Re: Use OE as newsgroup ?

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi
>
>If you are not sure how to setup OE to use News Groups,

the following article will help you:

>
>"Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader"
>http://michaelstevenstech.com/outloo...snewreader.htm
>
>Courtesy of MVP Michael Stevens.
>
>You prefer the CDO Interface over OE - why? The CDO

Interface is hard to search and ergo hard to find your
own postings if they are more than a few minutes old. I
can't see any advantages of using the CDO Interface
instead of a News Reader - perhaps you can change my
mind!!!!

>
>You're lucky that you haven't posted this message into

one of the Win ME news groups...

>
>Will
>
>"DonE" <fakeaddress@nospam.com> wrote in message

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>> I've seen it mentioned that anyone not using OE in
>> newsgroups is "misinformed", and some claim that

anyone

>> not using OE has "something to hide".There have been

some

>> that said OE is superior in one way or another. Why

do'nt

>> we clear the air here and now? If you have

an "opinion"

>> you are entitled to that opinion. As we in the USA

like

>> to say " It's a free country ", and until someone

proves

>> me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
>> without having to defend themselves from those who

resort

>> to name calling when they have nothing intelligent to

say.

>> I'm new to newsgroups and am using a web based

newsreader.

>> I tried OE but did not like it. Lets just say it is a
>> personal prefrance and I have no scientific reason.

I'm

>> still trying to learn about computers and use the
>> newsgroups to gain knowledge that is either

unavailable

>> or too difficult for a newbie to locate. Any takers?
>>

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> Color me confused,but why is it that I am lucky I

did'nt post what ever it was on a ME newsgroup ?
If the call went out for all with Windows ME to go beat
up everyone who says what ever you were implying I said,
I must have missed it. My previous computer was Windows
ME. Guess I'd better go fire it up and see whatever it
was to which you were infiring.

DonE,

OK, my reasons for preferring Outlook Express are:
1) Messages refresh every time OE checks for mail (5 mins on my system), so
I don't have the endless drudgery of having to manually refresh a web page.
2) I don't have rows of ads and blinking banners taking up half the
available window space.
3) Threads are more easily followed without clicking back and forth to other
pages.
4) Using a dedicated news server directly leaves out conversion to an html
webpage.
5) The visual layout is so much clearer and cleaner generally.
6) Erm....er...surely only a pussy would read NNTP by HTTP?

How's that?
Chek


"DonE" <fakeaddress@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Well I just checked back and so far I've received two

> replies to this time. However neither reply gave any
> specifics as to why OE makes a better news reader.
> Since OE is easier to search as one claimed,he should
> have no problem finding that "misinformed" comment. I
> did'nt. And why, pray tell, would using a web based
> newsreader make it more difficult to learn ?
> Come on people give me specifics , not implied reasons
> with no basis in fact. Give everyone reading this the
> facts they need to convince them that OE newsreader is
> superior. Hope to hear from anyone with reasons based in
> provable facts.

>-----Original Message-----
>
>"DonE" <fakeaddress@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:057901c37e30$8e515250$a401280a@phx.gbl...

>> I've seen it mentioned that anyone not using OE in
>> newsgroups is "misinformed", and some claim that anyone
>> not using OE has "something to hide".There have been

some

>> that said OE is superior in one way or another. Why

do'nt

>> we clear the air here and now? If you have an "opinion"
>> you are entitled to that opinion. As we in the USA like
>> to say " It's a free country ", and until someone

proves

>> me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
>> without having to defend themselves from those who

resort

>> to name calling when they have nothing intelligent to

say.

>> I'm new to newsgroups and am using a web based

newsreader.

>> I tried OE but did not like it. Lets just say it is a
>> personal prefrance and I have no scientific reason. I'm
>> still trying to learn about computers and use the
>> newsgroups to gain knowledge that is either unavailable
>> or too difficult for a newbie to locate. Any takers?

>
>"prefrance" huh!
>
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>Yes, a typo. By the way, brilliant rebuttal.

