Vista Clean Install or over XP?

No. You will run the upgrader that Dell has designed. Let us know how it
works.

"Jim" <jimnorma@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 which I purchased about a month ago. I am
> supposed to get Vista next week. Will I be able to clean install Vista?
> The Dell message board seemed to say yes, but there was a lot of
> equivocating.
> Thanks, Jim
>

XP=many, many BSODs (0 for about a year now)
Vista RC2= 0 BSODs (so far anyway)


"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
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| You'll be able to upgrade to Vista, not clean install.
|
| --
| Carey Frisch
| Microsoft MVP
| Windows Shell/User
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| "Jim" wrote:
|
| Hi,
| I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 which I purchased about a month ago. I am
| supposed to get Vista next week. Will I be able to clean install Vista?
| The Dell message board seemed to say yes, but there was a lot of
| equivocating.
| Thanks, Jim
|
|

It will be an upgrade, and it requires the OS activated with authentic key
to do the upgrade. So, sorry, no clean install with that version. Although I
don't have any experience with the OEM Vista Upgrades (yet), it should be
the same as the other upgrades. It does make sense, though, as most OEM
users have a lot of files on there and they don't have the know how to move
things over to the new OS after a clean install. Upgrade is easier.

--
Dustin Harper
dharper@vistarip.com
http://www.vistarip.com



"Jim" <jimnorma@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 which I purchased about a month ago. I am
> supposed to get Vista next week. Will I be able to clean install Vista?
> The Dell message board seemed to say yes, but there was a lot of
> equivocating.
> Thanks, Jim
>

Hi Jim,


Yes, you should be able to do a clean install of Vista. You
can just insert the Vista install cd and it should ask you if you want to
upgrade install or custom install, just hit custom install and the install
will reformat your Hard Drive and install a clean copy of Vista. If for some
reason that doesn't work, then with the cd in drive reboot your computer and
boot from the CDand do the same.

Good Luck, Tyler G

Custom does not reformat the hard drive unless the drive is unformatted or
formatted with a file system other than NTFS. The OP's system already has
an OS on it. You cannot install an ugrade edition of Vista x86 by
reformatting and then running the upgrade. It must run from the desktop of
the legacy OS.

The OP is using an ugrade disc he is being sent from Dell as part of the
Express Upgrade program. It is not likely to be a standard uprade edition
dvd. Whatever it is he must run it from his desktop. It is unlikely to
permit him to do a custom installation.

"tjg50311" <tjg50311@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Jim,
>
>
> Yes, you should be able to do a clean install of Vista. You
> can just insert the Vista install cd and it should ask you if you want to
> upgrade install or custom install, just hit custom install and the install
> will reformat your Hard Drive and install a clean copy of Vista. If for
> some
> reason that doesn't work, then with the cd in drive reboot your computer
> and
> boot from the CDand do the same.
>
> Good Luck, Tyler G

Colin Barnhorst schrieb:

> Custom does not reformat the hard drive unless the drive is unformatted
> or formatted with a file system other than NTFS. The OP's system
> already has an OS on it. You cannot install an ugrade edition of Vista
> x86 by reformatting and then running the upgrade. It must run from the
> desktop of the legacy OS.
>
> The OP is using an ugrade disc he is being sent from Dell as part of the
> Express Upgrade program. It is not likely to be a standard uprade
> edition dvd. Whatever it is he must run it from his desktop. It is
> unlikely to permit him to do a custom installation.
>
> "tjg50311" <tjg50311@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:AC8C7406-6C49-4A8C-8B5C-D39E82E420E7@microsoft.com...

>> Hi Jim,
>>
>>
>> Yes, you should be able to do a clean install of Vista. You
>> can just insert the Vista install cd and it should ask you if you want to
>> upgrade install or custom install, just hit custom install and the
>> install
>> will reformat your Hard Drive and install a clean copy of Vista. If
>> for some
>> reason that doesn't work, then with the cd in drive reboot your
>> computer and
>> boot from the CDand do the same.
>>
>> Good Luck, Tyler G

>

I just had a phonecall with Microsoft. The support-man told me that the
Vista-Upgrade DVD will be bootable and that you are able to do a clean
install. For update-proving you will have to insert your XP-Cd.

