Serial Backups

Posted: 01-20-2009, 11:11 PM
I want to do backups serially, i.e. a set of six successive daily backups.
However, as scheduled, each daily backup simply overwrites the previous days
one rather than creating a new one, or appears to. I checked whether using
Incremental rather than Normal would do what I wanted but it seems not. Is
there a way to do what I want?

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Bridgeman

Serial Backups


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sgopus
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RE: Serial Backups
Posted: 01-20-2009, 11:16 PM
an incremental will do what you want, just do a full backup first, as it will
use the full as a comparison to write the incremental.

"Bridgeman" wrote:
> I want to do backups serially, i.e. a set of six successive daily backups.
> However, as scheduled, each daily backup simply overwrites the previous days
> one rather than creating a new one, or appears to. I checked whether using
> Incremental rather than Normal would do what I wanted but it seems not. Is
> there a way to do what I want?
>
> --
> Bridgeman
Pegasus \(MVP\)
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Re: Serial Backups
Posted: 01-20-2009, 11:42 PM

"Bridgeman" <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote in message
newsA972B77-BA4B-4B1C-89FE-BB2210E93E91@microsoft.com...
>I want to do backups serially, i.e. a set of six successive daily backups.
> However, as scheduled, each daily backup simply overwrites the previous
> days
> one rather than creating a new one, or appears to. I checked whether
> using
> Incremental rather than Normal would do what I wanted but it seems not.
> Is
> there a way to do what I want?
>
> --
> Bridgeman
It depends on what backup program you use and if you specify that new
backups are to be appended to the existing backups, overwrite them or
written to a unique file name each time.


Bridgeman
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Re: Serial Backups
Posted: 01-21-2009, 12:04 AM
Thanks for the speedy response guys. I was using the Windows Wizard and
thought I'd set up as Appending the new files that's why I am puzzled that it
seems to overwrite the existing backup. If I use Incremental will that
create a separate daily backup? I would like to specify a unique file name
(the date basically) for each backup so how do I do that and still have it
scheduled automatically?
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Bridgeman


"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
>
> "Bridgeman" <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote in message
> newsA972B77-BA4B-4B1C-89FE-BB2210E93E91@microsoft.com...
> >I want to do backups serially, i.e. a set of six successive daily backups.
> > However, as scheduled, each daily backup simply overwrites the previous
> > days
> > one rather than creating a new one, or appears to. I checked whether
> > using
> > Incremental rather than Normal would do what I wanted but it seems not.
> > Is
> > there a way to do what I want?
> >
> > --
> > Bridgeman
>
> It depends on what backup program you use and if you specify that new
> backups are to be appended to the existing backups, overwrite them or
> written to a unique file name each time.
>
>
>
Mike Torello
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Re: Serial Backups
Posted: 01-21-2009, 01:21 AM
Bridgeman <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote:
>Thanks for the speedy response guys. I was using the Windows Wizard and
>thought I'd set up as Appending the new files that's why I am puzzled that it
>seems to overwrite the existing backup. If I use Incremental will that
>create a separate daily backup? I would like to specify a unique file name
>(the date basically) for each backup so how do I do that and still have it
>scheduled automatically?
Yes, you will get a separate daily backup, but it will be a fraction
of the size of the original and it won't be able to be used as a
stand-alone... it requires all backups that preceded it if a restore
is needed.

About specifying a unique file name for each: even third party apps
won't let you do that. You specify the name of the original and they
append 1, 3, 4 etc. to the end of that to show the serial nature of
all of the incrementals.
Bridgeman
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Re: Serial Backups
Posted: 01-21-2009, 05:07 AM
Hi Pegasus,

Thanks for your speedy reply. I use the Windows Backup Wizard writing to
an external HDD and am almost certain that I used Append. I expected to see
a backup with the new days date, but instead the backup had the same file
name but the create date was a day later than the original. I set the job
up using Task Scheduler. Is there a way, using whatever Windows provides, to
write a new backup file each day with it's own unique id, e.g. the date, or
should the Append facility do that? Would using Incremental as sgopus
suggests be the answer?