DonE wrote:

>> Well I just checked back and so far I've received two

> replies to this time. However neither reply gave any
> specifics as to why OE makes a better news reader.
> Since OE is easier to search as one claimed,he should
> have no problem finding that "misinformed" comment. I
> did'nt. And why, pray tell, would using a web based
> newsreader make it more difficult to learn ?
> Come on people give me specifics , not implied reasons
> with no basis in fact. Give everyone reading this the
> facts they need to convince them that OE newsreader is
> superior. Hope to hear from anyone with reasons based in
> provable facts.

Don

You can flag threads as "watched"
open a newsgroup and show only replies to your messages
keep a copy of all the messages you post
download Headers Only
see where the message was posted from
keep a newsgroup message store for archiving
prevent the display of HTML messages
use Message Rules to highlight your messages and any replies to your
messages with a color
use Message Rules to delete messages from certain people
Block messages from anyone
Search for messages as far back as the message store goes
sort the messages any way you wish
save individual messages as a .nws file to your hard drive

There's more to this list, but this will give you an idea. There are other
newsgroup clients that give many more options than OE and some web based
newsreaders that are much better than the CDO interface that you are using.
CDO is still in it's infancy and there are things being done to improve it's
abilities.

--
Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.

Don,
I personally use and prefer Outlook Express for Newsgroups; however, if you
prefer Internet Explorer have at it for still 'tis a free country.
Cheers,
Gene K
"DonE" <fakeaddress@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I've seen it mentioned that anyone not using OE in
> newsgroups is "misinformed", and some claim that anyone
> not using OE has "something to hide".There have been some
> that said OE is superior in one way or another. Why do'nt
> we clear the air here and now? If you have an "opinion"
> you are entitled to that opinion. As we in the USA like
> to say " It's a free country ", and until someone proves
> me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
> without having to defend themselves from those who resort
> to name calling when they have nothing intelligent to say.
> I'm new to newsgroups and am using a web based newsreader.
> I tried OE but did not like it. Lets just say it is a
> personal prefrance and I have no scientific reason. I'm
> still trying to learn about computers and use the
> newsgroups to gain knowledge that is either unavailable
> or too difficult for a newbie to locate. Any takers?
>

On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:02:30 -0700, DonE wrote:

> I've seen it mentioned that anyone not using OE in
> newsgroups is "misinformed", and some claim that anyone
> not using OE has "something to hide".There have been some
> that said OE is superior in one way or another. Why do'nt
> we clear the air here and now? If you have an "opinion"
> you are entitled to that opinion. As we in the USA like
> to say " It's a free country ", and until someone proves
> me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
> without having to defend themselves from those who resort
> to name calling when they have nothing intelligent to say.
> I'm new to newsgroups and am using a web based newsreader.
> I tried OE but did not like it. Lets just say it is a
> personal prefrance and I have no scientific reason. I'm
> still trying to learn about computers and use the
> newsgroups to gain knowledge that is either unavailable
> or too difficult for a newbie to locate. Any takers?

Don, if you prefer the web interface - that's fine with me.

Personally, I prefer a newsreader - any newsreader - compared to the web
interface.

I have OE, 40tude Dialog and Agent installed. Currently Dialog is my
favorite. What I like about newsreaders is that I can *easily* manage the
newsgroups that I participate in. I can see a thread with a new response in
a glance and go right to that message. The format of a newsreader enhances
the conversational flow. I've tried many times but just do not find the
same workability and flow with the web interface.

You have tried a newsreader and didn't like it. Again, that's fine.

However, many new visitors to these groups are not aware that they have an
alternative to the web interface. Because of this, you will often see
recommendations here for users to give a newsreader a try. They can then
decide for themselves which format they prefer to use.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP - Windows XP Shell/User

>-----Original Message-----
>DonE wrote:

>>> Well I just checked back and so far I've received two

>> replies to this time. However neither reply gave any
>> specifics as to why OE makes a better news reader.
>> Since OE is easier to search as one claimed,he should
>> have no problem finding that "misinformed" comment. I
>> did'nt. And why, pray tell, would using a web based
>> newsreader make it more difficult to learn ?
>> Come on people give me specifics , not implied reasons
>> with no basis in fact. Give everyone reading this the
>> facts they need to convince them that OE newsreader is
>> superior. Hope to hear from anyone with reasons based

in

>> provable facts.

