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Old 09-05-2007, 06:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I use the Zonealarm suite 7.1 and it has worked without a hitch for a few
months now! No impact on system. Good value for two licences

VG
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> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:13:15 -0700, "PTravel"
> <ptravel@travelersvideo.com> wrote:
>
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>> I lilke AVG, which also has a better firewall than Windows Defender.
>
>
> Sure. Windows Defender has no firewall at all.
>
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>> "razor_303" <razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> >I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my recently
>> >purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews
>> >for
>> >the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.
>> >
>> > I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can
>> > buy
>> > that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus,
>> > anti-spyware
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > I know to stay away from Computer Associates and PC-cillin as I've
>> > tried
>> > those and pretty much wasted my money with both, so I've had Norton for
>> > a
>> > while now. and Mcaffe ive heard it sucks so im not going there either
>> >
>> > Can I have the whole name and not abberviations so I can look up the
>> > software?
>> >
>> > getting tired of norton, uses up too much memory...
>> >
>> > Thanks
>
> --
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:20 PM   #22 (permalink)
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ok thanks, i think i'll go out and do some research on my own on AVG,
kasperky, and zonealarm.

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>I use the Zonealarm suite 7.1 and it has worked without a hitch for a few
>months now! No impact on system. Good value for two licences
>
> VG
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>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:13:15 -0700, "PTravel"
>> <ptravel@travelersvideo.com> wrote:
>>
Quote:
>>> I lilke AVG, which also has a better firewall than Windows Defender.
>>
>>
>> Sure. Windows Defender has no firewall at all.
>>
>>
>>
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>>> "razor_303" <razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:5B3F1101-8454-4684-ADB9-8AE348F31424@microsoft.com...
>>> >I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my
>>> >recently
>>> >purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews
>>> >for
>>> >the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.
>>> >
>>> > I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can
>>> > buy
>>> > that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus,
>>> > anti-spyware
>>> > etc.
>>> >
>>> > I know to stay away from Computer Associates and PC-cillin as I've
>>> > tried
>>> > those and pretty much wasted my money with both, so I've had Norton
>>> > for a
>>> > while now. and Mcaffe ive heard it sucks so im not going there either
>>> >
>>> > Can I have the whole name and not abberviations so I can look up the
>>> > software?
>>> >
>>> > getting tired of norton, uses up too much memory...
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>
>> --
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>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:08 PM   #23 (permalink)
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On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:13:29 +0100, "VistaGeek"
<vista.geek@btinternet.com> wrote:
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> I use the Zonealarm suite 7.1 and it has worked without a hitch for a few
> months now!

Your choice, of course. My view is that no matter how well something
works, it's always possible that something else could work better.
Just because you haven't had any problems with it doesn't mean it's
the best possible choice.

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> No impact on system.

But that's flat out impossible. Anything you run has an impact on
system performance. Some things have more of an impact than others,
and some have a small enough impact on performance that you don't
notice it. But nothing has a zero impact.

In this case, I would suspect that the impact is greater than you
realize.

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> Good value for two licences

Perhaps. A much better value is freeware. And there's lots of good
freeware around to compete with it.


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> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
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> > On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:13:15 -0700, "PTravel"
> > <ptravel@travelersvideo.com> wrote:
> >
Quote:
> >> I lilke AVG, which also has a better firewall than Windows Defender.
> >
> >
> > Sure. Windows Defender has no firewall at all.
> >
> >
> >
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> >> "razor_303" <razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> news:5B3F1101-8454-4684-ADB9-8AE348F31424@microsoft.com...
> >> >I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my recently
> >> >purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews
> >> >for
> >> >the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.
> >> >
> >> > I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can
> >> > buy
> >> > that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus,
> >> > anti-spyware
> >> > etc.
> >> >
> >> > I know to stay away from Computer Associates and PC-cillin as I've
> >> > tried
> >> > those and pretty much wasted my money with both, so I've had Norton for
> >> > a
> >> > while now. and Mcaffe ive heard it sucks so im not going there either
> >> >
> >> > Can I have the whole name and not abberviations so I can look up the
> >> > software?
> >> >
> >> > getting tired of norton, uses up too much memory...
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:40 PM   #24 (permalink)
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>I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my recently
>purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews for
>the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.
>
> I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can buy
> that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus, anti-spyware
> etc.
>
> I know to stay away from Computer Associates and PC-cillin as I've tried
> those and pretty much wasted my money with both, so I've had Norton for a
> while now. and Mcaffe ive heard it sucks so im not going there either
>
> Can I have the whole name and not abberviations so I can look up the
> software?
>
> getting tired of norton, uses up too much memory...
>
> Thanks

I tried Norton Internet Security 2008 last night.
Here's my take on it:

1) Takes too much control away from the OS.
2) Takes too much control away from the user.
3) Too ponderous.
4) Too complicated.