The OP's Express Upgrade dvd will not be a retail upgrade edition dvd. It
will be an OEM upgrade edition dvd and will only work on the OP's machine
and then if the preinstalled OS is still in place.

When MS talks about a clean install they do not mean the same thing many
users do. It does not mean a format followed by installation of the OS.
It simply means that files, settings, and apps are not retained. Nothing
more.

We have known for months that Vista upgrade editions do NOT check shiny
media as part of the verification process. There is no such thing as using
an XP cd for verification. It does not happen.


"Thorsten" <thorsten-bln@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> Colin Barnhorst schrieb:

>> Custom does not reformat the hard drive unless the drive is unformatted
>> or formatted with a file system other than NTFS. The OP's system
>> already has an OS on it. You cannot install an ugrade edition of Vista
>> x86 by reformatting and then running the upgrade. It must run from the
>> desktop of the legacy OS.
>>
>> The OP is using an ugrade disc he is being sent from Dell as part of the
>> Express Upgrade program. It is not likely to be a standard uprade
>> edition dvd. Whatever it is he must run it from his desktop. It is
>> unlikely to permit him to do a custom installation.
>>
>> "tjg50311" <tjg50311@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:AC8C7406-6C49-4A8C-8B5C-D39E82E420E7@microsoft.com...

>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you should be able to do a clean install of Vista. You
>>> can just insert the Vista install cd and it should ask you if you want
>>> to
>>> upgrade install or custom install, just hit custom install and the
>>> install
>>> will reformat your Hard Drive and install a clean copy of Vista. If for
>>> some
>>> reason that doesn't work, then with the cd in drive reboot your computer
>>> and
>>> boot from the CDand do the same.
>>>
>>> Good Luck, Tyler G

>>

>
> I just had a phonecall with Microsoft. The support-man told me that the
> Vista-Upgrade DVD will be bootable and that you are able to do a clean
> install. For update-proving you will have to insert your XP-Cd.

Colin Barnhorst schrieb:

> The OP's Express Upgrade dvd will not be a retail upgrade edition dvd.
> It will be an OEM upgrade edition dvd and will only work on the OP's
> machine and then if the preinstalled OS is still in place.
>
> When MS talks about a clean install they do not mean the same thing many
> users do. It does not mean a format followed by installation of the OS.
> It simply means that files, settings, and apps are not retained.
> Nothing more.
>
> We have known for months that Vista upgrade editions do NOT check shiny
> media as part of the verification process. There is no such thing as
> using an XP cd for verification. It does not happen.
>
>
> "Thorsten" <thorsten-bln@gmx.net> wrote in message
> news:ebvkVFxPHHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Colin Barnhorst schrieb:

>>> Custom does not reformat the hard drive unless the drive is
>>> unformatted or formatted with a file system other than NTFS. The
>>> OP's system already has an OS on it. You cannot install an ugrade
>>> edition of Vista x86 by reformatting and then running the upgrade.
>>> It must run from the desktop of the legacy OS.
>>>
>>> The OP is using an ugrade disc he is being sent from Dell as part of
>>> the Express Upgrade program. It is not likely to be a standard
>>> uprade edition dvd. Whatever it is he must run it from his desktop.
>>> It is unlikely to permit him to do a custom installation.
>>>
>>> "tjg50311" <tjg50311@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:AC8C7406-6C49-4A8C-8B5C-D39E82E420E7@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you should be able to do a clean install of Vista.
>>>> You
>>>> can just insert the Vista install cd and it should ask you if you
>>>> want to
>>>> upgrade install or custom install, just hit custom install and the
>>>> install
>>>> will reformat your Hard Drive and install a clean copy of Vista. If
>>>> for some
>>>> reason that doesn't work, then with the cd in drive reboot your
>>>> computer and
>>>> boot from the CDand do the same.
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck, Tyler G
>>>

>>
>> I just had a phonecall with Microsoft. The support-man told me that
>> the Vista-Upgrade DVD will be bootable and that you are able to do a
>> clean install. For update-proving you will have to insert your XP-Cd.

>

So, does this mean the following : The Vista-DVD from the
ExpressUpgrade offer, is not bootable and needs a genuine windows xp or
2000 installed.


BUT !!!

The retailbox update-dvd is bootable and allows a clean installation on
a empty system.. with checking,if you have a window-xp cd during setup ?