--
Bridgeman


"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
>
> "Bridgeman" <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote in message
> newsA972B77-BA4B-4B1C-89FE-BB2210E93E91@microsoft.com...
> >I want to do backups serially, i.e. a set of six successive daily backups.
> > However, as scheduled, each daily backup simply overwrites the previous
> > days
> > one rather than creating a new one, or appears to. I checked whether
> > using
> > Incremental rather than Normal would do what I wanted but it seems not.
> > Is
> > there a way to do what I want?
> >
> > --
> > Bridgeman
>
> It depends on what backup program you use and if you specify that new
> backups are to be appended to the existing backups, overwrite them or
> written to a unique file name each time.
>
>
>
Bridgeman
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Re: Serial Backups
Posted: 01-21-2009, 05:53 AM
Thank you Mike,

I understand what you've said. I'll retry using Append. How do I id the
appended files?
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Bridgeman


"Mike Torello" wrote:
> Bridgeman <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the speedy response guys. I was using the Windows Wizard and
> >thought I'd set up as Appending the new files that's why I am puzzled that it
> >seems to overwrite the existing backup. If I use Incremental will that
> >create a separate daily backup? I would like to specify a unique file name
> >(the date basically) for each backup so how do I do that and still have it
> >scheduled automatically?
>
> Yes, you will get a separate daily backup, but it will be a fraction
> of the size of the original and it won't be able to be used as a
> stand-alone... it requires all backups that preceded it if a restore
> is needed.
>
> About specifying a unique file name for each: even third party apps
> won't let you do that. You specify the name of the original and they
> append 1, 3, 4 etc. to the end of that to show the serial nature of
> all of the incrementals.
>
Bridgeman
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Re: Serial Backups
Posted: 01-21-2009, 05:53 AM
Thank you Mike,

I understand what you've said. I'll retry using Append. How do I id the
appended files?
--
Bridgeman


"Mike Torello" wrote:
> Bridgeman <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the speedy response guys. I was using the Windows Wizard and
> >thought I'd set up as Appending the new files that's why I am puzzled that it
> >seems to overwrite the existing backup. If I use Incremental will that
> >create a separate daily backup? I would like to specify a unique file name
> >(the date basically) for each backup so how do I do that and still have it
> >scheduled automatically?
>
> Yes, you will get a separate daily backup, but it will be a fraction
> of the size of the original and it won't be able to be used as a
> stand-alone... it requires all backups that preceded it if a restore
> is needed.
>
> About specifying a unique file name for each: even third party apps
> won't let you do that. You specify the name of the original and they
> append 1, 3, 4 etc. to the end of that to show the serial nature of
> all of the incrementals.
>
Pegasus \(MVP\)
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Re: Serial Backups
Posted: 01-21-2009, 08:20 PM
Here is what you can do. The approach below will use your existing backup
command but will create a backup file that reflects today's date.

1. Click Start/Run/notepad c:\MyBackup.bat{OK}
2. Allow a new file to be created.
3. Put these lines inside:
@echo off
set FileName=X:\Backup-%date:/=-%.bkf
**** /F "%FileName%"
4. Save and close the file.
5. Run it.
6. Check the result.
7. Check the backup log file.
8. Schedule c:\MyBackup.bat to run instead of the previous backup job.

Notes about Step 3 above:
- Replace "X:" with the drive letter of your external backup drive.
- Replace **** with the whole ntbackup command that you will
find in the Task Scheduler under your backup job. Use copy & paste
to get it into your batch file.
- Replace the /F ... parameter from the original command with
/F "%FileName%", as shown above.

Post again if you have any questions.

"Bridgeman" <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote in message
news4BB177E-BE9D-4E68-B7F5-24FBDC3CF49C@microsoft.com...
> Hi Pegasus,
>
> Thanks for your speedy reply. I use the Windows Backup Wizard writing
> to
> an external HDD and am almost certain that I used Append. I expected to
> see
> a backup with the new days date, but instead the backup had the same file
> name but the create date was a day later than the original. I set the
> job
> up using Task Scheduler. Is there a way, using whatever Windows provides,
> to
> write a new backup file each day with it's own unique id, e.g. the date,
> or
> should the Append facility do that? Would using Incremental as sgopus
> suggests be the answer?
>
>
> --
> Bridgeman
>
>
> "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
>
>>
>> "Bridgeman" <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote in message
>> newsA972B77-BA4B-4B1C-89FE-BB2210E93E91@microsoft.com...
>> >I want to do backups serially, i.e. a set of six successive daily
>> >backups.
>> > However, as scheduled, each daily backup simply overwrites the previous
>> > days
>> > one rather than creating a new one, or appears to. I checked whether
>> > using
>> > Incremental rather than Normal would do what I wanted but it seems not.
>> > Is
>> > there a way to do what I want?
>> >
>> > --
>> > Bridgeman
>>
>> It depends on what backup program you use and if you specify that new
>> backups are to be appended to the existing backups, overwrite them or
>> written to a unique file name each time.

