Unable change firewall settings

Posted: 06-14-2008, 12:43 PM


I am running Windows Vista Starter and I am having problems allowing
exceptions to work through my firewall. In particular I want to be able to
use Remote Assistance. I can check it in the exceptions list but when I try
to run it I get a message that tells me it is being blocked by Windows
Firewall.

I also have tried to turn the Windows firewall off completely but the “Turn
Windows Firewall on and off” screen is greyed out and so I cannot change that
setting either. There is a message on the screen that says “For your security
some settings are controlled by Group Policy”

I bought this pc a month ago. It was brand new and I set myself up as a
user. It is for home use only and has never been a part of a network.

I am the only user set up on my system and so am an administrator with full
rights.

I do not have any other firewall installed and I do not have a router either.

Could somebody help me please? As I am a novice in computer systems an
answer in non technical language would be very much appreciated.

If there is any other information that you require I will be pleased to give
it to you

Many thanks

Unable change firewall settings


Responses to "Unable change firewall settings"

Mr. Arnold
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Re: Unable change firewall settings
Posted: 06-15-2008, 12:38 AM

"sharon" <sharon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> I am running Windows Vista Starter and I am having problems allowing
> exceptions to work through my firewall. In particular I want to be able
> to
> use Remote Assistance. I can check it in the exceptions list but when I
> try
> to run it I get a message that tells me it is being blocked by Windows
> Firewall.
>
> I also have tried to turn the Windows firewall off completely but the
> “Turn
> Windows Firewall on and off” screen is greyed out and so I cannot change
> that
> setting either. There is a message on the screen that says “For your
> security
> some settings are controlled by Group Policy”
Did you try to run the short-cut/program with Run as Administrator to
escalate your privileges, even as admin?
>
> I bought this pc a month ago. It was brand new and I set myself up as a
> user. It is for home use only and has never been a part of a network.
>
> I am the only user set up on my system and so am an administrator with
> full
> rights.
>
No, that may not be so on Vista. In some cases, even someone with admin
rights, the user is locked down with standard user rights, which must be
escalated by using Run as Administrator.




Chappy
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RE: Unable change firewall settings
Posted: 06-16-2008, 02:55 AM
Hi

Try disabling the Windows Firewall Service itself, that's how I disabled it
to run another Firewall, since the built-in Windows firewall is kinda cr@ppy..

In Control Panel, Admin tools, click Services, scroll to Windows Firewall.
Dbl-clk it to open the properties, click Stop the Service and then set the
Startup Type to Disabled. Reboot and this should take care of that for you.
When you're done with Remote help be sure to reverse those settings...even
tho it's a cr@ppy firewall it's better than no firewall at all.

Dave
Mr. Arnold
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Re: Unable change firewall settings
Posted: 06-16-2008, 02:40 PM

"Chappy" <Chappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
>
> Try disabling the Windows Firewall Service itself, that's how I disabled
> it
> to run another Firewall, since the built-in Windows firewall is kinda
> cr@ppy..
>
If you have made this statement about the Vista FW/packet filter, then you
do not know what you are talking about.
> In Control Panel, Admin tools, click Services, scroll to Windows Firewall.
> Dbl-clk it to open the properties, click Stop the Service and then set the
> Startup Type to Disabled. Reboot and this should take care of that for
> you.
> When you're done with Remote help be sure to reverse those settings...even
> tho it's a cr@ppy firewall it's better than no firewall at all.
You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to the Vista
FW/packet filter.

I suspect that you have installed some kind of a 3rd party snake-oil crap
solution that's your security blanket that's trying to protect *you* from
*you* that it cannot do, with all the little bells and whistles.

What is it?

Chappy
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Re: Unable change firewall settings
Posted: 07-13-2008, 06:39 AM
LOL Mr Arnold....you're talking out of yous @ss!

I've been in the AV & security field for over 20 years, so I DO know what
I'm talking about.
I run Comodo Firewall Pro and if you need confirmation of just how bad the
Windows firewall is, check out the highest ranked Firewall testing facility,
Matousec http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/ and see for
yourself.

Snake oil crap....security blanket...you're Funny!!!
Except, I forgot to laugh because I know more about securing a Windoes box
than you'll learn in your lifetime...a$$hole

"Mr. Arnold" wrote:
>
> "Chappy" <Chappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:3127838B-EB9A-4B68-8C21-2B24B39629D4@microsoft.com...
> > Hi
> >
> > Try disabling the Windows Firewall Service itself, that's how I disabled
> > it
> > to run another Firewall, since the built-in Windows firewall is kinda
> > cr@ppy..
> >
> If you have made this statement about the Vista FW/packet filter, then you
> do not know what you are talking about.
>
> > In Control Panel, Admin tools, click Services, scroll to Windows Firewall.
> > Dbl-clk it to open the properties, click Stop the Service and then set the
> > Startup Type to Disabled. Reboot and this should take care of that for
> > you.
> > When you're done with Remote help be sure to reverse those settings...even
> > tho it's a cr@ppy firewall it's better than no firewall at all.
>
> You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to the Vista
> FW/packet filter.
>
> I suspect that you have installed some kind of a 3rd party snake-oil crap
> solution that's your security blanket that's trying to protect *you* from
> *you* that it cannot do, with all the little bells and whistles.
>
> What is it?
>
>
Chappy
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Re: Unable change firewall settings
Posted: 07-13-2008, 06:50 AM

Mr Arnold

I'm a HijackThis teacher and an Independent Malware tester for new & unknown
varients.
I was awarded a Lifetime membership to Virus Bulletin for my work. In case
you don't know what Virus Bulletin is...well, if you don't know then that
says it all about your security knowledge.

