Test your router/IGD for Vista compatibility

Vista uses many advanced networking features that older routers may not
support. Basic connectivity should work in most cases but some of the
advanced networking features may need to be turned off or some parameters
changed. Try the test. The tests include some explanations of what is being
tested and why.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote in message
news:uaW16FUcHHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> As you know, a router is an external device that is not part of a notebook
> or desktop computer. Can you explain why a router may not be compatible
> with a Vista computer? Shouldn't any router work with any computer's
> operating system? I have a home network in which one computer is running
> under Windows XP, one is running under Ubuntu, one is running under
> Linspire, and one is running under Vista. The only one that has
> encountered any router problems is the one running under Vista.
>
> "Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:5cfk039lf30f30okkcggavttb4fq51mhnr@4ax.com...

>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx
>> --
>>
>> Barb Bowman
>> MS Windows-MVP
>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

>
>

Thank you. I tried the test. It was somewhat useful.


"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:eQIpqVUcHHA.4308@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Vista uses many advanced networking features that older routers may not
> support. Basic connectivity should work in most cases but some of the
> advanced networking features may need to be turned off or some parameters
> changed. Try the test. The tests include some explanations of what is
> being tested and why.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>
> "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote in message
> news:uaW16FUcHHA.3408@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> As you know, a router is an external device that is not part of a
>> notebook or desktop computer. Can you explain why a router may not be
>> compatible with a Vista computer? Shouldn't any router work with any
>> computer's operating system? I have a home network in which one computer
>> is running under Windows XP, one is running under Ubuntu, one is running
>> under Linspire, and one is running under Vista. The only one that has
>> encountered any router problems is the one running under Vista.
>>
>> "Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:5cfk039lf30f30okkcggavttb4fq51mhnr@4ax.com...

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx
>>> --
>>>
>>> Barb Bowman
>>> MS Windows-MVP
>>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
>>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

>>
>>

>

There are several pieces to the puzzle. Vista utilizes UPnP like
never before so if UPnP is not implemented properly, it could be an
issue. Vista doesn't like symmetric NATs. Even if the router fails
the IGD test, it may still work ok for some people.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:00:02 -0400, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:

>As you know, a router is an external device that is not part of a notebook
>or desktop computer. Can you explain why a router may not be compatible with
>a Vista computer? Shouldn't any router work with any computer's operating
>system? I have a home network in which one computer is running under Windows
>XP, one is running under Ubuntu, one is running under Linspire, and one is
>running under Vista. The only one that has encountered any router problems
>is the one running under Vista.
>
>"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:5cfk039lf30f30okkcggavttb4fq51mhnr@4ax.com.. .

>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx
>> --
>>
>> Barb Bowman
>> MS Windows-MVP
>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

>

--

Barb Bowman
MS Windows-MVP
Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

Thanks for your response.

Some may not understand the meaning of terms like UPnP (Universal Plug and
Play ??), symmetric NATs (creation of a mapping based on source IP address
and port number as well as the destination IP address and port number ??) ,
and UGDs (Ulteo General Daemon ??). Does Microsoft and other organizations
involved in computer software and hardware development really expect the
average computer user to know what these terms mean and how to use them? I
can assure you, most (including me) do not.

This must change if networking for home users is to continue. Far too many
details are left dangling (with no help from the OS "HELP" function) -
forcing the user to do an inordinate amount of research.

"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ru0l03ljdaah634ik68btqggms2mhkfn13@4ax.com...

> There are several pieces to the puzzle. Vista utilizes UPnP like
> never before so if UPnP is not implemented properly, it could be an
> issue. Vista doesn't like symmetric NATs. Even if the router fails
> the IGD test, it may still work ok for some people.
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:00:02 -0400, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:
>

>>As you know, a router is an external device that is not part of a notebook
>>or desktop computer. Can you explain why a router may not be compatible
>>with
>>a Vista computer? Shouldn't any router work with any computer's operating
>>system? I have a home network in which one computer is running under
>>Windows
>>XP, one is running under Ubuntu, one is running under Linspire, and one is
>>running under Vista. The only one that has encountered any router problems
>>is the one running under Vista.
>>
>>"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:5cfk039lf30f30okkcggavttb4fq51mhnr@4ax.com. ..

