TechTAK Again

Hyperthreading is not implemented in the Core line.

For a review of the technology, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2#Conroe_XE_2

"Gary G. Little" <gary.g.little@seagate.com> wrote in message
news:44e33010$0$25784$88260bb3@news.teranews.com.. .

> How is Hyperthreading applied? If I have 2 dual core processors and enable
> hyperthreading, will I have 4 or 8 logical processors?
>
> --
> The personal opinion of
> Gary G. Little
>
> "Raven Mill" <nospammingdammit> wrote in message
> news:ewOLuQSwGHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Okay folks...this is short notice, but I HAVE to ask...
>>
>> I will be doing a phone interview with the PR manager for the Core2 Duo
>> from Intel for this week's TechTAK.
>>
>> What questions, if you were doing the interview, would you ask?
>>
>> And please, I could really use some INTELLIGENT questions, not just the
>> "Why arn't yer intel chips as gudd as the amd chips?" Because, to be
>> honest, I have them both and the Core2 Duo WAILS on the Athlon64 X2
>> 4800... by a LONG shot. And that's not even taking into consideration
>> the thermal problems that AMD has.
>>
>> So give me some questions...y'all got about 8 hours before the call is
>> made...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>

"Gary G. Little" <gary.g.little@seagate.com> wrote in message
news:44e33010$0$25784$88260bb3@news.teranews.com.. .

> How is Hyperthreading applied? If I have 2 dual core processors and enable
> hyperthreading, will I have 4 or 8 logical processors?
>
> --
> The personal opinion of
> Gary G. Little

This one is being asked with "Is hyperthreading being killed off
completely?"

None of the core2 duos have hyperthreading.

and to answer your question: If you have 2 PentiumEE (Extreme edition)
processors, which is dual core with hyperthreading, you have 4 logical
processors.

Thanks folks. You have impressed me with NOT doing the "d00d. AMD is
bettah!" type of things.

Okay folks...here are the questions so far:

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We know that Celerons were the cooler-running, value-minded chip from the
Pentium series, so will there be an incarnation of this series with the core
architechture?

Is Core like Centrino, Xeon and Itanium in that it is a different chip
design itself, and not just a tweak on numbers from Pentium, and will it be
replacing Pentium entirely?

The later Pentium 4's brought around the usage of LGA-775, (or Socket T)
and, as techies, we love that the chips are lasting longer than the
motherboard sockets rather than bending pins on the chip. Are there any
changes planned to make the socket more resiliant than the 10-20 chip-change
lifetime now expected? Will this socket or style of socket be around for
quite a while with the Cores?

The Presler core pushed the technology onto 65nm processes, is there
substantial work in the 40-45nm area yet, since we've seen some mumblings
from the RAM and semi-conductor manufacturers?

Is hyper-threading on its way out entirely?

Core 1 had both a Solo and a Duo, both aimed at laptops. Is there any
difference between those and the desktop market, and will the desktop market
have a Solo? If not, will the mobile version see usage in mini-itx and dumb
terminals, etc?

How will buying a Core2duo system instead of an AMD64-X2 system be better
for me?

Are there anymore CPUs in this series that will be limited to 32-bit only?
If not, what do you see as the future (or lack thereof) for 32-bit systems?

After looking at Intel's website on the info for Core2 Duo comparisons and
not really seeing anything obvious, what is the difference between the Core2
Duo and the Core2 Duo Extreme, other than a posted less-than 300MHz clock
difference?

Is there an advantage to Execute Disable Bit over AMD's Enhanced Virus
Protection or do they basically do the same thing?

I noticed that the clock speeds of the new Core2 Duos are far lower than the
how the PentiumD was rated. What, for instance, is the difference now
between a Core2 2.66GHz CPU and a PentiumD 2.66 GHz CPU?

AMD is talking about having quad-core chips out by 2007. Does Intel have any
plans along those lines?

My new Core 2 Duo machine is backordered because the E6600 I ordered was
delayed a week in releasing. What was the hold up for the E6600 and E6700?