Bridgeman
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Re: Serial Backups
Posted: 01-22-2009, 01:59 AM
Thanks Pegasus. I’m still not able to get it to work. When I did as you
said Run/Start/notepad the Run panel appeared and I typed in Notepad
c:\MyBackup.bat and OK. That brought up the Notepad screen. I clicked
File/New. I then typed in @echo off set FileName=J(the external
HDD):\Backup-%date:/=-%.bkf I then cut and pasted the schedule command as
directed and replaced the F parameter with
F “%FileName%” (I’ve also replaced %FileName% with%J%) but it still doesn’t
work. When I click Save, the Save As screen appears. All it shows in the
File Name window is *.txt The Save As Type shows Text Document (*.txt) and
Encoding as ASCI. When I Save as C:\MyBackup.bat it tells me that file
already exists do I want to overwrite it. I did so, closed it and did the
Start/Run and it showed the c:\MyBackup.bat but when I click OK a panel with
a black background appears for an instant then disappears. I’ve tried it
several times and the panel is a Windows 32\cmd.exe It shows a panel saying
looking for backup devices and then reverts to a Welcome to the Back Utility
Advanced mode but it was on screen far too briefly to be read in full and
nothing further happens. What have I done wrong?

When I checked the backup file this a.m it had increased in size so I’m
assuming that the Append instruction is working. However, when I check what
files are backed up it only shows the one file, not the string of daily files
that I would have expected.

I only seem to be able to access the Backup Log information when I use the
Backup & Restore screen and select Restore. Is that the only way of seeing
what’s in the log?

--
Bridgeman


"Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
> Here is what you can do. The approach below will use your existing backup
> command but will create a backup file that reflects today's date.
>
> 1. Click Start/Run/notepad c:\MyBackup.bat{OK}
> 2. Allow a new file to be created.
> 3. Put these lines inside:
> @echo off
> set FileName=X:\Backup-%date:/=-%.bkf
> **** /F "%FileName%"
> 4. Save and close the file.
> 5. Run it.
> 6. Check the result.
> 7. Check the backup log file.
> 8. Schedule c:\MyBackup.bat to run instead of the previous backup job.
>
> Notes about Step 3 above:
> - Replace "X:" with the drive letter of your external backup drive.
> - Replace **** with the whole ntbackup command that you will
> find in the Task Scheduler under your backup job. Use copy & paste
> to get it into your batch file.
> - Replace the /F ... parameter from the original command with
> /F "%FileName%", as shown above.
>
> Post again if you have any questions.
>
> "Bridgeman" <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote in message
> news4BB177E-BE9D-4E68-B7F5-24FBDC3CF49C@microsoft.com...
> > Hi Pegasus,
> >
> > Thanks for your speedy reply. I use the Windows Backup Wizard writing
> > to
> > an external HDD and am almost certain that I used Append. I expected to
> > see
> > a backup with the new days date, but instead the backup had the same file
> > name but the create date was a day later than the original. I set the
> > job
> > up using Task Scheduler. Is there a way, using whatever Windows provides,
> > to
> > write a new backup file each day with it's own unique id, e.g. the date,
> > or
> > should the Append facility do that? Would using Incremental as sgopus
> > suggests be the answer?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bridgeman
> >
> >
> > "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "Bridgeman" <Bridge@somewhere.nz> wrote in message
> >> newsA972B77-BA4B-4B1C-89FE-BB2210E93E91@microsoft.com...
> >> >I want to do backups serially, i.e. a set of six successive daily
> >> >backups.
> >> > However, as scheduled, each daily backup simply overwrites the previous
> >> > days
> >> > one rather than creating a new one, or appears to. I checked whether
> >> > using
> >> > Incremental rather than Normal would do what I wanted but it seems not.
> >> > Is
> >> > there a way to do what I want?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Bridgeman
> >>
> >> It depends on what backup program you use and if you specify that new
> >> backups are to be appended to the existing backups, overwrite them or
> >> written to a unique file name each time.
>
>
>
 
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