Overly agressive filtering by Windows Mail on Low Setting - a BIG problem and a suggested solution.

> Try using a message rule based upon the To field and not the from field.
> That should let you discriminate the listserver or whatever messages.
>
> steve
>
> "Al" <AlTheElder@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eJUTd5vzGHA.4368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> 1. I receive a lot of email from mailing lists that are NOT newsgroups in
>> the technical sense. In my very limited (a couple hours up with the
>> august build but several hundred pieces of mail) experience with Windows
>> Mail, I'm getting way too many false positives - good mail in the junk
>> folder.
>>
>> 2. This is on the low setting. I'd hate to see what the high setting did.
>> The low setting also had false negatives but that is to be expected.
>>
>> 3. SUGGESTION - Windows Mail has has blocked senders / safe senders
>> lists. They are absolutely useless in this situation because the number
>> of senders is so large. (I am assuming that a safe sender is one whose
>> name is on the From line.)
>>
>> What is needed in this case is a blocked recipients / safe recipients
>> list. I could then enter a mailing list address or domain name as a safe
>> recipient and be done with it.
>>
>> Alternatively, it could be a bit more list centric and allow for the
>> entry of safe and blocked lists.
>>
>> None of this is easy. Even contents of the From line is not allways good.
>> In the best of all possible worlds, a user could bring up an email
>> message, and click on a command that says this is from a safe mailing
>> list. Windows Mail could then examine the headers for things that it
>> could use to match in the future.
>>
>> Unfortunately the lists that I belong two are not Microsoft owned, so I
>> don't even know the way that MSN communities work. But I'll be blunt. The
>> anti-trust boys and girls will have a field day if MSN community email
>> makes it through the filters and those from competative operations don't.
>>
>> Given that I save roughly 100 MB of mail per day, if this isn't fixed
>> I'll go back to doing it the OE way. Turn off junk mail filtering,
>> through in a message rule or two, and wear down the delete key.
>>
>> If Microsoft personnel care to contact me on this I'd be happy to supply
>> more details.
>>
>> BTW: enter "safe sender email" into the help search in Windows Mail. The
>> results are NOT amusing. They continue to argue for Microsoft buying out
>> google, firing the folk at Microsoft who work on search and letting the
>> google folk take that over. I have yet to meet an MS search engine that
>> holds a candle to google, and from conversations I've had neither have MS
>> road warriors:-)
>>
>> Hmmm .... on further reflection I see a possible solution. I'll try using
>> the mail rules to route the stuff. UNFORTUNATELY message rules don't
>> allow you to route to the Inbox. Also it remains to be seen how mail
>> rules interact with the junk mail filter.
>>
>> Here's hoping its not to late to remedy this.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Al Christoph
>> Three Bears Software, LLC
>> Microsoft Certified Partner, ISV
>> just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
>> Working to have Windows Mail tools ready for Vista Launch

>

> 1. I receive a lot of email from mailing lists that are NOT newsgroups in
> the technical sense. In my very limited (a couple hours up with the august
> build but several hundred pieces of mail) experience with Windows Mail,
> I'm getting way too many false positives - good mail in the junk folder.
>
> 2. This is on the low setting. I'd hate to see what the high setting did.
> The low setting also had false negatives but that is to be expected.
>
> 3. SUGGESTION - Windows Mail has has blocked senders / safe senders lists.
> They are absolutely useless in this situation because the number of
> senders is so large. (I am assuming that a safe sender is one whose name
> is on the From line.)
>
> What is needed in this case is a blocked recipients / safe recipients
> list. I could then enter a mailing list address or domain name as a safe
> recipient and be done with it.
>
> Alternatively, it could be a bit more list centric and allow for the entry
> of safe and blocked lists.
>
> None of this is easy. Even contents of the From line is not allways good.
> In the best of all possible worlds, a user could bring up an email
> message, and click on a command that says this is from a safe mailing
> list. Windows Mail could then examine the headers for things that it could
> use to match in the future.
>
> Unfortunately the lists that I belong two are not Microsoft owned, so I
> don't even know the way that MSN communities work. But I'll be blunt. The
> anti-trust boys and girls will have a field day if MSN community email
> makes it through the filters and those from competative operations don't.
>
> Given that I save roughly 100 MB of mail per day, if this isn't fixed I'll
> go back to doing it the OE way. Turn off junk mail filtering, through in a
> message rule or two, and wear down the delete key.
>
> If Microsoft personnel care to contact me on this I'd be happy to supply
> more details.
>
> BTW: enter "safe sender email" into the help search in Windows Mail. The
> results are NOT amusing. They continue to argue for Microsoft buying out
> google, firing the folk at Microsoft who work on search and letting the
> google folk take that over. I have yet to meet an MS search engine that
> holds a candle to google, and from conversations I've had neither have MS
> road warriors:-)
>
> Hmmm .... on further reflection I see a possible solution. I'll try using
> the mail rules to route the stuff. UNFORTUNATELY message rules don't allow
> you to route to the Inbox. Also it remains to be seen how mail rules
> interact with the junk mail filter.
>
> Here's hoping its not to late to remedy this.
>
> Regards,
> Al Christoph
> Three Bears Software, LLC
> Microsoft Certified Partner, ISV
> just right software @ just right prices @ 3bears.biz
> Working to have Windows Mail tools ready for Vista Launch