Sending/recieving faxes with VoIP

Thanks Russ, you saved me some headaches. i guess I'll just have to find a
VoIP provider that either won't make me get a second line or charge an arm
and leg for it.

"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:

> No. Windows Fax requires an analog phone line.
> You'd need to use one of the many Internet Fax providers.
> --
> Russ Valentine
> [MVP-Outlook]
> "Islandboy" <Islandboy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:16117203-D483-40DF-8C97-41DC478B131D@microsoft.com...

> > I'm thinking about getting internet phone service any way to fax through
> > Windows fax? Any suggestions or software that might work?

>
>
>

It seems that there is something you misunderstand about Russ' reply. For
the Fax program in Windows you need a physical phone line that connects
to a telephone company. That is because the program was designed to use a
conventional fax/modem. That bit of hardware connects to a phone line. It
will not connect through an Internet connection.

Note that VOIP means Voice Over Internet Protocol. Like Simple Mail
Transport Protocol, Network News Transport Protocol, File Transport
Protocol, Hyper Text Transport Protocol, or Network Time Protocol, it is
an Internet standard method or protocol. VOIP uses your Ethernet
connection to connect to a provider that interfaces between you and the
hardwired phone network. In that way, you can make "phone calls" though
your Internet connection.

Again, you cannot make faxes using VOIP. As Russ said, you can use an
Internet fax service provider. They will take the fax data over the
Internet and send the fax for you. They charge for this service.


Tom
MSMVP
Windows Shell/User


"Islandboy" <Islandboy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8DD3708E-F42C-4846-9700-9593BBAD679B@microsoft.com...
| Thanks Russ, you saved me some headaches. i guess I'll just have to
find a
| VoIP provider that either won't make me get a second line or charge an
arm
| and leg for it.
|
| "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
|
| > No. Windows Fax requires an analog phone line.
| > You'd need to use one of the many Internet Fax providers.
| > --
| > Russ Valentine
| > [MVP-Outlook]
| > "Islandboy" <Islandboy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:16117203-D483-40DF-8C97-41DC478B131D@microsoft.com...
| > > I'm thinking about getting internet phone service any way to fax
through
| > > Windows fax? Any suggestions or software that might work?
| >
| >
| >

"Islandboy" <Islandboy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:16117203-D483-40DF-8C97-41DC478B131D@microsoft.com...

> I'm thinking about getting internet phone service any way to fax
> through
> Windows fax? Any suggestions or software that might work?

It depends upon the VoIP service you have. If your service provides
a router with a telephone adapter into which you can plug an analog
phone, you can fax. If it simply works through your computer sound
card, you cannot fax. Service such as ATT CallVantage, Verizon
VoiceWing or Vonage actually provides you with a physical device
into which you can plug an analog phone. Services such as Skype or
Net2Phone works through your computer and cannot fax.

When I turn on fax and modem support, the service dedicates part of
the bandwidth exclusively for that because you need a nearly
constant connection for faxing and data transfers.

--
Earl F. Parrish

Imhotep,

Have any positive changes been made by the manufactures of FAX
machines since this was discussed back in March?

Packet 8 tells me that their service will allow Faxing with some fax
machines, but that my Epson 1270 is way to old to work with their
service.

When I try and fax with it, the page goes about halfway though and
then stops.

I tried an online service named "Ureach.com" they only charged $5.99 a
month to send faxes. However, I only fax something a few times per
year so even that price is a waste of money for me.

They even charged me for back months where I had not used the service.

By that I mean that in September, the money was not available to them.
So they turned off my service. Then on the first of October, they took
money for both September and October.

So I called them, cursed them out and told them I no longer wanted
their service period! I demanded the return of at least one month of
money. So they returned the $5.99 for October.

Are their any online companies out there that will only charge me
when...I use their service to fax something, and not charge me daily
even if I am not faxing anything?

Peace

On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:09:04 GMT, "Earl F. Parrish"
<efparri@nowhere.world> wrote:

>
>"Islandboy" <Islandboy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:16117203-D483-40DF-8C97-41DC478B131D@microsoft.com...

>> I'm thinking about getting internet phone service any way to fax
>> through
>> Windows fax? Any suggestions or software that might work?

>
>It depends upon the VoIP service you have. If your service provides
>a router with a telephone adapter into which you can plug an analog
>phone, you can fax. If it simply works through your computer sound
>card, you cannot fax. Service such as ATT CallVantage, Verizon
>VoiceWing or Vonage actually provides you with a physical device
>into which you can plug an analog phone. Services such as Skype or
>Net2Phone works through your computer and cannot fax.
>
>When I turn on fax and modem support, the service dedicates part of
>the bandwidth exclusively for that because you need a nearly
>constant connection for faxing and data transfers.

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I use ViaTalk VoIP and I have sent faxes using my HP All-In-One
printer/scanner/fax as if I was sending it over a PSTN line. All I
needed to do was lower the baud rate of the fax to 9600 baud, and then
everything worked slowly, but perfectly fine. I wouldn't send 100 page
documents this way, but it's good enough for sending health insurance
claims once in a while.

