RE: Upgrade to Vista for XP Media Center 2005 OEM recovery disc

You are confusing "upgrade"with "clean install".

"Rhino90" <Rhino90@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I heard that when you use a Vista UPGRADE disc it will ask you to choose
> either Upgrade or Clean Install, and if you select Clean Install it will
> ask
> for a Genuine Windows XP disc. I only have a OEM Recovery Disc 'cause
> thats
> all that came with my new computer. Will the recovery disc work if I
> choose
> Clean Install.
>
> Thanks.

Rhino90 wrote:

> Hi,
> I heard that when you use a Vista UPGRADE disc it will ask you to choose
> either Upgrade or Clean Install, and if you select Clean Install it will ask
> for a Genuine Windows XP disc. I only have a OEM Recovery Disc 'cause thats
> all that came with my new computer. Will the recovery disc work if I choose
> Clean Install.
>
> Thanks.

Actually that is slightly wrong. It may choose to either upgrade or do
a custom install. In certain scenarios a custom install is required
(i.e. going from xp pro to home premium) and as such you cannot start
the installer from within Windows. However the copy still has to be
installed. Also I believe that the OEM versions are not eligible for
upgrade anyways unless the upgrade disc came from the OEM of the computer.

Where did you read that OEM installations don't work the same as retail? If
Setup finds a genuine copy of Win2k, XP, or XP x64 you will be able to
install Vista using a retail upgrade edition product key.

"Robert Pendell" <shinji257@uplink.net> wrote in message
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> Rhino90 wrote:

>> Hi,
>> I heard that when you use a Vista UPGRADE disc it will ask you to choose
>> either Upgrade or Clean Install, and if you select Clean Install it will
>> ask
>> for a Genuine Windows XP disc. I only have a OEM Recovery Disc 'cause
>> thats
>> all that came with my new computer. Will the recovery disc work if I
>> choose
>> Clean Install.
>>
>> Thanks.

>
> Actually that is slightly wrong. It may choose to either upgrade or do
> a custom install. In certain scenarios a custom install is required
> (i.e. going from xp pro to home premium) and as such you cannot start
> the installer from within Windows. However the copy still has to be
> installed. Also I believe that the OEM versions are not eligible for
> upgrade anyways unless the upgrade disc came from the OEM of the computer.

You cannot choose clean install. There is no such option. The options are
"ugprade" and "custom" and the difference is whether or not you can retain
your files, settings, and apps or have to reinstall them.

Vista setup will not request shiny media for verification of eligibility for
upgrade pricing. It will search the system for installed Windows.

Your recovery cd is not applicable since Windows must be installed,
activated, and genuine in order for you to use an upgrade edition to install
Vista.

The term "clean install" is a concept but not a choice on any Setup screens.

"Rhino90" <Rhino90@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I heard that when you use a Vista UPGRADE disc it will ask you to choose
> either Upgrade or Clean Install, and if you select Clean Install it will
> ask
> for a Genuine Windows XP disc. I only have a OEM Recovery Disc 'cause
> thats
> all that came with my new computer. Will the recovery disc work if I
> choose
> Clean Install.
>
> Thanks.

What I mean is, if I choose Custom Install on a Vista UPGRADE disc I know
that the setup will ask for an XP CD. But when I bought my computer all I got
was a RECOVERY DISC that says Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Version 2005
For Distribution Only With a New Optima PC. So will the Vista setup accept
the Recovery disc.

Thanks.

Rhino90 wrote:

> What I mean is, if I choose Custom Install on a Vista UPGRADE disc I know
> that the setup will ask for an XP CD. But when I bought my computer all I
> got was a RECOVERY DISC that says Microsoft Windows XP Media Center
> Version 2005 For Distribution Only With a New Optima PC. So will the Vista
> setup accept the Recovery disc.

Your knowledge that the Vista upgrade setup will ask for a qualifying
install cd (XP) to be inserted is wrong. You've been told this several
times. Here it is one last time: you can only use the Vista upgrade from a
working older operating system. You cannot do a clean install with the
Vista upgrade version.

Vista will not ask for the Recovery Disk or any other disk. You will insert
the Vista upgrade disk while running XP Media Center. End of story.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

We have just learned from Darrel Gorter that there are situations where you
will not be required to run Setup from a desktop after entering the upgrade
edition pk. An example might be migrating from XP Pro SP2 to Vista Home
Premium. Darrel ran an experiment in which he booted with a dvd and used an
upgrade edition product key and Setup did a compliance check and then
continued with the installation without requiring him to restart and run
Setup from a desktop. I posted more details in vista.general. This is new
news as it were.

However it remains true that the OP still won't be asked for shiny media.

"Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Rhino90 wrote:
>

>> What I mean is, if I choose Custom Install on a Vista UPGRADE disc I know
>> that the setup will ask for an XP CD. But when I bought my computer all I
>> got was a RECOVERY DISC that says Microsoft Windows XP Media Center
>> Version 2005 For Distribution Only With a New Optima PC. So will the
>> Vista
>> setup accept the Recovery disc.

>
> Your knowledge that the Vista upgrade setup will ask for a qualifying
> install cd (XP) to be inserted is wrong. You've been told this several
> times. Here it is one last time: you can only use the Vista upgrade from a
> working older operating system. You cannot do a clean install with the
> Vista upgrade version.
>
> Vista will not ask for the Recovery Disk or any other disk. You will
> insert
> the Vista upgrade disk while running XP Media Center. End of story.
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Thank you for the kind remarks.

"Clean" install is not an option on any screen, full edition or upgrade.
You only get custom and upgrade options. However, if you boot with a full
edition dvd you will have the Advanced Options button which leads to the
format command. That means you can do a clean install when you have booted
with the dvd by reformatting the target before you select custom.

When you start Setup, full edition or upgrade, from a desktop though you do
not get the Advanced Options button and therefore cannot format from within
Setup. Since a custom option will only do a format if the disk is raw, you
are not guaranteed a classic clean installation when you use custom if
reformatting is part of your idea of what constitutes a "clean" install.

Having said all of this, Darrel Gorter did an experiment with an upgrade
edition product key and his findings have certainly shed new light on what
we can and cannot do. It came out that an upgrade edition product key does
not always require running from a desktop. I started a discussion of his
findings in vista.general.

"morrisg" <morrisg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>

>> The term "clean install" is a concept but not a choice on any Setup
>> screens.

>
> Colin, I know that you give a lot of your time and experience for the
> benefit of the rest of us. We hang on your every word.
> So, reading your sentence above, should it have said "....not a
> choice
> of on any UPGRADE Setup screen" ?
> (I know you were responding to a question specifically about upgrading)
>
> But surely, it's a choice with a full retail version?
> By the way, I was impressed with your patience with the original poster,
> you
> have clarified this item many times.
>
> Many thanks
> morrisg
>
>