Sharon F swapfile help

Posted: 10-19-2003, 05:45 AM
Thank you Sharon for the information on the blue screen of
death. Out of the many responses to my situation, yours is
valuable.

I'm running Windows XP, and my hard drive was using a 40-
pin cable, so I switched it to a 80-pin. I thought that
the difference bewteen the two was that the 80-pin sends
data faster and had little to do with my problem.

* How do I check to see if my hard drive is UDMA, and
why could a 40-pin cable cause the problems I have?

I still want to keep my hard drive at 3GB for the
operating system. Since that leaves me with about 11GB to
play with on the other partition, I'll move the swapfile
there.

In new to this whole swapfile thing, and I need some
things clarified, please.

1. What is a swapfile and what does it do?

2. Where is it located?

3. How do I move it to the other partition (if I can't cut
and paste)?

4. How do I "divide it up between partitions?"

Thank you so much for your help.



Subject: Re: HELP! two blue screens of death!
From: "Sharon F" <sharonfDEL@ETEmvps.org> Sent:
10/15/2003 12:34:01 PM

In my opinion, 3GB is cutting it short for an XP
partition. Although the
operating system folder, even on a mature system, will
only weigh in at
about 2GB that doesn't leave a lot of elbow room. For
example, add
your swapfile in and you're done. There's nothing left if
a few more MB
of virtual memory are suddenly needed. Slam the operating
system and
programs up against a wall repeatedly and the resulting
and recurring
errors could eventually cause file damage and, if forced
shutdowns are
involved, possibly hardware damage.

Have you considered moving the swapfile to a partition
with more room? Or
dividing it up between the partitions? While it's
advisable to move the
swapfile to another drive (if you're going to move it at
all), other partitions
would be acceptable if the operating system partition
remains at 3 GB.

The first stop error (c0000218) is related to a corrupt
registry. The
second stop error is an input/output error usually related
to the disk
drive.

If the hard drive is UDMA, are you using an 80 wire cable?
If it is and
you're using 40 wire, that could be part of the problem.

There is an update from February 10, 2002 that helps on
some systems
getting the Stop 0x000000ED message. Details about the
problem and the
update can be found here:

Stop 0x000000ED Error Message When Volume on IDE Drive
with Caching Enabled Is Mounted
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315403

If you need and use the 80 wire cable, apply the update,
rearrange your
swapfile a bit and still continue to have problems, it may
be time to
increase the size of the Windows partition and/or get a
larger hard drive.

There's always a possibility that the drive is starting to
show its age but
you could run diagnostics on it to confirm or rule this
out. These tools
are available at most hard drive manufacturer's websites.

While problematic RAM can cause repeated registry
corruption, it may not be
a factor in your case considering the other details you've
given us.

Safe Mode is a useful troubleshooting environment if the
errors are due to
a recent change in the system. Use it to disable software
or drivers that
were just installed. Or use it to test in general since
safe mode load only
minimal drivers and no startup applications. In your case,
I agree with you
that it wouldn't be very helpful.

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Re: Sharon F swapfile help
Posted: 10-19-2003, 06:59 PM
Go to CONTROL PANEL - SYSTEM - ADVANCED tab.. virtual memory can be
configured from there..

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"Brian" <telensu@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:03d801c395fb$c6876dc0$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> Thank you Sharon for the information on the blue screen of
> death. Out of the many responses to my situation, yours is
> valuable.
>
> I'm running Windows XP, and my hard drive was using a 40-
> pin cable, so I switched it to a 80-pin. I thought that
> the difference bewteen the two was that the 80-pin sends
> data faster and had little to do with my problem.
>
> * How do I check to see if my hard drive is UDMA, and
> why could a 40-pin cable cause the problems I have?
>
> I still want to keep my hard drive at 3GB for the
> operating system. Since that leaves me with about 11GB to
> play with on the other partition, I'll move the swapfile
> there.
>
> In new to this whole swapfile thing, and I need some
> things clarified, please.
>
> 1. What is a swapfile and what does it do?
>
> 2. Where is it located?
>
> 3. How do I move it to the other partition (if I can't cut
> and paste)?
>
> 4. How do I "divide it up between partitions?"
>
> Thank you so much for your help.
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: HELP! two blue screens of death!
> From: "Sharon F" <sharonfDEL@ETEmvps.org> Sent:
> 10/15/2003 12:34:01 PM
>
> In my opinion, 3GB is cutting it short for an XP
> partition. Although the
> operating system folder, even on a mature system, will
> only weigh in at
> about 2GB that doesn't leave a lot of elbow room. For
> example, add
> your swapfile in and you're done. There's nothing left if
> a few more MB
> of virtual memory are suddenly needed. Slam the operating
> system and
> programs up against a wall repeatedly and the resulting
> and recurring
> errors could eventually cause file damage and, if forced
> shutdowns are
> involved, possibly hardware damage.
>
> Have you considered moving the swapfile to a partition
> with more room? Or
> dividing it up between the partitions? While it's
> advisable to move the
> swapfile to another drive (if you're going to move it at
> all), other partitions
> would be acceptable if the operating system partition
> remains at 3 GB.
>
> The first stop error (c0000218) is related to a corrupt
> registry. The
> second stop error is an input/output error usually related
> to the disk
> drive.
>
> If the hard drive is UDMA, are you using an 80 wire cable?
> If it is and
> you're using 40 wire, that could be part of the problem.
>
> There is an update from February 10, 2002 that helps on
> some systems
> getting the Stop 0x000000ED message. Details about the
> problem and the
> update can be found here:
>
> Stop 0x000000ED Error Message When Volume on IDE Drive
> with Caching Enabled Is Mounted
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315403
>
> If you need and use the 80 wire cable, apply the update,
> rearrange your
> swapfile a bit and still continue to have problems, it may
> be time to
> increase the size of the Windows partition and/or get a
> larger hard drive.
>
> There's always a possibility that the drive is starting to
> show its age but
> you could run diagnostics on it to confirm or rule this
> out. These tools
> are available at most hard drive manufacturer's websites.
>
> While problematic RAM can cause repeated registry
> corruption, it may not be
> a factor in your case considering the other details you've
> given us.
>
> Safe Mode is a useful troubleshooting environment if the
> errors are due to
> a recent change in the system. Use it to disable software
> or drivers that
> were just installed. Or use it to test in general since
> safe mode load only
> minimal drivers and no startup applications. In your case,
> I agree with you
> that it wouldn't be very helpful.
>
> --
> Sharon F
> MS MVP - Windows Shell/User