Thanks,

Thomas
http://www.betterphone.org

Gabriel Rapture wrote:

> Imhotep,
>
> Have any positive changes been made by the manufactures of FAX
> machines since this was discussed back in March?
>
> Packet 8 tells me that their service will allow Faxing with some fax
> machines, but that my Epson 1270 is way to old to work with their
> service.
>
> When I try and fax with it, the page goes about halfway though and
> then stops.
>
> I tried an online service named "Ureach.com" they only charged $5.99 a
> month to send faxes. However, I only fax something a few times per
> year so even that price is a waste of money for me.
>
> They even charged me for back months where I had not used the service.
>
> By that I mean that in September, the money was not available to them.
> So they turned off my service. Then on the first of October, they took
> money for both September and October.
>
> So I called them, cursed them out and told them I no longer wanted
> their service period! I demanded the return of at least one month of
> money. So they returned the $5.99 for October.
>
> Are their any online companies out there that will only charge me
> when...I use their service to fax something, and not charge me daily
> even if I am not faxing anything?
>
> Peace
>
> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:09:04 GMT, "Earl F. Parrish"
> <efparri@nowhere.world> wrote:
>

> >
> >"Islandboy" <Islandboy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >news:16117203-D483-40DF-8C97-41DC478B131D@microsoft.com...

> >> I'm thinking about getting internet phone service any way to fax
> >> through
> >> Windows fax? Any suggestions or software that might work?

> >
> >It depends upon the VoIP service you have. If your service provides
> >a router with a telephone adapter into which you can plug an analog
> >phone, you can fax. If it simply works through your computer sound
> >card, you cannot fax. Service such as ATT CallVantage, Verizon
> >VoiceWing or Vonage actually provides you with a physical device
> >into which you can plug an analog phone. Services such as Skype or
> >Net2Phone works through your computer and cannot fax.
> >
> >When I turn on fax and modem support, the service dedicates part of
> >the bandwidth exclusively for that because you need a nearly
> >constant connection for faxing and data transfers.

>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...19B468C9B54529
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...0D293D2AC469FD
>
> My URL
> http://www.myspace.com/103519011
>
> My Blog URL
>
> http://blog.myspace.com/103519011
>
> www.tryfrutavida.com2279991
>
> www.frutavida.com/2279991
>
> www.telebay.com/7777
>
> www.packet8.net
> use code 7777 for ordering

Yes,

My research has show that many late model HP Fax machine do work well
with VOIP.

So I guess the thing to do is upgrade my fax to one of those models
that the techs say should work OK with http://www.packet8.net/7777

Thanks for the input.


On 10 Oct 2006 04:29:28 -0700, "Thomas" <t@auzinger.org> wrote:

>I use ViaTalk VoIP and I have sent faxes using my HP All-In-One
>printer/scanner/fax as if I was sending it over a PSTN line. All I
>needed to do was lower the baud rate of the fax to 9600 baud, and then
>everything worked slowly, but perfectly fine. I wouldn't send 100 page
>documents this way, but it's good enough for sending health insurance
>claims once in a while.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Thomas
>http://www.betterphone.org
>
>Gabriel Rapture wrote:

>> Imhotep,
>>
>> Have any positive changes been made by the manufactures of FAX
>> machines since this was discussed back in March?
>>
>> Packet 8 tells me that their service will allow Faxing with some fax
>> machines, but that my Epson 1270 is way to old to work with their
>> service.
>>
>> When I try and fax with it, the page goes about halfway though and
>> then stops.
>>
>> I tried an online service named "Ureach.com" they only charged $5.99 a
>> month to send faxes. However, I only fax something a few times per
>> year so even that price is a waste of money for me.
>>
>> They even charged me for back months where I had not used the service.
>>
>> By that I mean that in September, the money was not available to them.
>> So they turned off my service. Then on the first of October, they took
>> money for both September and October.
>>
>> So I called them, cursed them out and told them I no longer wanted
>> their service period! I demanded the return of at least one month of
>> money. So they returned the $5.99 for October.
>>
>> Are their any online companies out there that will only charge me
>> when...I use their service to fax something, and not charge me daily
>> even if I am not faxing anything?
>>
>> Peace
>>
>> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:09:04 GMT, "Earl F. Parrish"
>> <efparri@nowhere.world> wrote:
>>

>> >
>> >"Islandboy" <Islandboy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >news:16117203-D483-40DF-8C97-41DC478B131D@microsoft.com...
>> >> I'm thinking about getting internet phone service any way to fax
>> >> through
>> >> Windows fax? Any suggestions or software that might work?
>> >
>> >It depends upon the VoIP service you have. If your service provides
>> >a router with a telephone adapter into which you can plug an analog
>> >phone, you can fax. If it simply works through your computer sound
>> >card, you cannot fax. Service such as ATT CallVantage, Verizon
>> >VoiceWing or Vonage actually provides you with a physical device
>> >into which you can plug an analog phone. Services such as Skype or
>> >Net2Phone works through your computer and cannot fax.
>> >
>> >When I turn on fax and modem support, the service dedicates part of
>> >the bandwidth exclusively for that because you need a nearly
>> >constant connection for faxing and data transfers.

