The *Question* remains

I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying. That is
the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to qualify for
upgrade pricing.

"Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>
> Chris
>
> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>
>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>> be a bootable disk?
>>
>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion

>

Thanks Colin and Chris. Please - no disrespect intended. You are,
both, excellent participants in this News Group.

However - it took only one reply to the OP for 'speculation' to be
offered and the reply to that one changed the subject entirely.

I assure the answer to the OP is we are NOT going to get an answer from
anyone that knows certain and is willing to stake their, and
Microsoft's, reputation on an honest answer.



Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying. That is
> the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to qualify for
> upgrade pricing.
>
> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>>
>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>>> be a bootable disk?
>>>
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion

>
>

Hello,
The Volume License upgrade disk will not be bootable.
The Retail Upgrade disk will be bootable. ( You will be able to boot from
the disk to run repairs)
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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<
<
<
<Colin Barnhorst wrote:
<> I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying. That
is
<> the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to qualify
for
<> upgrade pricing.
<>
<> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote
in
<> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
<>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
<>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
<>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you
aren't
<>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
<>>
<>> Chris
<>>
<>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
<>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
<>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista
*Upgrade*
<>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
<>>>
<>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
<>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss
others)
<>>> be a bootable disk?
<>>>
<>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
<>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
<>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
<>
<>
<

Thanks Darrell.


""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:toa$RHpEHHA.1976@TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl...

> Hello,
> The Volume License upgrade disk will not be bootable.
> The Retail Upgrade disk will be bootable. ( You will be able to boot from
> the disk to run repairs)
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> --------------------
> <Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:12:17 -0800
> <From: "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org>
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> <
> <Thanks Colin and Chris. Please - no disrespect intended. You are,
> <both, excellent participants in this News Group.
> <
> <However - it took only one reply to the OP for 'speculation' to be
> <offered and the reply to that one changed the subject entirely.
> <
> <I assure the answer to the OP is we are NOT going to get an answer from
> <anyone that knows certain and is willing to stake their, and
> <Microsoft's, reputation on an honest answer.
> <
> <
> <
> <Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> <> I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying.
> That
> is
> <> the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to
> qualify
> for
> <> upgrade pricing.
> <>
> <> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote
> in
> <> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> <>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be
> bootable.
> <>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
> <>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you
> aren't
> <>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
> <>>
> <>> Chris
> <>>
> <>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
> <>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> <>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista
> *Upgrade*
> <>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
> <>>>
> <>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
> <>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss
> others)
> <>>> be a bootable disk?
> <>>>
> <>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
> <>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
> <>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
> <>
> <>
> <
>

I understand that the retail Upgrade Edition dvd's will boot a computer. Is
it the case that the retail Upgrade Edition Setup cannot be started by
booting with the dvd but must be run in install-in-place mode only?

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:toa$RHpEHHA.1976@TK2MSFTNGXA01.phx.gbl...

> Hello,
> The Volume License upgrade disk will not be bootable.
> The Retail Upgrade disk will be bootable. ( You will be able to boot from
> the disk to run repairs)
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> --------------------
> <Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 13:12:17 -0800
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> <Thanks Colin and Chris. Please - no disrespect intended. You are,
> <both, excellent participants in this News Group.
> <
> <However - it took only one reply to the OP for 'speculation' to be
> <offered and the reply to that one changed the subject entirely.
> <
> <I assure the answer to the OP is we are NOT going to get an answer from
> <anyone that knows certain and is willing to stake their, and
> <Microsoft's, reputation on an honest answer.
> <
> <
> <
> <Colin Barnhorst wrote:
> <> I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying.
> That
> is
> <> the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to
> qualify
> for
> <> upgrade pricing.
> <>
> <> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote
> in
> <> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> <>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be
> bootable.
> <>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
> <>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you
> aren't
> <>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
> <>>
> <>> Chris
> <>>
> <>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
> <>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> <>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista
> *Upgrade*
> <>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
> <>>>
> <>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
> <>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss
> others)
> <>>> be a bootable disk?
> <>>>
> <>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
> <>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
> <>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
> <>
> <>
> <
>

If Microsoft wanted to be really aggressive about strict enforcement of
the XP EULA relative to upgrades, they could implement a scheme in which
you had to install Windows Vista upgrade under a running, activated and
validated copy of XP, and then the act of upgrading to Vista actually
canceled that XP product key for good ... the XP product key would no
longer activate or be validated as genuine. Of course, that would cause
a HUGE problem for reinstallation from scratch, for example if a hard
drive failed and had to be replaced. Hopefully, they have not done
anything that draconian.

Still, I agree that fundamental and important questions remain
unanswered. And I suspect will remain unanswered until we get our hands
on actual retail production upgrade media.



Colin Barnhorst wrote:

> I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying. That is
> the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to qualify for
> upgrade pricing.
>
> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>>
>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>>> be a bootable disk?
>>>
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion

>
>

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:uWdH64ZEHHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying. That is
>the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to qualify
>for upgrade pricing.

But according to MS, Windows 2000 is a qualifiying Upgrade product (albeit
requiring a Clean install). 2000 did not require acitvation so why go to all
this trouble checking for an activated XP install?

>
> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>>
>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>>> be a bootable disk?
>>>
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion

>>

>
>

Windows Genuine Advantage will validate Win 2000. MS does not disclose what
that involves. I suspect WGA simply gives silent assent at the point where
it would do the activation check for XP and then proceeds. I believe that
is how it works now on Windows Downloads when Windows Validation is
required. How WGA actually does all of these things is proprietary info
that MS is reluctant to disclose for pretty obvious reasons.

"Brian W" <brian.NOSPAMwescombe@PLEASEntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:87dbh.29$d14.6@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...

>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:uWdH64ZEHHA.4620@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>I don't know that the concern is piracy as much as casual copying. That
>>is the reuse of the XP license (or continued use) after using it to
>>qualify for upgrade pricing.

>
> But according to MS, Windows 2000 is a qualifiying Upgrade product (albeit
> requiring a Clean install). 2000 did not require acitvation so why go to
> all this trouble checking for an activated XP install?
>

>>
>> "Chris Holmes [Chris123NT]" <chris@nospam.chris123nt.nospam.com> wrote in
>> message news:emtCA0ZEHHA.4464@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Everything I have seen says that the upgrade disk will NOT be bootable.
>>> You will need to start the upgrade process inside an existing windows
>>> install as the installer will do a Genuine check to make sure you aren't
>>> trying to upgrade from a pirated copy of Windows.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> "Dr. Heywood Floyd" <dhfloyd@2001.org> wrote in message
>>> news:uBrw%23xZEHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> After days of banter, bank and forth, on the subject of Vista *Upgrade*
>>>> Disks being bootable, or not, the question remains - unanswered.
>>>>
>>>> Is/will the commercial, consumer purchased post Jan 30, 07, *upgrade*
>>>> (that's U P G R A D E - for those of you that want to discuss others)
>>>> be a bootable disk?
>>>>
>>>> The question *is NOT* asked about Vista RTM
>>>> The question *is NOT* asked about XP
>>>> The question *is NOT* asking for speculation or opinion
>>>

>>
>>

>