Vista and online Gaming

You just have to play the right games. I hear Tiger Woods 2007, I have a
6800GT and overall it seems fine with most games, but Doom3 seems to
sometimes show a little corruption in some textures, but I'm not sure if
that's the drivers or not.


"Dave Pearson" <huddersfieldads1@btconnect.com> wrote in message
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> Well,
>
> I have used the 6600GT, 6600GS and 7600GS on vista stsems and had no
> problems whatso ever..
>
>
> "chas" <chas756@aintispannnn.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:%23ac2uehZHHA.1388@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> I'm having too many problems with the Online games I play to continue
>> with Vista. Most of my issues are caused by the Nvidia Drivers. I really
>> doubt that in any other aspect of retailing would a manufacturer get away
>> with such blatant false claims as was made with the 8800 graphics card.
>> It certainly was *not* Vista ready and still isn't. I wish I could get
>> the local trading standards organization interested.
>>
>> I understand from the comments here and other sources that its not just
>> the 8800 card that was not vista ready, other card Nvidia owners are
>> reporting similar issues.
>>
>> How can Microsoft certify a driver that plainly does not work with so
>> much 3rd party software?
>>
>> I've gone back to Windows XP and like many organizations, I'll wait for
>> Vista SP1 before I come back to it.

>
>

It's not the video card. It's the Vista TCP/IP stack. It's more robust, but
end up being bloated which causes serious lagging for FPS games. I've been
asking around in the online FPS community, and this is everyone's concensus.
We can either wait for SP1 or go back to XP. I'm seriously thinking of
installing XP. I go online and in chat mode, I'd say I'm running Vista, and
some people commiserate with me, others scoff. Vista is not ready for online
FPS gaming.

"Dale M. White" wrote:

> You just have to play the right games. I hear Tiger Woods 2007, I have a
> 6800GT and overall it seems fine with most games, but Doom3 seems to
> sometimes show a little corruption in some textures, but I'm not sure if
> that's the drivers or not.
>
>
> "Dave Pearson" <huddersfieldads1@btconnect.com> wrote in message
> news:Yu6dnf4Sw8FJTmrYnZ2dnUVZ8seinZ2d@bt.com...

> > Well,
> >
> > I have used the 6600GT, 6600GS and 7600GS on vista stsems and had no
> > problems whatso ever..
> >
> >
> > "chas" <chas756@aintispannnn.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:%23ac2uehZHHA.1388@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >> I'm having too many problems with the Online games I play to continue
> >> with Vista. Most of my issues are caused by the Nvidia Drivers. I really
> >> doubt that in any other aspect of retailing would a manufacturer get away
> >> with such blatant false claims as was made with the 8800 graphics card.
> >> It certainly was *not* Vista ready and still isn't. I wish I could get
> >> the local trading standards organization interested.
> >>
> >> I understand from the comments here and other sources that its not just
> >> the 8800 card that was not vista ready, other card Nvidia owners are
> >> reporting similar issues.
> >>
> >> How can Microsoft certify a driver that plainly does not work with so
> >> much 3rd party software?
> >>
> >> I've gone back to Windows XP and like many organizations, I'll wait for
> >> Vista SP1 before I come back to it.

> >
> >

>
>

We're talking two different issues here. I was responding to Dave's no
problem post and pointing out he just needed to play the right games and he
could have some of the problems others have posted

Has for on-line gaming, my 2 on-line games have been pretty limited to BF2
and BF2142. I don't have or haven't noticed any kind of network issues
myself and I've played in 2-3 hour stints at a time. I have heard other
games like Age of empires 1 and 2 are lagging out.

I can only base things of my own experience, but my first thought is if some
of these people are claming to have network lag, they might be having video
or some other system lag and believing it's networking issues. I dunno.
Again, BF2 and 2142 play the same for me. I played about an hour of CS 1.6
and CS:S and didn't have any issues there. maybe I need to play more of them
to see

What FPS games are other complaining about ?

"DCunning30" <DCunning30@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9A20B55A-07D0-4E6A-9A37-7CC9F0BE37F0@microsoft.com...

> It's not the video card. It's the Vista TCP/IP stack. It's more robust,
> but
> end up being bloated which causes serious lagging for FPS games. I've
> been
> asking around in the online FPS community, and this is everyone's
> concensus.
> We can either wait for SP1 or go back to XP. I'm seriously thinking of
> installing XP. I go online and in chat mode, I'd say I'm running Vista,
> and
> some people commiserate with me, others scoff. Vista is not ready for
> online
> FPS gaming.
>
> "Dale M. White" wrote:
>

>> You just have to play the right games. I hear Tiger Woods 2007, I have a
>> 6800GT and overall it seems fine with most games, but Doom3 seems to
>> sometimes show a little corruption in some textures, but I'm not sure if
>> that's the drivers or not.
>>
>>
>> "Dave Pearson" <huddersfieldads1@btconnect.com> wrote in message
>> news:Yu6dnf4Sw8FJTmrYnZ2dnUVZ8seinZ2d@bt.com...