>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...19B468C9B54529
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...0D293D2AC469FD
>>
>> My URL
>> http://www.myspace.com/103519011
>>
>> My Blog URL
>>
>> http://blog.myspace.com/103519011
>>
>> www.tryfrutavida.com2279991
>>
>> www.frutavida.com/2279991
>>
>> www.telebay.com/7777
>>
>> www.packet8.net
>> use code 7777 for ordering

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...19B468C9B54529


http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...0D293D2AC469FD

My URL
http://www.myspace.com/103519011

My Blog URL

http://blog.myspace.com/103519011

www.tryfrutavida.com2279991

www.frutavida.com/2279991

www.telebay.com/7777

www.packet8.net
use code 7777 for ordering

Imheteph,

Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I'm Ok now. I found a website
that told me to make a couple of modifications to my Brother
Intellifax 1270. After I made them it is working fine over my Packet8
VOIP line.

www.voipmechanic.com

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option if you have molto dinaro laying around:

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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:31:35 -0500, Gabriel Rapture
<enraptured@charter.net> wrote:

>Yes,
>
>My research has show that many late model HP Fax machine do work well
>with VOIP.
>
>So I guess the thing to do is upgrade my fax to one of those models
>that the techs say should work OK with http://www.packet8.net/7777
>
>Thanks for the input.
>
>
>On 10 Oct 2006 04:29:28 -0700, "Thomas" <t@auzinger.org> wrote:
>

>>I use ViaTalk VoIP and I have sent faxes using my HP All-In-One
>>printer/scanner/fax as if I was sending it over a PSTN line. All I
>>needed to do was lower the baud rate of the fax to 9600 baud, and then
>>everything worked slowly, but perfectly fine. I wouldn't send 100 page
>>documents this way, but it's good enough for sending health insurance
>>claims once in a while.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Thomas
>>http://www.betterphone.org
>>
>>Gabriel Rapture wrote:

>>> Imhotep,
>>>
>>> Have any positive changes been made by the manufactures of FAX
>>> machines since this was discussed back in March?
>>>
>>> Packet 8 tells me that their service will allow Faxing with some fax
>>> machines, but that my Epson 1270 is way to old to work with their
>>> service.
>>>
>>> When I try and fax with it, the page goes about halfway though and
>>> then stops.
>>>
>>> I tried an online service named "Ureach.com" they only charged $5.99 a
>>> month to send faxes. However, I only fax something a few times per
>>> year so even that price is a waste of money for me.
>>>
>>> They even charged me for back months where I had not used the service.
>>>
>>> By that I mean that in September, the money was not available to them.
>>> So they turned off my service. Then on the first of October, they took
>>> money for both September and October.
>>>
>>> So I called them, cursed them out and told them I no longer wanted
>>> their service period! I demanded the return of at least one month of
>>> money. So they returned the $5.99 for October.
>>>
>>> Are their any online companies out there that will only charge me
>>> when...I use their service to fax something, and not charge me daily
>>> even if I am not faxing anything?
>>>
>>> Peace
>>>
>>> On Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:09:04 GMT, "Earl F. Parrish"
>>> <efparri@nowhere.world> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"Islandboy" <Islandboy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:16117203-D483-40DF-8C97-41DC478B131D@microsoft.com...
>>> >> I'm thinking about getting internet phone service any way to fax
>>> >> through
>>> >> Windows fax? Any suggestions or software that might work?
>>> >
>>> >It depends upon the VoIP service you have. If your service provides
>>> >a router with a telephone adapter into which you can plug an analog
>>> >phone, you can fax. If it simply works through your computer sound
>>> >card, you cannot fax. Service such as ATT CallVantage, Verizon
>>> >VoiceWing or Vonage actually provides you with a physical device
>>> >into which you can plug an analog phone. Services such as Skype or
>>> >Net2Phone works through your computer and cannot fax.
>>> >
>>> >When I turn on fax and modem support, the service dedicates part of
>>> >the bandwidth exclusively for that because you need a nearly
>>> >constant connection for faxing and data transfers.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...19B468C9B54529
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...0D293D2AC469FD
>>>
>>> My URL
>>> http://www.myspace.com/103519011
>>>
>>> My Blog URL
>>>
>>> http://blog.myspace.com/103519011
>>>
>>> www.tryfrutavida.com2279991
>>>
>>> www.frutavida.com/2279991
>>>
>>> www.telebay.com/7777
>>>
>>> www.packet8.net
>>> use code 7777 for ordering

>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...19B468C9B54529
>
>
>http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...0D293D2AC469FD
>
>My URL
>http://www.myspace.com/103519011
>
>My Blog URL
>
>http://blog.myspace.com/103519011
>
>www.tryfrutavida.com2279991
>
>www.frutavida.com/2279991
>
>www.telebay.com/7777
>
>www.packet8.net
>use code 7777 for ordering

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My URL
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My Blog URL

http://blog.myspace.com/103519011

www.tryfrutavida.com2279991

www.frutavida.com/2279991

www.telebay.com/7777

www.packet8.net
use code 7777 for ordering