Vista Business And XP Pro file and directory sharing issues

Thank you for you taking the time to respond.
The users files on the xp pro peer to peer are stored in
....\user\username\... not username\My Documents\...

The ...user\username\... created and shared with "use simple file sharing"
and works fine for the XP clients. The actual "Network Sharing and Security"
settings are "share this folder on the network" and "Allow network users to
change my files"

There should be no need for user names or profiles to be created on the xp
peer to peer with "simple file sharing".

Thanky Don

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Thanks for your time.


"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:44:01 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>

> >Environment
> >Windows XP Pro Peer to Peer server with easy file sharing
> >Multiple (3) XP Pro Clients
> >Multiple Vista (2) Business Clients
> >
> >There are no problems with win XP pro clients and the Win XP Pro peer to
> >peer server.
> >
> >The windows vista business clients can save a file from word 2007, excel
> >2007, vista's notepad, or vista's wordpad to their respective XP Pro server
> >user diretory.
> >
> >The following error occurs - In vista's windows explorer if you try to
> >create a file, rename an existing file, or rename an existing directory.
> >"\\WinXPProPeertoPeerServer\user\My Doucments\folder does not exist. The
> >file may have been moved or deleted." " Do you want to creat it?"
> >
> >Don Raymond

>
> Don,
>
> The "... \user\My Doucments\ ..." folder tree is user personal. Are you
> authenticating to the server as Guest, or with a specific non-Guest account?
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Guest>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-xp.html#Guest
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:12:00 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:
>

>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:44:01 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>

>> >Environment
>> >Windows XP Pro Peer to Peer server with easy file sharing
>> >Multiple (3) XP Pro Clients
>> >Multiple Vista (2) Business Clients
>> >
>> >There are no problems with win XP pro clients and the Win XP Pro peer to
>> >peer server.
>> >
>> >The windows vista business clients can save a file from word 2007, excel
>> >2007, vista's notepad, or vista's wordpad to their respective XP Pro server
>> >user diretory.
>> >
>> >The following error occurs - In vista's windows explorer if you try to
>> >create a file, rename an existing file, or rename an existing directory.
>> >"\\WinXPProPeertoPeerServer\user\My Doucments\folder does not exist. The
>> >file may have been moved or deleted." " Do you want to creat it?"
>> >
>> >Don Raymond

>>
>> Don,
>>
>> The "... \user\My Doucments\ ..." folder tree is user personal. Are you
>> authenticating to the server as Guest, or with a specific non-Guest account?
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Guest>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-xp.html#Guest

>Thank you for you taking the time to respond.
>The users files on the xp pro peer to peer are stored in
>...\user\username\... not username\My Documents\...
>
>The ...user\username\... created and shared with "use simple file sharing"
>and works fine for the XP clients. The actual "Network Sharing and Security"
>settings are "share this folder on the network" and "Allow network users to
>change my files"
>
>There should be no need for user names or profiles to be created on the xp
>peer to peer with "simple file sharing".
>
>Thanky Don

So the folder in question is "\user\username\", not "username\My Documents\".
So why does Vista report "\user\My Doucments\"?

Anyway, you can permission the Security on a folder, to allow anyone to read and
change any files in any folders. With Guest being used for Sharing (network
access), any files in the "\user\" folder structure aren't going to be
accessible, without major tweaking.

Only the owner of the folder will have share access. Since Guest is the only
account used for sharing, under SFS, the owner won't have access.

Read about Security vs Sharing permissions.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/09/server-access-authorisation.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...orisation.html

And about the limitations of Guest only access.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Guest>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-xp.html#Guest

BTW, top posting, combined with using a delimited signature (starting with a
line "-- ") is counter productive.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/how-to-post-on-usenet-and-encourage.html#TopPosting>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...tml#TopPosting

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Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:12:00 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Thank you for you taking the time to respond.
>The users files on the xp pro peer to peer are stored in
>...\user\username\... not username\My Documents\...
>
>The ...user\username\... created and shared with "use simple file sharing"
>and works fine for the XP clients. The actual "Network Sharing and Security"
>settings are "share this folder on the network" and "Allow network users to
>change my files"
>
>There should be no need for user names or profiles to be created on the xp
>peer to peer with "simple file sharing".
>
>Thanky Don

The files are reported as "\user\username\" by a Vista client, when they
actually are in "\documents and settings\username\" on the XP server. Or did
you setup "C:\Users\..." on the server?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/07/windows-vista-and-personal-storage.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-storage.html

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Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

I have read "Most" of your blog of Pchuck's Network and it is quite impressive.
May I please ask the question again?