Here're my suggestions for an Internet Security Suite:
1) Trend Micro Internet Security 2008 (for Vista -- the XP product won't
even install under Vista).
2) Once it is released, the NOD32 Suite will be excellent.
3) ZoneLabs Internet Security 2008
4) Or, a third-party Firewall plus NOD32. Probably a better solution than a
unified Security Suite.
5) STAY AWAY FROM NORTON in Vista!

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Old 09-07-2007, 03:49 PM   #25 (permalink)
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> "razor_303" <razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my recently
>>purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews
>>for the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.
>>
>> I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can buy
>> that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus,
>> anti-spyware etc.
>>
>> I know to stay away from Computer Associates and PC-cillin as I've tried
>> those and pretty much wasted my money with both, so I've had Norton for a
>> while now. and Mcaffe ive heard it sucks so im not going there either
>>
>> Can I have the whole name and not abberviations so I can look up the
>> software?
>>
>> getting tired of norton, uses up too much memory...
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
> I tried Norton Internet Security 2008 last night.
> Here's my take on it:
>
> 1) Takes too much control away from the OS.
> 2) Takes too much control away from the user.
> 3) Too ponderous.
> 4) Too complicated.
>
> Here're my suggestions for an Internet Security Suite:
> 1) Trend Micro Internet Security 2008 (for Vista -- the XP product won't
> even install under Vista).
> 2) Once it is released, the NOD32 Suite will be excellent.
> 3) ZoneLabs Internet Security 2008
> 4) Or, a third-party Firewall plus NOD32. Probably a better solution than
> a unified Security Suite.
> 5) STAY AWAY FROM NORTON in Vista!
>
> Donald McDaniel
Sounds like Norton 08 is worse than the 07 edition, what is NOD32 companie's
website?
ive head that it is really good, id like to see their software





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Old 09-07-2007, 04:07 PM   #26 (permalink)
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>>>I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my recently
>>>purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews
>>>for the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.
>>>
>>> I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can buy
>>> that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus,
>>> anti-spyware etc.
>>>
>>> I know to stay away from Computer Associates and PC-cillin as I've tried
>>> those and pretty much wasted my money with both, so I've had Norton for
>>> a while now. and Mcaffe ive heard it sucks so im not going there either
>>>
>>> Can I have the whole name and not abberviations so I can look up the
>>> software?
>>>
>>> getting tired of norton, uses up too much memory...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> I tried Norton Internet Security 2008 last night.
>> Here's my take on it:
>>
>> 1) Takes too much control away from the OS.
>> 2) Takes too much control away from the user.
>> 3) Too ponderous.
>> 4) Too complicated.
>>
>> Here're my suggestions for an Internet Security Suite:
>> 1) Trend Micro Internet Security 2008 (for Vista -- the XP product won't
>> even install under Vista).
>> 2) Once it is released, the NOD32 Suite will be excellent.
>> 3) ZoneLabs Internet Security 2008
>> 4) Or, a third-party Firewall plus NOD32. Probably a better solution
>> than a unified Security Suite.
>> 5) STAY AWAY FROM NORTON in Vista!
>>
>> Donald McDaniel
>
> Sounds like Norton 08 is worse than the 07 edition, what is NOD32
> companie's website?
> ive head that it is really good, id like to see their software
and does anyone know when that security suite (Eset or NOD32 Suite) will be
released?

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Old 09-07-2007, 06:24 PM   #27 (permalink)
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>>
>> Sounds like Norton 08 is worse than the 07 edition, what is NOD32
>> companie's website?
>> ive head that it is really good, id like to see their software
>
> and does anyone know when that security suite (Eset or NOD32 Suite) will
> be released?
NOD32 is made by Eset, http://www.eset.com/. Version 2.7 works with Vista.
News about the upcoming Eset Smart Security suite can be found at
http://www.eset.com/beta. Smart Security is currently in public beta 2, Eset
does not have a public schedule for future releases.

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Old 09-08-2007, 04:39 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Just because you have to pay for something doesn't automatically make it
good. Norton demonstrates the point perfectly. Not only is it expensive, it
also hogs your resources, and even exibits spyware-like behaviour in that it
"impairs user control over material changes that affects their system
security". It is easily the worst "security" product you could ever get. But
by your reasoning it'd be "better" than the many free and indeed superior
anti-virus applications such as Avast or Antivir, which are not only
resource efficient, but also does not exibit spyware-like behaviour and have
much better detection rates than Norton.