>> > Well,
>> >
>> > I have used the 6600GT, 6600GS and 7600GS on vista stsems and had no
>> > problems whatso ever..
>> >
>> >
>> > "chas" <chas756@aintispannnn.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > news:%23ac2uehZHHA.1388@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> I'm having too many problems with the Online games I play to continue
>> >> with Vista. Most of my issues are caused by the Nvidia Drivers. I
>> >> really
>> >> doubt that in any other aspect of retailing would a manufacturer get
>> >> away
>> >> with such blatant false claims as was made with the 8800 graphics
>> >> card.
>> >> It certainly was *not* Vista ready and still isn't. I wish I could get
>> >> the local trading standards organization interested.
>> >>
>> >> I understand from the comments here and other sources that its not
>> >> just
>> >> the 8800 card that was not vista ready, other card Nvidia owners are
>> >> reporting similar issues.
>> >>
>> >> How can Microsoft certify a driver that plainly does not work with so
>> >> much 3rd party software?
>> >>
>> >> I've gone back to Windows XP and like many organizations, I'll wait
>> >> for
>> >> Vista SP1 before I come back to it.
>> >
>> >

>>
>>

In article <9A20B55A-07D0-4E6A-9A37-7CC9F0BE37F0@microsoft.com>,
DCunning30 says...

> It's not the video card. It's the Vista TCP/IP stack. It's more robust, but
> end up being bloated which causes serious lagging for FPS games.

WTF are you on about? I'm in the 20ms range on Counterstrike and the
sub 30ms on BF2/2142.

--
Conor

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

I'm talking about this, einstein!

http://www.killernic.com/KillerNic/P...inal%20(3).pdf

And this isn't the only discussion on the net regarding Vista networking
stack and online gaming.

.....Sheesh!

"Conor" wrote:

> In article <9A20B55A-07D0-4E6A-9A37-7CC9F0BE37F0@microsoft.com>,
> DCunning30 says...

> > It's not the video card. It's the Vista TCP/IP stack. It's more robust, but
> > end up being bloated which causes serious lagging for FPS games.

>
> WTF are you on about? I'm in the 20ms range on Counterstrike and the
> sub 30ms on BF2/2142.
>
> --
> Conor
>
> Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
> until you hear them speak.........
>

chas <chas756@aintispannnn.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:#ac2uehZHHA.1388
@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:

> How can Microsoft certify a driver that plainly does not work with so
> much 3rd party software?

Certification doesn't mean that the driver will do what it's supposed to
do. It merely means Microsoft doesn't think the driver will crash your
system.

Well, I understand your frustration, though to put things in perspective,
Vista as only be out for general consumption for 2 months, So being an early
adopter, you got some of the early bugs. You probably don't have to wait for
SP1, but probably about 4-6 months.

There was a lad who started a lawsuit against nVidia because the 8800 series
was labeled Vista ready and technically it wasn't due to poor drivers at the
moment. The other cards, might be labeled vista capable, but are not
consider Vista ready cards.

To be a little fair to Microsoft, nVidia can have a WHQL certified driver,
but that doesn't mean it works 100% perfect. Plus it's important to note
that Microsoft role in the drivers is that they provide minimal
functionality and in Vista's case, must work with Aero. Now there is a
separate DX10 certification criteria from my understanding that is outside
of the generic windows certification.

Either way, As it's been said many times, if you were happy with XP, there
you should have stayed with XP or dual booted to vista. Once the DX10 games
hit the shelf, that's when upgrading to vista would have made more sense. I
bet you want be one of the first people to install Vienna, if it actually
comes out in 2009


"chas" <chas756@aintispannnn.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm having too many problems with the Online games I play to continue with
> Vista. Most of my issues are caused by the Nvidia Drivers. I really doubt
> that in any other aspect of retailing would a manufacturer get away with
> such blatant false claims as was made with the 8800 graphics card. It
> certainly was *not* Vista ready and still isn't. I wish I could get the
> local trading standards organization interested.
>
> I understand from the comments here and other sources that its not just
> the 8800 card that was not vista ready, other card Nvidia owners are
> reporting similar issues.
>
> How can Microsoft certify a driver that plainly does not work with so much
> 3rd party software?
>
> I've gone back to Windows XP and like many organizations, I'll wait for
> Vista SP1 before I come back to it.

do you really think that microsoft is going to test every video card against every game on the market for the past 20-30 years.
at some point it is the responsibility of the game makers to make an effort to upgrade their products. vista has been 5 years in development.

microsoft simply blesses the drivers as not likely to crash the system.

have you tried compatibility modes.


mikeyhsd@sport.rr.commikeyhsd@sport.rr.com

"chas" <chas756@aintispannnn.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23ac2uehZHHA.1388@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I'm having too many problems with the Online games I play to continue
with Vista. Most of my issues are caused by the Nvidia Drivers. I really
doubt that in any other aspect of retailing would a manufacturer get
away with such blatant false claims as was made with the 8800 graphics
card. It certainly was *not* Vista ready and still isn't. I wish I could
get the local trading standards organization interested.

I understand from the comments here and other sources that its not just
the 8800 card that was not vista ready, other card Nvidia owners are
reporting similar issues.

How can Microsoft certify a driver that plainly does not work with so
much 3rd party software?

I've gone back to Windows XP and like many organizations, I'll wait for
Vista SP1 before I come back to it.