I have personally tested and written solutions for over 1000 Windows
Security Vulnerabilities. I currently have over 750 Trojans and Virus in my
testbed machine that I've fully decompiled and written signature files
for...what's your security experience? Running an AV scan weekly?
I also was a Beta tester for Eset with their Eset Security suite (Firewall
mostly), and Comodo V3 Firewall for 64bit.

Before you go shooting your wad again, maybe you should stop & think that
there are True security experts out there.
Nonny
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Re: Unable change firewall settings
Posted: 07-13-2008, 09:43 AM
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:50:00 -0700, Chappy
<Chappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>Mr Arnold
>
>I'm a HijackThis teacher and an Independent Malware tester for new & unknown
>varients.
>I was awarded a Lifetime membership to Virus Bulletin for my work. In case
>you don't know what Virus Bulletin is...well, if you don't know then that
>says it all about your security knowledge.
>
>I have personally tested and written solutions for over 1000 Windows
>Security Vulnerabilities. I currently have over 750 Trojans and Virus in my
>testbed machine that I've fully decompiled and written signature files
>for...what's your security experience? Running an AV scan weekly?
>I also was a Beta tester for Eset with their Eset Security suite (Firewall
>mostly), and Comodo V3 Firewall for 64bit.
>
>Before you go shooting your wad again, maybe you should stop & think that
>there are True security experts out there.
Mr. Arnold, consider yourself properly bitch-slapped.
Dave
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Re: Unable change firewall settings
Posted: 07-13-2008, 01:37 PM
My money is on Arnold.


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"Nonny" <nonnymoose@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 23:50:00 -0700, Chappy
> <Chappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Mr Arnold
>>
>>I'm a HijackThis teacher and an Independent Malware tester for new &
>>unknown
>>varients.
>>I was awarded a Lifetime membership to Virus Bulletin for my work. In case
>>you don't know what Virus Bulletin is...well, if you don't know then that
>>says it all about your security knowledge.
>>
>>I have personally tested and written solutions for over 1000 Windows
>>Security Vulnerabilities. I currently have over 750 Trojans and Virus in
>>my
>>testbed machine that I've fully decompiled and written signature files
>>for...what's your security experience? Running an AV scan weekly?
>>I also was a Beta tester for Eset with their Eset Security suite (Firewall
>>mostly), and Comodo V3 Firewall for 64bit.
>>
>>Before you go shooting your wad again, maybe you should stop & think that
>>there are True security experts out there.
>
> Mr. Arnold, consider yourself properly bitch-slapped.
the
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Re: Unable change firewall settings
Posted: 07-13-2008, 04:12 PM
Nonny wrote:

<snipped>

Nonny, why would make up such a lie about someone? There is obviously
something wrong with you, you have serious mental issues and you need to
be locked up.

Mr. Arnold
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Re: Unable change firewall settings
Posted: 07-13-2008, 05:20 PM

"Chappy" <Chappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> LOL Mr Arnold....you're talking out of yous @ss!
>
> I've been in the AV & security field for over 20 years, so I DO know what
> I'm talking about.
> I run Comodo Firewall Pro and if you need confirmation of just how bad the
> Windows firewall is, check out the highest ranked Firewall testing
> facility,
> Matousec http://www.matousec.com/projects/firewall-challenge/ and see for
> yourself.
>
That is BS you're talking about Comodo.

Something like that junk Comodo is not even a FW. It's a machine level
packet filter that protects at the machine level. That junk you're talking
about doesn't fit the definition of FW. That junk doesn't not separate two
networks. A FW will protect from the network it's protecting from usually
the Internet and the network it is protecting the LAN. A FW sits at the
junction point between the two networks.

In either case, a FW must have have two network interfaces. One interface
must face the network it is protecting from, and the other interface must be
facing the network it is protecting. It doesn't matter if it is a hardware
device such as a FW appliance or a host based network FW running on a
secured/locked down gateway computer, with the gateway computer using two
NIC(s).

A FW segments networks and reduces the risk of damage between networks.

What is being talked about are FW(s) and some junk like Comodo and other 3rd
party solutions are not FW(s).

http://www.more.net/technical/netserv/tcpip/firewalls/

> Snake oil crap....security blanket...you're Funny!!!
Well, that's exactly what they are 3rd party snake-oil solutions that
introduces more security i8ssues/risks to the machine.
> Except, I forgot to laugh because I know more about securing a Windoes box
> than you'll learn in your lifetime...a$$hole
Sure you do. So you know how to lock down a machine whether it be a
workstation or server running IIS with the machine facing the public
Internet. You know how to secure/lockdown the O/S, IIS, file system,
registry and user accounts for a machine that's facing the public Internet.

I would much rather use the Vista packet filter or FW if you like and IPsec,
with the Vista packet filter being an intergrated part of the O/S which will
hold connections to a newtork until its FW/packet filter is up and running
before inbound or outbound connections can be made based on filtering rules
set, which can be done by the advanced features of the Vista packet filter,
if I need be.

http://articles.techrepublic.com.com...1-6098592.html

I also like to use IPsec in a supplement fashion behind the Vista packet
filer in case its packet filter or any 3rd party packet filter, which most
won't even call a 3rd party solution a packet filter, is taken out or
circumvented on the machine.

http://www.petri.co.il/block_ping_tr...with_ipsec.htm
http://www.analogx.com/CONTENTS/articles/ipsec.htm
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813878

That's when any machine I have has a direct connection to the modem and to
the Internet. When the machines are behind my Watchguard FW appliance, the
Windows and Linux machins have no need to run a FW/packet filter.

BTW, I have been doing this since 1971, and I am still going strong in
Information Thecnology.


 
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