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"Phillip" <Phillip@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:5CB5DFD1-A420-46FF-8B1E-C1A8ADA3FC13@microsoft.com...
Hey can anyone just help me with some stuff

Is Vista beter for games than Xp? graphics and performance?
If what version of Vista? i think of Home premium

I have a AMD 64 x2 Dual core 3800+ , 1 gb ram, NGeForce 7600GT + TV card
XP - Home

and will my older games work on vista like GTA Sanandreas, and NFS Carbon
and Medal of honor and the new Crysis? What games will work?

Phillip
(phillip90@mweb.co.za)

No doubt, Vista is slower and is expected to always be slower then XP. They
moved the vide driver back outside of the kernel (generically speaking),
which is the way things where back in the NT4 days. This gives better system
stability (no rogue drivers causing crashes) at the cost of performance. I
believe Microsoft's numbers are that Vista will run 5-10% slower than XP. In
alot of cases, you'll never notice that 10% slower part. After all, if you
were getting 100fps and now get 85, it's still smooth and pretty.

Though it doesn't mean a whole lot, my 3dmark06 score under vista is 5989
versus XP's 6063

Lots of games work, I just installed and played Battlefield 1942 (which is a
DX 8.1 game) and played a bit with it. Other games works, but have issues, I
still can't get FEAR to give me constant performance in the benchmarks and
it has the jerky feel I had when I played it on my old X800XT card. But
Doom3, HL2, Battlefield 2 and 2142 all play fine. I played about 4 hours
last night on BF2142 on max settings and I couldn't tell any difference than
when playing under XP (after all, 100 fps is slower than 150 fps, but still
plenty fast)

Like Byron said, things will start to smooth out over the next 2-4 months.
once ATI and nVidia get their drivers better tuned. Other than just playing
around and testing, I personally wouldn't recommend moving purely to Windows
Vista until summer. You're really not going to miss anything other than a
bunch of headscratching and frustration. If you haev the option to
Dual-boot, then that would be my suggestion.



"Phillip" <Phillip@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5CB5DFD1-A420-46FF-8B1E-C1A8ADA3FC13@microsoft.com...

> Hey can anyone just help me with some stuff
>
> Is Vista beter for games than Xp? graphics and performance?
> If what version of Vista? i think of Home premium
>
> I have a AMD 64 x2 Dual core 3800+ , 1 gb ram, NGeForce 7600GT + TV card
> XP - Home
>
> and will my older games work on vista like GTA Sanandreas, and NFS Carbon
> and Medal of honor and the new Crysis? What games will work?
>
> Phillip
> (phillip90@mweb.co.za)
>
>
>

"Phillip" <Phillip@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:5CB5DFD1-A420-46FF-8B1E-C1A8ADA3FC13@microsoft.com...

> Hey can anyone just help me with some stuff
>
> Is Vista beter for games than Xp? graphics and performance?
> If what version of Vista? i think of Home premium
>
> I have a AMD 64 x2 Dual core 3800+ , 1 gb ram, NGeForce 7600GT + TV card
> XP - Home
>
> and will my older games work on vista like GTA Sanandreas, and NFS Carbon
> and Medal of honor and the new Crysis? What games will work?
>
> Phillip
> (phillip90@mweb.co.za)
>
>
>

Vista hogs more resources and is not as good for games

Stick with XP unless you really have a great need to go Vista

I'm actually getting much better performace with Vista than I got with XP. My
framerates have improved and animations are much faster. Areas in games that
slowed XP down are running smooth as glass with Vista and that's with the
video options turned all the way up (FEAR, Flight Simulator X, Rainbow Six
Vegas etc.). This is why I'm puzzled over those who say they aren't getting
good framerates with Vista. I would not go back to XP.