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx
>>> --
>>>
>>> Barb Bowman
>>> MS Windows-MVP
>>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
>>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

>>

> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS Windows-MVP
> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

there is actually a more info link on the test page itself that
leads to
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi.../moreinfo.mspx

the explanations there are pretty good.

what do you think?

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:50:07 -0400, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:

>Thanks for your response.
>
>Some may not understand the meaning of terms like UPnP (Universal Plug and
>Play ??), symmetric NATs (creation of a mapping based on source IP address
>and port number as well as the destination IP address and port number ??) ,
>and UGDs (Ulteo General Daemon ??). Does Microsoft and other organizations
>involved in computer software and hardware development really expect the
>average computer user to know what these terms mean and how to use them? I
>can assure you, most (including me) do not.
>
>This must change if networking for home users is to continue. Far too many
>details are left dangling (with no help from the OS "HELP" function) -
>forcing the user to do an inordinate amount of research.
>
>"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:ru0l03ljdaah634ik68btqggms2mhkfn13@4ax.com.. .

>> There are several pieces to the puzzle. Vista utilizes UPnP like
>> never before so if UPnP is not implemented properly, it could be an
>> issue. Vista doesn't like symmetric NATs. Even if the router fails
>> the IGD test, it may still work ok for some people.
>>
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:00:02 -0400, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:
>>

>>>As you know, a router is an external device that is not part of a notebook
>>>or desktop computer. Can you explain why a router may not be compatible
>>>with
>>>a Vista computer? Shouldn't any router work with any computer's operating
>>>system? I have a home network in which one computer is running under
>>>Windows
>>>XP, one is running under Ubuntu, one is running under Linspire, and one is
>>>running under Vista. The only one that has encountered any router problems
>>>is the one running under Vista.
>>>
>>>"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>news:5cfk039lf30f30okkcggavttb4fq51mhnr@4ax.com ...
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Barb Bowman
>>>> MS Windows-MVP
>>>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
>>>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
>>>

>> --
>>
>> Barb Bowman
>> MS Windows-MVP
>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

>

--

Barb Bowman
MS Windows-MVP
Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

What do I think? Well, the definitions are certainly there, and they are at
least described in non-technical terms. The problem is, there is really no
connection (pardon the pun) between the definitions and the implementation
of those definitions.

"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:nkal031puc2km0d6qku1obhbl2nbv0ev24@4ax.com...

> there is actually a more info link on the test page itself that
> leads to
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi.../moreinfo.mspx
>
> the explanations there are pretty good.
>
> what do you think?
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:50:07 -0400, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:
>

>>Thanks for your response.
>>
>>Some may not understand the meaning of terms like UPnP (Universal Plug and
>>Play ??), symmetric NATs (creation of a mapping based on source IP address
>>and port number as well as the destination IP address and port number ??)
>>,
>>and UGDs (Ulteo General Daemon ??). Does Microsoft and other organizations
>>involved in computer software and hardware development really expect the
>>average computer user to know what these terms mean and how to use them? I
>>can assure you, most (including me) do not.
>>
>>This must change if networking for home users is to continue. Far too many
>>details are left dangling (with no help from the OS "HELP" function) -
>>forcing the user to do an inordinate amount of research.
>>
>>"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:ru0l03ljdaah634ik68btqggms2mhkfn13@4ax.com. ..

>>> There are several pieces to the puzzle. Vista utilizes UPnP like
>>> never before so if UPnP is not implemented properly, it could be an
>>> issue. Vista doesn't like symmetric NATs. Even if the router fails
>>> the IGD test, it may still work ok for some people.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:00:02 -0400, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:
>>>
>>>>As you know, a router is an external device that is not part of a
>>>>notebook
>>>>or desktop computer. Can you explain why a router may not be compatible
>>>>with
>>>>a Vista computer? Shouldn't any router work with any computer's
>>>>operating
>>>>system? I have a home network in which one computer is running under
>>>>Windows
>>>>XP, one is running under Ubuntu, one is running under Linspire, and one
>>>>is
>>>>running under Vista. The only one that has encountered any router
>>>>problems
>>>>is the one running under Vista.
>>>>
>>>>"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:5cfk039lf30f30okkcggavttb4fq51mhnr@4ax.co m...
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Barb Bowman
>>>>> MS Windows-MVP
>>>>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
>>>>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Barb Bowman
>>> MS Windows-MVP
>>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
>>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

>>

> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS Windows-MVP
> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

Thank you Papa: you hit this on the head..speak clear conseis english, and
in Layman terms..so us common user can understand..

