, then when you deploy ghost is resizing your 2
partitions to divide your disk, i.e. if you have a 50 Gb HD, then both your
partitions would then be 25 Gb. I bet you don't want this to happen ... ;-)

HTH... Doug
"Carlos Vieira" <carlos.vieira@bematech.com.br> wrote in message
news:uuSSliZjDHA.2060@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> In my HD I have created 2 NTFS partitions, and I use norton ghost (2003)
to
> clone disks in order to do mass deployment. Ghost command line (create
disk,
> identical brand, from image file):
>
>
ghost.exe -clone,mode=restore,src=r:\sb6000\sb6000dh.gho,dst= 1 -sure -batch
>
> Partition 1 is marked as active, and contais the master image. Partition 2
> is empty.
>
> Please if anyone has any kind of information, not necessarily related to
> this exact case, answer me.
> Thanks a lot.
>
> "Carlos Vieira" <carlos.vieira@bematech.com.br> escreveu na mensagem
> news:%23wfE3xQjDHA.3340@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > I have an XPe image deployed to an Industrial PC.
> > My image is stable, it's an release version that can be booted, cloned,
> and
> > used normally.
> > The question is, after some days of use, during the boot, the message
> "NTLDR
> > is missing" is displayed.
> > The file NTLDR is on the root directory, and was not deleted.
> > Please, anyone has any idea of what happened???
> >
> > Why file NTLDR is not "read only" and "hidden" on XPe if it is on XP
> Pro???
> >
> > Thanks a lot,
> >
> > Carlos Vieira
> >
> >
>
>

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Carlos Vieira
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Re: NTLDR is missing
Posted: 10-08-2003, 07:39 PM
Thanks Doug, but KB #Q224526 refers only to Win NT 4.0, right? I think I
didn't get your point of view.

Thanks for the tips with ghost.

Carlos Vieira

"Doug Hoeffel (eMVP)" <doug.hoeffelNO@SPAMcamtronics.com> escreveu na
mensagem news:%23BUU0aajDHA.2060@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Carlos:
>
> I'm not sure how big your HD, but check out MS KB #Q224526.
>
> A few things about your switches for ghost... since you are not using the
> SZE switches, i.e. SZE1=F, then when you deploy ghost is resizing your 2
> partitions to divide your disk, i.e. if you have a 50 Gb HD, then both
your
> partitions would then be 25 Gb. I bet you don't want this to happen ...
;-)
>
> HTH... Doug
> "Carlos Vieira" <carlos.vieira@bematech.com.br> wrote in message
> news:uuSSliZjDHA.2060@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > In my HD I have created 2 NTFS partitions, and I use norton ghost (2003)
> to
> > clone disks in order to do mass deployment. Ghost command line (create
> disk,
> > identical brand, from image file):
> >
> >
>
ghost.exe -clone,mode=restore,src=r:\sb6000\sb6000dh.gho,dst= 1 -sure -batch
> >
> > Partition 1 is marked as active, and contais the master image. Partition
2
> > is empty.
> >
> > Please if anyone has any kind of information, not necessarily related to
> > this exact case, answer me.
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> > "Carlos Vieira" <carlos.vieira@bematech.com.br> escreveu na mensagem
> > news:%23wfE3xQjDHA.3340@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > I have an XPe image deployed to an Industrial PC.
> > > My image is stable, it's an release version that can be booted,
cloned,
> > and
> > > used normally.
> > > The question is, after some days of use, during the boot, the message
> > "NTLDR
> > > is missing" is displayed.
> > > The file NTLDR is on the root directory, and was not deleted.
> > > Please, anyone has any idea of what happened???
> > >
> > > Why file NTLDR is not "read only" and "hidden" on XPe if it is on XP
> > Pro???
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot,
> > >
> > > Carlos Vieira
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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Doug Hoeffel \(eMVP\)
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Re: NTLDR is missing
Posted: 10-08-2003, 07:47 PM
Carlos:

The KB article was simply a FYI, as I just did a quick google search for
ntldr problems. I didn't verify if it applies to XP. I'll leave that to
you... ;-)

HTH... Doug
"Carlos Vieira" <carlos.vieira@bematech.com.br> wrote in message
news:#cy8tPdjDHA.1004@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Doug, but KB #Q224526 refers only to Win NT 4.0, right? I think I
> didn't get your point of view.
>
> Thanks for the tips with ghost.
>
> Carlos Vieira
>
> "Doug Hoeffel (eMVP)" <doug.hoeffelNO@SPAMcamtronics.com> escreveu na
> mensagem news:%23BUU0aajDHA.2060@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Carlos:
> >
> > I'm not sure how big your HD, but check out MS KB #Q224526.
> >
> > A few things about your switches for ghost... since you are not using
the
> > SZE switches, i.e. SZE1=F, then when you deploy ghost is resizing your 2
> > partitions to divide your disk, i.e. if you have a 50 Gb HD, then both
> your
> > partitions would then be 25 Gb. I bet you don't want this to happen ...
> ;-)
> >
> > HTH... Doug
> > "Carlos Vieira" <carlos.vieira@bematech.com.br> wrote in message
> > news:uuSSliZjDHA.2060@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > In my HD I have created 2 NTFS partitions, and I use norton ghost
(2003)
> > to
> > > clone disks in order to do mass deployment. Ghost command line (create
> > disk,
> > > identical brand, from image file):
> > >
> > >
> >
>
ghost.exe -clone,mode=restore,src=r:\sb6000\sb6000dh.gho,dst= 1 -sure -batch
> > >
> > > Partition 1 is marked as active, and contais the master image.
Partition
> 2
> > > is empty.
> > >
> > > Please if anyone has any kind of information, not necessarily related
to
> > > this exact case, answer me.
> > > Thanks a lot.
> > >
> > > "Carlos Vieira" <carlos.vieira@bematech.com.br> escreveu na mensagem
> > > news:%23wfE3xQjDHA.3340@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > I have an XPe image deployed to an Industrial PC.
> > > > My image is stable, it's an release version that can be booted,
> cloned,
> > > and
> > > > used normally.
> > > > The question is, after some days of use, during the boot, the
message
> > > "NTLDR
> > > > is missing" is displayed.
> > > > The file NTLDR is on the root directory, and was not deleted.
> > > > Please, anyone has any idea of what happened???
> > > >
> > > > Why file NTLDR is not "read only" and "hidden" on XPe if it is on XP
> > > Pro???
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot,
> > > >
> > > > Carlos Vieira
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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mike-ca
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ntldr is missing
Posted: 11-08-2006, 07:11 PM
i built a image and create a *.sdi file. then i run the command:
>sdimgr image.sdi /writedisk:0 /yes
after reboot, i got the error message: "ntldr is missing"