"Phillip" wrote:

> Hey can anyone just help me with some stuff
>
> Is Vista beter for games than Xp? graphics and performance?
> If what version of Vista? i think of Home premium
>
> I have a AMD 64 x2 Dual core 3800+ , 1 gb ram, NGeForce 7600GT + TV card
> XP - Home
>
> and will my older games work on vista like GTA Sanandreas, and NFS Carbon
> and Medal of honor and the new Crysis? What games will work?
>
> Phillip
> (phillip90@mweb.co.za)
>
>
>

Well, I might be on crack, but I think you must of had a problem with your
XP install. If Microsoft says they expect video game performance to be 5-10%
slower under vista and XP and you're reporting better performance, then that
means XP was never performing up to par. Plus there are several dedicated
gaming sites and all them are reporting poorer performance under Vista than
XP.

I've done 4 format and re-installs this past week and a half, to play with 3
different versions of vista an the results were the same across all the
re-installs. Vista is slower, two of those format re-installs were because I
tweaked and tweaked and tweaked until I broke Vista (basically, I couldn't
get back to previous higher performance numbers)

Not to insult your technical expertise, but maybe you didn't have the right
chipset drivers loaded or something under XP. I just can believe things run
better under Vista than XP, Unless maybe you're XP install was like 2-3
years old and you never updated you drivers, but once a year.. but hey, if
it works better for you, that's a good thing.


"socrfan" <socrfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:44CA350E-941F-478B-A2E4-30087015174C@microsoft.com...

> I'm actually getting much better performace with Vista than I got with XP.
> My
> framerates have improved and animations are much faster. Areas in games
> that
> slowed XP down are running smooth as glass with Vista and that's with the
> video options turned all the way up (FEAR, Flight Simulator X, Rainbow Six
> Vegas etc.). This is why I'm puzzled over those who say they aren't
> getting
> good framerates with Vista. I would not go back to XP.
>
> "Phillip" wrote:
>

>> Hey can anyone just help me with some stuff
>>
>> Is Vista beter for games than Xp? graphics and performance?
>> If what version of Vista? i think of Home premium
>>
>> I have a AMD 64 x2 Dual core 3800+ , 1 gb ram, NGeForce 7600GT + TV card
>> XP - Home
>>
>> and will my older games work on vista like GTA Sanandreas, and NFS Carbon
>> and Medal of honor and the new Crysis? What games will work?
>>
>> Phillip
>> (phillip90@mweb.co.za)
>>
>>
>>

Actually it puzzled me too but I always ran the latest drivers and the latest
XP updates. FEAR is a good example. Some scenes would slow the frame rates
down noticeably but with Vista those same scenes have no slow down. I even
went so far as to check with a tech at the computers website and he confirmed
those same slow downs occurred when he ran FEAR. But like you say, it's a
good thing. I'm just glad it's working as good as it is. Hopefully Microsoft
will start showing us this new op's real potential soon.


"Dale M. White" wrote:

> Well, I might be on crack, but I think you must of had a problem with your
> XP install. If Microsoft says they expect video game performance to be 5-10%
> slower under vista and XP and you're reporting better performance, then that
> means XP was never performing up to par. Plus there are several dedicated
> gaming sites and all them are reporting poorer performance under Vista than
> XP.
>
> I've done 4 format and re-installs this past week and a half, to play with 3
> different versions of vista an the results were the same across all the
> re-installs. Vista is slower, two of those format re-installs were because I
> tweaked and tweaked and tweaked until I broke Vista (basically, I couldn't
> get back to previous higher performance numbers)
>
> Not to insult your technical expertise, but maybe you didn't have the right
> chip set drivers loaded or something under XP. I just can believe things run
> better under Vista than XP, Unless maybe you're XP install was like 2-3
> years old and you never updated you drivers, but once a year.. but hey, if
> it works better for you, that's a good thing.
>
>
> "socrfan" <socrfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:44CA350E-941F-478B-A2E4-30087015174C@microsoft.com...