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>> On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:42:24 -0500, "razor_303"
>> <razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
Quote:
>>> I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my recently
>>> purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews
>>> for
>>> the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.
>>>
>>> I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can buy
>>> that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus,
>>> anti-spyware
>>> etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am very much against using such suites, whether security suites, or
>> any other kind. I believe that it's best to look for the best
>> product(s) in each category. It is *not* true that because company A
>> makes the best anti-virus program, you should therefore also use its
>> firewall, anti-spyware program, etc.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>
>
>
> Ok good points made, so what are some good firewalls, anti-virus programs,
> and anti-spyware programs that i could buy that are the best at what they
> do, and i dont trust those free versions, i those kinds of people that
> believe that nothing is free, everything has a price. im willing to pay
> since it is for protecting my data and my school investment.
>
> thanks
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Old 09-08-2007, 02:32 PM   #29 (permalink)
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i just dont see getting something for free and expect it to do be better
than something i paid for, i am trying to protect my investment, i do
realize norton isnt the best, which is why im asking for people's opinions
on what works for them then i take that and combine with what ive read
online and what other people have told me.

thanks

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> Just because you have to pay for something doesn't automatically make it
> good. Norton demonstrates the point perfectly. Not only is it expensive,
> it also hogs your resources, and even exibits spyware-like behaviour in
> that it "impairs user control over material changes that affects their
> system security". It is easily the worst "security" product you could ever
> get. But by your reasoning it'd be "better" than the many free and indeed
> superior anti-virus applications such as Avast or Antivir, which are not
> only resource efficient, but also does not exibit spyware-like behaviour
> and have much better detection rates than Norton.
>
> "razor_303" <razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:14E45BBF-F47C-40D8-9526-8A9347C96550@microsoft.com...
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>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
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Quote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:42:24 -0500, "razor_303"
>>> <razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my
>>>> recently
>>>> purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews
>>>> for
>>>> the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can
>>>> buy
>>>> that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus,
>>>> anti-spyware
>>>> etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am very much against using such suites, whether security suites, or
>>> any other kind. I believe that it's best to look for the best
>>> product(s) in each category. It is *not* true that because company A
>>> makes the best anti-virus program, you should therefore also use its
>>> firewall, anti-spyware program, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok good points made, so what are some good firewalls, anti-virus
>> programs, and anti-spyware programs that i could buy that are the best at
>> what they do, and i dont trust those free versions, i those kinds of
>> people that believe that nothing is free, everything has a price. im
>> willing to pay since it is for protecting my data and my school
>> investment.
>>
>> thanks
>
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:32:30 -0500, "razor_303"
<razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> i just dont see getting something for free and expect it to do be better
> than something i paid for,

Although I can understand why you feel that way, in the world of
software, it is *often* not the case. Chen Shen gave you one example
of an expensive paid-for product being inferior to free ones. They are
many more examples.


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> i am trying to protect my investment, i do
> realize norton isnt the best, which is why im asking for people's opinions
> on what works for them then i take that and combine with what ive read
> online and what other people have told me.
>
> thanks
>
> "Chen Shen" <chen@cshen.ca> wrote in message
> news:%23hpA1Id8HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
Quote:
> > Just because you have to pay for something doesn't automatically make it
> > good. Norton demonstrates the point perfectly. Not only is it expensive,
> > it also hogs your resources, and even exibits spyware-like behaviour in
> > that it "impairs user control over material changes that affects their
> > system security". It is easily the worst "security" product you could ever
> > get. But by your reasoning it'd be "better" than the many free and indeed
> > superior anti-virus applications such as Avast or Antivir, which are not
> > only resource efficient, but also does not exibit spyware-like behaviour
> > and have much better detection rates than Norton.
> >
> > "razor_303" <razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:14E45BBF-F47C-40D8-9526-8A9347C96550@microsoft.com...
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> >>
> >> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> >> news:096pd3hd9brvljo8dt7iaoi7c6qh0i8qet@4ax.com...
> >>> On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:42:24 -0500, "razor_303"
> >>> <razor_303@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am currently using Norton Internet Security 2007, for both my
> >>>> recently
> >>>> purchased laptop and my older desktop computer. I have seen the reviews
> >>>> for
> >>>> the 2008 version and I'm not very confident in getting it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wanted to get some recommendations on security software that I can
> >>>> buy
> >>>> that includes the whole package, like a firewall, anti-virus,
> >>>> anti-spyware
> >>>> etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am very much against using such suites, whether security suites, or
> >>> any other kind. I believe that it's best to look for the best
> >>> product(s) in each category. It is *not* true that because company A
> >>> makes the best anti-virus program, you should therefore also use its
> >>> firewall, anti-spyware program, etc.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> >>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ok good points made, so what are some good firewalls, anti-virus
> >> programs, and anti-spyware programs that i could buy that are the best at
> >> what they do, and i dont trust those free versions, i those kinds of
> >> people that believe that nothing is free, everything has a price. im
> >> willing to pay since it is for protecting my data and my school
> >> investment.
> >>
> >> thanks
> >
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