I cant get my printer to work with my vitsa on laptop to work with my xp

"Papa" wrote:

> Thanks for your response.
>
> Some may not understand the meaning of terms like UPnP (Universal Plug and
> Play ??), symmetric NATs (creation of a mapping based on source IP address
> and port number as well as the destination IP address and port number ??) ,
> and UGDs (Ulteo General Daemon ??). Does Microsoft and other organizations
> involved in computer software and hardware development really expect the
> average computer user to know what these terms mean and how to use them? I
> can assure you, most (including me) do not.
>
> This must change if networking for home users is to continue. Far too many
> details are left dangling (with no help from the OS "HELP" function) -
> forcing the user to do an inordinate amount of research.
>
> "Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ru0l03ljdaah634ik68btqggms2mhkfn13@4ax.com...

> > There are several pieces to the puzzle. Vista utilizes UPnP like
> > never before so if UPnP is not implemented properly, it could be an
> > issue. Vista doesn't like symmetric NATs. Even if the router fails
> > the IGD test, it may still work ok for some people.
> >
> > On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:00:02 -0400, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:
> >

> >>As you know, a router is an external device that is not part of a notebook
> >>or desktop computer. Can you explain why a router may not be compatible
> >>with
> >>a Vista computer? Shouldn't any router work with any computer's operating
> >>system? I have a home network in which one computer is running under
> >>Windows
> >>XP, one is running under Ubuntu, one is running under Linspire, and one is
> >>running under Vista. The only one that has encountered any router problems
> >>is the one running under Vista.
> >>
> >>"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
> >>news:5cfk039lf30f30okkcggavttb4fq51mhnr@4ax.com. ..
> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> Barb Bowman
> >>> MS Windows-MVP
> >>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> >>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/
> >>

> > --
> >
> > Barb Bowman
> > MS Windows-MVP
> > Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> > http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

>
>
>

Cheers Barb,

You mentioned that Vista doesn't "like" SYMMETRIC NAT. What specifically is
it that Vista doesn't like about SYMMETRIC NAT?

As that's the most prevalent form of NAT on the planet, and MOST routers
don't support Teredo, what is Microsoft expecting everyone to do? I see
there are roughly 10 or so routers that are certified for Vista (and most of
them are problematic for other reasons in todays broadband environment) does
Microsoft expect everyone to replace their current enterprise class
equipment with the home equipment shown as certified?

Joe

"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ru0l03ljdaah634ik68btqggms2mhkfn13@4ax.com...

> There are several pieces to the puzzle. Vista utilizes UPnP like
> never before so if UPnP is not implemented properly, it could be an
> issue. Vista doesn't like symmetric NATs. Even if the router fails
> the IGD test, it may still work ok for some people.
>
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:00:02 -0400, "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote:
>

>>As you know, a router is an external device that is not part of a notebook
>>or desktop computer. Can you explain why a router may not be compatible
>>with
>>a Vista computer? Shouldn't any router work with any computer's operating
>>system? I have a home network in which one computer is running under
>>Windows
>>XP, one is running under Ubuntu, one is running under Linspire, and one is
>>running under Vista. The only one that has encountered any router problems
>>is the one running under Vista.
>>
>>"Barb Bowman" <barb@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>news:5cfk039lf30f30okkcggavttb4fq51mhnr@4ax.com. ..

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/usi...d/default.mspx
>>> --
>>>
>>> Barb Bowman
>>> MS Windows-MVP
>>> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
>>> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/

>>

> --
>
> Barb Bowman
> MS Windows-MVP
> Expert Zone & Vista Community Columnist
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/e...ts/bowman.mspx
> http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/