the disk i used to create the *sdi file is slightly different from the
disk i used to write the *.sdi file to. if i use the same kind of
disks, reboot is fine.

is this something related to disk parameters?

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JS
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Re: ntldr is missing
Posted: 11-08-2006, 10:25 PM
Check that the boot.ini file is correct.

"mike-ca" <bosanovav1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>i built a image and create a *.sdi file. then i run the command:
>
>>sdimgr image.sdi /writedisk:0 /yes
>
> after reboot, i got the error message: "ntldr is missing"
>
> the disk i used to create the *sdi file is slightly different from the
> disk i used to write the *.sdi file to. if i use the same kind of
> disks, reboot is fine.
>
> is this something related to disk parameters?
>

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Re: ntldr is missing
Posted: 11-08-2006, 10:28 PM
JS,

boot.ini file is fine.

on the target system, if i use the exact same kind of disk as the one i
used to create the *.sdi, this works fine. but if i use a slightly
different disk on the target system, this problem occurs...

thanks


JS wrote:
> Check that the boot.ini file is correct.
>
> "mike-ca" <bosanovav1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1163016689.989526.9720@f16g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
> >i built a image and create a *.sdi file. then i run the command:
> >
> >>sdimgr image.sdi /writedisk:0 /yes
> >
> > after reboot, i got the error message: "ntldr is missing"
> >
> > the disk i used to create the *sdi file is slightly different from the
> > disk i used to write the *.sdi file to. if i use the same kind of
> > disks, reboot is fine.
> >
> > is this something related to disk parameters?
> >
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Re: ntldr is missing
Posted: 11-09-2006, 12:18 AM
mike,

Sounds like partition boot record gets wrong parameters when you deploy the SDI file to another disk.
You can explore the boot sector with apps like WinHex and see the difference. Try to compare the boot sector (PBR actually) of the
second disk before you deployed the SDI image and after. This is assuming that you'd had the same file system (NTFS?) bootable on
that disk prior to the SDI deployment.

Btw, it seems like a wrong approach to use the same SDI file on two different disks.

--
=========
Regards,
KM
> JS,
>
> boot.ini file is fine.
>
> on the target system, if i use the exact same kind of disk as the one i
> used to create the *.sdi, this works fine. but if i use a slightly
> different disk on the target system, this problem occurs...
>
> thanks
>
>
> JS wrote:
>> Check that the boot.ini file is correct.
>>
>> "mike-ca" <bosanovav1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1163016689.989526.9720@f16g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
>> >i built a image and create a *.sdi file. then i run the command:
>> >
>> >>sdimgr image.sdi /writedisk:0 /yes
>> >
>> > after reboot, i got the error message: "ntldr is missing"
>> >
>> > the disk i used to create the *sdi file is slightly different from the
>> > disk i used to write the *.sdi file to. if i use the same kind of
>> > disks, reboot is fine.
>> >
>> > is this something related to disk parameters?
>> >
>

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Re: ntldr is missing
Posted: 11-09-2006, 11:22 PM
KM,

actually one disk worked.. anyway, i agree with you. the sdi file
should be used on the same type of disk created it, not the different
disk, no matter how slight that difference is...

thanks


KM wrot
> mike,
>
> Sounds like partition boot record gets wrong parameters when you deploy the SDI file to another disk.
> You can explore the boot sector with apps like WinHex and see the difference. Try to compare the boot sector (PBR actually) of the
> second disk before you deployed the SDI image and after. This is assuming that you'd had the same file system (NTFS?) bootable on
> that disk prior to the SDI deployment.
>
> Btw, it seems like a wrong approach to use the same SDI file on two different disks.
>
> --
> =========
> Regards,
> KM
>
> > JS,
> >
> > boot.ini file is fine.
> >
> > on the target system, if i use the exact same kind of disk as the one i
> > used to create the *.sdi, this works fine. but if i use a slightly
> > different disk on the target system, this problem occurs...
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
> > JS wrote:
> >> Check that the boot.ini file is correct.
> >>
> >> "mike-ca" <bosanovav1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1163016689.989526.9720@f16g2000cwb.googlegrou ps.com...
> >> >i built a image and create a *.sdi file. then i run the command:
> >> >
> >> >>sdimgr image.sdi /writedisk:0 /yes
> >> >
> >> > after reboot, i got the error message: "ntldr is missing"
> >> >
> >> > the disk i used to create the *sdi file is slightly different from the
> >> > disk i used to write the *.sdi file to. if i use the same kind of
> >> > disks, reboot is fine.
> >> >
> >> > is this something related to disk parameters?
> >> >
> >
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