What is the cornerstone of Core technology and what problems with NetBurst
does Core technology solve?

How is VT detected and enabled?

Is VT the same in the Core 2 as it is in the Core or have there been
enhancements in Core 2? If yes, what enhancement?

When is the hypervisor active in VT and when is it not?

I have problems with turning off VT in Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 beta. If I
create a Linux virtual machine that uses the most recent kernels (2.4 and
2.6) I have timer interval issues (runs too fast). Older kernels are OK.

(Follow up to 6) If I turn off VT for Linux vm's that have the timer
interval issue things are fine, but if I restart the vm VT is turned back
on. It's supposed to stay off. Have you heard reports like this with Core
cpu's and Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 beta?
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This probably qualifies as quasi-intelligent at best (maybe just plain dumb,
since it's still a comparison thing). But AMD is talking about having
quad-core chips out by 2007. Does Intel have any plans along those lines?


"Raven Mill" <nospammingdammit> wrote in message
news:ewOLuQSwGHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Okay folks...this is short notice, but I HAVE to ask...
>
> I will be doing a phone interview with the PR manager for the Core2 Duo
> from Intel for this week's TechTAK.
>
> What questions, if you were doing the interview, would you ask?
>
> And please, I could really use some INTELLIGENT questions, not just the
> "Why arn't yer intel chips as gudd as the amd chips?" Because, to be
> honest, I have them both and the Core2 Duo WAILS on the Athlon64 X2
> 4800... by a LONG shot. And that's not even taking into consideration the
> thermal problems that AMD has.
>
> So give me some questions...y'all got about 8 hours before the call is
> made...
>
>
>
>
>

Good question. Thanks...added it to the list.

"Alan Simpson" <noreply@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3F584563-C1E8-4BCE-B7FA-39223513BDC6@microsoft.com...

> This probably qualifies as quasi-intelligent at best (maybe just plain
> dumb, since it's still a comparison thing). But AMD is talking about
> having quad-core chips out by 2007. Does Intel have any plans along those
> lines?
>
>
> "Raven Mill" <nospammingdammit> wrote in message
> news:ewOLuQSwGHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Okay folks...this is short notice, but I HAVE to ask...
>>
>> I will be doing a phone interview with the PR manager for the Core2 Duo
>> from Intel for this week's TechTAK.
>>
>> What questions, if you were doing the interview, would you ask?
>>
>> And please, I could really use some INTELLIGENT questions, not just the
>> "Why arn't yer intel chips as gudd as the amd chips?" Because, to be
>> honest, I have them both and the Core2 Duo WAILS on the Athlon64 X2
>> 4800... by a LONG shot. And that's not even taking into consideration
>> the thermal problems that AMD has.
>>
>> So give me some questions...y'all got about 8 hours before the call is
>> made...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>

It's called Clovertown and it's should be in Q4 this year.

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"Raven Mill" <nospammingdammit> wrote in message
news:u%23Vl63WwGHA.840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Good question. Thanks...added it to the list.
>
> "Alan Simpson" <noreply@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:3F584563-C1E8-4BCE-B7FA-39223513BDC6@microsoft.com...

>> This probably qualifies as quasi-intelligent at best (maybe just plain
>> dumb, since it's still a comparison thing). But AMD is talking about
>> having quad-core chips out by 2007. Does Intel have any plans along those
>> lines?
>>
>>
>> "Raven Mill" <nospammingdammit> wrote in message
>> news:ewOLuQSwGHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Okay folks...this is short notice, but I HAVE to ask...
>>>
>>> I will be doing a phone interview with the PR manager for the Core2 Duo
>>> from Intel for this week's TechTAK.
>>>
>>> What questions, if you were doing the interview, would you ask?
>>>
>>> And please, I could really use some INTELLIGENT questions, not just the
>>> "Why arn't yer intel chips as gudd as the amd chips?" Because, to be
>>> honest, I have them both and the Core2 Duo WAILS on the Athlon64 X2
>>> 4800... by a LONG shot. And that's not even taking into consideration
>>> the thermal problems that AMD has.
>>>
>>> So give me some questions...y'all got about 8 hours before the call is
>>> made...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>

>
>

Raven Mill, will any of these questions help you out?