Environment
p2p server with Winxppro SFS shared directory c:\users\don\my Documents\Word
or Excel or any other sub directory.

The xp clients have no problems.

The vista business clients can creat a file in word, excel, notepad, or
wordpad and call that file up and change the data and save it again.

The Vista clients only can not using vista windows explorer rename a file or
move a file. The Vista clients can not rename a directory, or move a
directory.

The following error occurs - In vista's windows explorer if you try to
create a file, rename an existing file, or rename an existing directory.
"\\WinXPProPeertoPeerServer\user\My Doucments\folder does not exist. The
file may have been moved or deleted." " Do you want to create it?"

Why are the XP clients able to rename and move files and directories when
the vista clients can't?

Thank you

Don

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Thanks for your time.


"Chuck [MVP]" wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 01:12:00 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>

> >Thank you for you taking the time to respond.
> >The users files on the xp pro peer to peer are stored in
> >...\user\username\... not username\My Documents\...
> >
> >The ...user\username\... created and shared with "use simple file sharing"
> >and works fine for the XP clients. The actual "Network Sharing and Security"
> >settings are "share this folder on the network" and "Allow network users to
> >change my files"
> >
> >There should be no need for user names or profiles to be created on the xp
> >peer to peer with "simple file sharing".
> >
> >Thanky Don

>
> The files are reported as "\user\username\" by a Vista client, when they
> actually are in "\documents and settings\username\" on the XP server. Or did
> you setup "C:\Users\..." on the server?
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/07/windows-vista-and-personal-storage.html>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-storage.html
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.
>

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:26:05 -0700, DonR <DonR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I have read "Most" of your blog of Pchuck's Network and it is quite impressive.
>May I please ask the question again?
>
>Environment
>p2p server with Winxppro SFS shared directory c:\users\don\my Documents\Word
>or Excel or any other sub directory.
>
>The xp clients have no problems.
>
>The vista business clients can creat a file in word, excel, notepad, or
>wordpad and call that file up and change the data and save it again.
>
>The Vista clients only can not using vista windows explorer rename a file or
>move a file. The Vista clients can not rename a directory, or move a
>directory.
>
>The following error occurs - In vista's windows explorer if you try to
>create a file, rename an existing file, or rename an existing directory.
>"\\WinXPProPeertoPeerServer\user\My Doucments\folder does not exist. The
>file may have been moved or deleted." " Do you want to create it?"
>
>Why are the XP clients able to rename and move files and directories when
>the vista clients can't?
>
>Thank you
>
>Don

Don,

I think I see the problem. Follow me here.

Under Windows XP, personal storage is "C:\Documents and Settings\Username\", but
under Windows Vista it's "c:\Users\Username".

Typically, you don't access personal storage across the LAN anyway.
1) The server has to be running Advanced File Sharing (PPS Enabled).
2) The client has to be logged in with a non-Guest account that has
administrative access on the server.

Read my article carefully please, it's new. ;-)
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/07/windows-vista-and-personal-storage.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/0...l-storage.html

The key word is "junction point".

Under Vista, "C:\Documents and Settings" is a junction point for "C:\Users".
Any software thinks it's looking at "C:\Documents and
Settings\Whoever\Whatever\" is REALLY being given "C:\Users\Whoever\Whatever".

If a computer running Windows Vista is asked for a file in "C:\Documents and
Settings", it's going to look in "C:\Users". It goes to a computer running
Windows XP, and asks for "C:\Users\whatever", and that computer says
"\\WinXPProPeertoPeerServer\user\My Doucments\folder does not exist.", which is
correct.

The computers running Windows XP, on the other hand, know to only ask for
"C:\Documents and Settings\Whoever\Whatever".

Do you follow me?

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Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.