> > I'm actually getting much better performace with Vista than I got with XP.
> > My
> > framerates have improved and animations are much faster. Areas in games
> > that
> > slowed XP down are running smooth as glass with Vista and that's with the
> > video options turned all the way up (FEAR, Flight Simulator X, Rainbow Six
> > Vegas etc.). This is why I'm puzzled over those who say they aren't
> > getting
> > good framerates with Vista. I would not go back to XP.
> >
> > "Phillip" wrote:
> >

> >> Hey can anyone just help me with some stuff
> >>
> >> Is Vista beter for games than Xp? graphics and performance?
> >> If what version of Vista? i think of Home premium
> >>
> >> I have a AMD 64 x2 Dual core 3800+ , 1 gb ram, NGeForce 7600GT + TV card
> >> XP - Home
> >>
> >> and will my older games work on vista like GTA Sanandreas, and NFS Carbon
> >> and Medal of honor and the new Crysis? What games will work?
> >>
> >> Phillip
> >> (phillip90@mweb.co.za)
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>

I have to agree with Dale on this. I had both XP and W2003 Server installed
on the same machine for evaluation purposes and ended up playing Half Life
and such on the 2003 because XP got slower and slower and slower...

One problem was definitely Nvidias drivers, that tended to add some
functionality with each release but at the same time broke something else. I
rolled back the XP install and regained some speed.


"socrfan" <socrfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:875898C1-2111-45EF-A173-419508323762@microsoft.com...

> Actually it puzzled me too but I always ran the latest drivers and the
> latest
> XP updates. FEAR is a good example. Some scenes would slow the frame rates
> down noticeably but with Vista those same scenes have no slow down. I even
> went so far as to check with a tech at the computers website and he
> confirmed
> those same slow downs occurred when he ran FEAR. But like you say, it's a
> good thing. I'm just glad it's working as good as it is. Hopefully
> Microsoft
> will start showing us this new op's real potential soon.
>
>
> "Dale M. White" wrote:
>

>> Well, I might be on crack, but I think you must of had a problem with
>> your
>> XP install. If Microsoft says they expect video game performance to be
>> 5-10%
>> slower under vista and XP and you're reporting better performance, then
>> that
>> means XP was never performing up to par. Plus there are several dedicated
>> gaming sites and all them are reporting poorer performance under Vista
>> than
>> XP.
>>
>> I've done 4 format and re-installs this past week and a half, to play
>> with 3
>> different versions of vista an the results were the same across all the
>> re-installs. Vista is slower, two of those format re-installs were
>> because I
>> tweaked and tweaked and tweaked until I broke Vista (basically, I
>> couldn't
>> get back to previous higher performance numbers)
>>
>> Not to insult your technical expertise, but maybe you didn't have the
>> right
>> chip set drivers loaded or something under XP. I just can believe things
>> run
>> better under Vista than XP, Unless maybe you're XP install was like 2-3
>> years old and you never updated you drivers, but once a year.. but hey,
>> if
>> it works better for you, that's a good thing.
>>
>>
>> "socrfan" <socrfan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:44CA350E-941F-478B-A2E4-30087015174C@microsoft.com...

>> > I'm actually getting much better performace with Vista than I got with
>> > XP.
>> > My
>> > framerates have improved and animations are much faster. Areas in games
>> > that
>> > slowed XP down are running smooth as glass with Vista and that's with
>> > the
>> > video options turned all the way up (FEAR, Flight Simulator X, Rainbow
>> > Six
>> > Vegas etc.). This is why I'm puzzled over those who say they aren't
>> > getting
>> > good framerates with Vista. I would not go back to XP.
>> >
>> > "Phillip" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hey can anyone just help me with some stuff
>> >>
>> >> Is Vista beter for games than Xp? graphics and performance?
>> >> If what version of Vista? i think of Home premium
>> >>
>> >> I have a AMD 64 x2 Dual core 3800+ , 1 gb ram, NGeForce 7600GT + TV
>> >> card
>> >> XP - Home
>> >>
>> >> and will my older games work on vista like GTA Sanandreas, and NFS
>> >> Carbon
>> >> and Medal of honor and the new Crysis? What games will work?
>> >>
>> >> Phillip
>> >> (phillip90@mweb.co.za)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

>>
>>
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