1. My new Core 2 Duo machine is backordered because the E6600 I ordered was
delayed a week in releasing. What was the hold up for the E6600 and E6700?

2. What is the cornerstone of Core technology and what problems with
NetBurst does Core technology solve?

3. How is VT detected and enabled?

4. Is VT the same in the Core 2 as it is in the Core or have there been
enhancements in Core 2? If yes, what enhancement?

5. When is the hypervisor active in VT and when is it not?

6. I have problems with turning off VT in Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 beta.
If I create a Linux virtual machine that uses the most recent kernels (2.4
and 2.6) I have timer interval issues (runs too fast). Older kernels are
OK.

7. (Follow up to 6) If I turn off VT for Linux vm's that have the timer
interval issue things are fine, but if I restart the vm VT is turned back
on. It's supposed to stay off. Have you heard reports like this with Core
cpu's and Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 beta?

"Raven Mill" <nospammingdammit> wrote in message
news:ewOLuQSwGHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Okay folks...this is short notice, but I HAVE to ask...
>
> I will be doing a phone interview with the PR manager for the Core2 Duo
> from Intel for this week's TechTAK.
>
> What questions, if you were doing the interview, would you ask?
>
> And please, I could really use some INTELLIGENT questions, not just the
> "Why arn't yer intel chips as gudd as the amd chips?" Because, to be
> honest, I have them both and the Core2 Duo WAILS on the Athlon64 X2
> 4800... by a LONG shot. And that's not even taking into consideration the
> thermal problems that AMD has.
>
> So give me some questions...y'all got about 8 hours before the call is
> made...
>
>
>
>
>

Hey Colin...I'll add the first 4, as they're pretty basic.

5, 6 & 7 are actually more OS questions than the hardware guy will probably
want to answer.

I'll run them by him, though, in case he has any thoughts on it.


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:u041lVUwGHA.1296@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Raven Mill, will any of these questions help you out?
>
> 1. My new Core 2 Duo machine is backordered because the E6600 I ordered
> was delayed a week in releasing. What was the hold up for the E6600 and
> E6700?
>
> 2. What is the cornerstone of Core technology and what problems with
> NetBurst does Core technology solve?
>
> 3. How is VT detected and enabled?
>
> 4. Is VT the same in the Core 2 as it is in the Core or have there been
> enhancements in Core 2? If yes, what enhancement?
>
> 5. When is the hypervisor active in VT and when is it not?
>
> 6. I have problems with turning off VT in Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1
> beta. If I create a Linux virtual machine that uses the most recent
> kernels (2.4 and 2.6) I have timer interval issues (runs too fast). Older
> kernels are OK.
>
> 7. (Follow up to 6) If I turn off VT for Linux vm's that have the timer
> interval issue things are fine, but if I restart the vm VT is turned back
> on. It's supposed to stay off. Have you heard reports like this with
> Core cpu's and Virtual Server 2005 R2 SP1 beta?
>
> "Raven Mill" <nospammingdammit> wrote in message
> news:ewOLuQSwGHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Okay folks...this is short notice, but I HAVE to ask...
>>
>> I will be doing a phone interview with the PR manager for the Core2 Duo
>> from Intel for this week's TechTAK.
>>
>> What questions, if you were doing the interview, would you ask?
>>
>> And please, I could really use some INTELLIGENT questions, not just the
>> "Why arn't yer intel chips as gudd as the amd chips?" Because, to be
>> honest, I have them both and the Core2 Duo WAILS on the Athlon64 X2
>> 4800... by a LONG shot. And that's not even taking into consideration
>> the thermal problems that AMD has.
>>
>> So give me some questions...y'all got about 8 hours before the call is
>> made...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
>