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Re: Sharon F swapfile help
Posted: 10-20-2003, 07:47 PM
On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 21:45:09 -0700, Brian wrote:
> Thank you Sharon for the information on the blue screen of
> death. Out of the many responses to my situation, yours is
> valuable.
>
> I'm running Windows XP, and my hard drive was using a 40-
> pin cable, so I switched it to a 80-pin. I thought that
> the difference bewteen the two was that the 80-pin sends
> data faster and had little to do with my problem.
>
> * How do I check to see if my hard drive is UDMA, and
> why could a 40-pin cable cause the problems I have?
>
> I still want to keep my hard drive at 3GB for the
> operating system. Since that leaves me with about 11GB to
> play with on the other partition, I'll move the swapfile
> there.
>
> In new to this whole swapfile thing, and I need some
> things clarified, please.
>
> 1. What is a swapfile and what does it do?
>
> 2. Where is it located?
>
> 3. How do I move it to the other partition (if I can't cut
> and paste)?
>
> 4. How do I "divide it up between partitions?"
>
> Thank you so much for your help.
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: HELP! two blue screens of death!
> From: "Sharon F" <sharonfDEL@ETEmvps.org> Sent:
> 10/15/2003 12:34:01 PM
>
> In my opinion, 3GB is cutting it short for an XP
> partition. Although the
> operating system folder, even on a mature system, will
> only weigh in at
> about 2GB that doesn't leave a lot of elbow room. For
> example, add
> your swapfile in and you're done. There's nothing left if
> a few more MB
> of virtual memory are suddenly needed. Slam the operating
> system and
> programs up against a wall repeatedly and the resulting
> and recurring
> errors could eventually cause file damage and, if forced
> shutdowns are
> involved, possibly hardware damage.
>
> Have you considered moving the swapfile to a partition
> with more room? Or
> dividing it up between the partitions? While it's
> advisable to move the
> swapfile to another drive (if you're going to move it at
> all), other partitions
> would be acceptable if the operating system partition
> remains at 3 GB.
>
> The first stop error (c0000218) is related to a corrupt
> registry. The
> second stop error is an input/output error usually related
> to the disk
> drive.
>
> If the hard drive is UDMA, are you using an 80 wire cable?
> If it is and
> you're using 40 wire, that could be part of the problem.
>
> There is an update from February 10, 2002 that helps on
> some systems
> getting the Stop 0x000000ED message. Details about the
> problem and the
> update can be found here:
>
> Stop 0x000000ED Error Message When Volume on IDE Drive
> with Caching Enabled Is Mounted
> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=315403
>
> If you need and use the 80 wire cable, apply the update,
> rearrange your
> swapfile a bit and still continue to have problems, it may
> be time to
> increase the size of the Windows partition and/or get a
> larger hard drive.
>
> There's always a possibility that the drive is starting to
> show its age but
> you could run diagnostics on it to confirm or rule this
> out. These tools
> are available at most hard drive manufacturer's websites.
>
> While problematic RAM can cause repeated registry
> corruption, it may not be
> a factor in your case considering the other details you've
> given us.
>
> Safe Mode is a useful troubleshooting environment if the
> errors are due to
> a recent change in the system. Use it to disable software
> or drivers that
> were just installed. Or use it to test in general since
> safe mode load only
> minimal drivers and no startup applications. In your case,
> I agree with you
> that it wouldn't be very helpful.
Hi, Brian. I see that Mike has already directed you to the settings for the
swapfile (aka pagefile and virtual memory). NOTE: You may want to
keep a very small page file on C: for the occasional program or memory
dump. A good discussion about configuring virtual memory can be found
here: http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

In conjunction with the above, if you have Error Reporting enabled, suggest
that you switch it over to the small memory dump. The setting is available
in System Properties> Advanced> Startup and Recovery> Settings. If you
want to disable error reporting all together, click the Error Reporting
button right below System and Recovery on the Advanced page.

An 80 wire cable is backwards compatible for most older hard drives.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work the other way. Drives designed to run on an
80- won't work with 40- wire cables. This is by design and a physical
requirement of the hardware. One of the benefits of UDMA is the speed of
data transfer.

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MS MVP - Windows Shell/User
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