Programs to work with vista RC1

I can see your point about getting rid of legacy programs. But my (and many
others') problem is with older hardware where the manufacturer will not
issue new drivers. For example, my HP scanner will not work in Vista, and
I've read comments elsewhere that many people are having problems with HP
scanners. My hardware is perfectly fine - all it needs is a proper driver.
But if HP won't issue it, this will force me to buy a new scanner. HP not
only saves the cost of keeping its old hardware up to date, but makes a
profit from people having to unecessarily replace their products.


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It is entirely up to the programs author/manufacturer if they want to
> issue a free update or offer a new and compatible program - for a fee.
>
> Any time a new operating system is released we all go through these
> problems. Some programs can be made to work, others can not. Sometimes
> lowly computer users figure a way around these problems and post their
> findings on the web.
>
> Anyway, it's a good time to get rid of those older legacy programs that
> have already been superseded, three times over, with newer versions of the
> program.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
>
> "freeway29" <freeway29@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>>i have noticed that alot of programs wont run on vista like pinnacle
>>studio
>> 9.4 and roxio 6 will they work when they bring it out fully or do you
>> have
>> to get new programs.

>
>

"Tim" wrote

>I can see your point about getting rid of legacy programs. But my (and
>many others') problem is with older hardware where the manufacturer will
>not issue new drivers. For example, my HP scanner will not work in Vista,
>and I've read comments elsewhere that many people are having problems with
>HP scanners. My hardware is perfectly fine - all it needs is a proper
>driver. But if HP won't issue it, this will force me to buy a new scanner.
>HP not only saves the cost of keeping its old hardware up to date, but
>makes a profit from people having to unecessarily replace their products.

The same thing happened with scanners in the transition from win9x to XP.

--

Rock [ MVP User/Shell]

Programs that do something useful, unlike hardware, don't, "wear out." If I
can still do what I want to do with an old program, then it isn't superceded
by the latest and greatest. For example, I don't use 90% of the features in
Word 2002. Office 2003 has a bunch of new features, but nothing that I need
since there is nothing lacking in Word 2002 for what I use it for. I also
thought that Microsoft put a lot of effort into making Vista an OS that would
work with legacy programs better than XP. I bring up the word processor
example because when it gets down to it, how many features do I need to write
an effective letter, be it for business, formal use or just for personal
correspondence? Keystrokes are the same since the keyboards, as stupid as
kwerty layouts are concerned nothing has been done to superced what is
obviously stupid. My fingers are trained to use a kwerty keyboard, but all
the fastest typists in the world use a Dvorak layout since it makes the most
sense.

I find that arguements that a new OS means one should expect to have to get
new software don't wash. Hardware, as it is, is backwards compatible. I can
still load DOS on a high-end box if I want! That is how backwards compatible
hardware is. Why software isn't is because of a bias toward wanting to drive
sales of new programs, not because of technical reason. Windows Vista-capable
machines should easily be able to emulate a dos environement if an
application needed it.

Out in the real world, outside of offices, many machines can only be
connected to for software diagnostics through a serial port. Industrial
machines that cost millions of dollars don't get upgraded like office
machines do. There is a whole world of legacy software that has to be run to
keep many machines going because the manufacturers of those machines will
never change their controllers to keep up with computer hardware changes.

"Rock" wrote:

> "Tim" wrote
>

> >I can see your point about getting rid of legacy programs. But my (and
> >many others') problem is with older hardware where the manufacturer will
> >not issue new drivers. For example, my HP scanner will not work in Vista,
> >and I've read comments elsewhere that many people are having problems with
> >HP scanners. My hardware is perfectly fine - all it needs is a proper
> >driver. But if HP won't issue it, this will force me to buy a new scanner.
> >HP not only saves the cost of keeping its old hardware up to date, but
> >makes a profit from people having to unecessarily replace their products.

>
>
> The same thing happened with scanners in the transition from win9x to XP.
>
> --
>
> Rock [ MVP User/Shell]
>
>

Just as Microsoft is no longer supporting Win98, because it would be a
massive rewrite to bring it into compliance with todays security specs, you
may find that some of your favorite programs (by others) may fall into that
same catagory. It is called progress. At times you just have to abandon
something that you like for something new.



--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Insight Driver" <InsightDriver@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Programs that do something useful, unlike hardware, don't, "wear out." If
> I
> can still do what I want to do with an old program, then it isn't
> superceded
> by the latest and greatest. For example, I don't use 90% of the features
> in
> Word 2002. Office 2003 has a bunch of new features, but nothing that I
> need
> since there is nothing lacking in Word 2002 for what I use it for. I also
> thought that Microsoft put a lot of effort into making Vista an OS that
> would
> work with legacy programs better than XP. I bring up the word processor
> example because when it gets down to it, how many features do I need to
> write
> an effective letter, be it for business, formal use or just for personal
> correspondence? Keystrokes are the same since the keyboards, as stupid as
> kwerty layouts are concerned nothing has been done to superced what is
> obviously stupid. My fingers are trained to use a kwerty keyboard, but all
> the fastest typists in the world use a Dvorak layout since it makes the
> most
> sense.
>
> I find that arguements that a new OS means one should expect to have to
> get
> new software don't wash. Hardware, as it is, is backwards compatible. I
> can
> still load DOS on a high-end box if I want! That is how backwards
> compatible
> hardware is. Why software isn't is because of a bias toward wanting to
> drive
> sales of new programs, not because of technical reason. Windows
> Vista-capable
> machines should easily be able to emulate a dos environement if an
> application needed it.
>
> Out in the real world, outside of offices, many machines can only be
> connected to for software diagnostics through a serial port. Industrial
> machines that cost millions of dollars don't get upgraded like office
> machines do. There is a whole world of legacy software that has to be run
> to
> keep many machines going because the manufacturers of those machines will
> never change their controllers to keep up with computer hardware changes.
>
> "Rock" wrote:
>

>> "Tim" wrote
>>

>> >I can see your point about getting rid of legacy programs. But my (and
>> >many others') problem is with older hardware where the manufacturer will
>> >not issue new drivers. For example, my HP scanner will not work in
>> >Vista,
>> >and I've read comments elsewhere that many people are having problems
>> >with
>> >HP scanners. My hardware is perfectly fine - all it needs is a proper
>> >driver. But if HP won't issue it, this will force me to buy a new
>> >scanner.
>> >HP not only saves the cost of keeping its old hardware up to date, but
>> >makes a profit from people having to unecessarily replace their
>> >products.

>>
>>
>> The same thing happened with scanners in the transition from win9x to XP.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Rock [ MVP User/Shell]
>>
>>