>
>Don
>
>You can flag threads as "watched"
>open a newsgroup and show only replies to your messages
>keep a copy of all the messages you post
>download Headers Only
>see where the message was posted from
>keep a newsgroup message store for archiving
>prevent the display of HTML messages
>use Message Rules to highlight your messages and any

replies to your

>messages with a color
>use Message Rules to delete messages from certain people
>Block messages from anyone
>Search for messages as far back as the message store goes
>sort the messages any way you wish
>save individual messages as a .nws file to your hard

drive

>
>There's more to this list, but this will give you an

idea. There are other

>newsgroup clients that give many more options than OE

and some web based

>newsreaders that are much better than the CDO interface

that you are using.

>CDO is still in it's infancy and there are things being

done to improve it's

>abilities.
>
>--
>Ronnie Vernon
>Microsoft MVP
>Windows Shell/User
>
>Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
>Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
>
>
>.
>Ronnie Vernon,thank you for the very inclusive reply.

I had no idea OE could be used to do so many things. As
with most other things pertaining to computers so much is
hidden from view. I am however greatly concerned that
knowledgable individuals,corporations or governments have
the ability to track a computer user with so little
effort. I suppose it is a double edged sword ,and like
I've heard,anything typed on a computer is forever.
Maybe with a lot of effort I'll even learn to use OE with
some degree of ease.A year ago I could'nt even switch a
computer on.Again,thank you for your reply.

>-----Original Message-----
>On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 15:02:30 -0700, DonE wrote:
>

>> I've seen it mentioned that anyone not using OE in
>> newsgroups is "misinformed", and some claim that

anyone

>> not using OE has "something to hide".There have been

some

>> that said OE is superior in one way or another. Why

do'nt

>> we clear the air here and now? If you have

an "opinion"

>> you are entitled to that opinion. As we in the USA

like

>> to say " It's a free country ", and until someone

proves

>> me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
>> without having to defend themselves from those who

resort

>> to name calling when they have nothing intelligent to

say.

>> I'm new to newsgroups and am using a web based

newsreader.

>> I tried OE but did not like it. Lets just say it is a
>> personal prefrance and I have no scientific reason.

I'm

>> still trying to learn about computers and use the
>> newsgroups to gain knowledge that is either

unavailable

>> or too difficult for a newbie to locate. Any takers?

>
>Don, if you prefer the web interface - that's fine with

me.

>
>Personally, I prefer a newsreader - any newsreader -

compared to the web

>interface.
>
>I have OE, 40tude Dialog and Agent installed. Currently

Dialog is my

>favorite. What I like about newsreaders is that I can

*easily* manage the

>newsgroups that I participate in. I can see a thread

with a new response in

>a glance and go right to that message. The format of a

newsreader enhances

>the conversational flow. I've tried many times but just

do not find the

>same workability and flow with the web interface.
>
>You have tried a newsreader and didn't like it. Again,

that's fine.

>
>However, many new visitors to these groups are not aware

that they have an

>alternative to the web interface. Because of this, you

will often see

>recommendations here for users to give a newsreader a

try. They can then

>decide for themselves which format they prefer to use.
>
>--
>Sharon F
>MS-MVP - Windows XP Shell/User
>.
>Sharon F. thank you for your reply.

I'm sure someone as comfortable with other types
newsgroups as you seem to be would prefer to use those
rather than a web based. I've never even heard of 40tude
or Agent,or of almost all the others. The learning curve
from where I sit seems quite steep. Perhaps that is why
at this time I prefer what I perceive as the ease of use
of a web based newsreader.
I feel fortunate that I know enough to have a good
firewall and virus protection, when those with vastly
more experience with computers have become infected with
viruses and Worms.Again,thank you for your reply.