"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> [reposted]
> MICHAEL wrote:
>

>> Those dinosaurs at the music and movie industry
>> need Microsoft and computers a hell of lot more than Microsoft
>> needs them. Microsoft got on it's knees like some used #####
>> and now they expect everyone else to just bend over.

>
> While the content providers could not do this without the co-operation of
> the OS providers, this isn't just a Microsoft problem (Apple do DRM too and
> always have done, Linux advocates are seeing their desktops potentially
> either containing proprietary DRM code or unable to play content).
>
> Your over-simplistic comments do the subject as much of a dis-service as the
> comments you were replying to.

Your lame comment is just another; "well, everyone else does it".

I reckon, that makes it all good.


-Michael

EU XP user wrote:

> Some well respected sources like IDG are seriously questioning Vista's
> HD and premium
> content copy protection, claiming is disempowers legitimate users from
> watching
> their legally obtained HD content:
>
> http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index....67;fp;2;fpid;2
> Quote:
> "PC users around the globe may find driver software is stopped from
> working by Vista if it detects unauthorized content access. Peter
> Guttman, a security engineering researcher at New Zealand's university
> of Auckland, has written A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content
> Protection. He reckons Vista is trying to achieve the impossible by
> protecting access to premium content. Users will find their PCs'
> compromised by the persistent and continuous content access checks
> carried out by Vista."
>
> Full text:
>
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
> " A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection"
>
> Quote:
> "Executive Summary
>
> Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in
> order to
> provide content protection for so-called "premium content", typically HD
> data
> from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs
> considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability,
> technical
> support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues affect not
> only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the
> protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will
> ever
> come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista
> (for
> example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This
> document
> analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the
> collateral
> damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry.
>
> Please read the full text at
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut00...vista_cost.txt
> before posting a reply - thanks.
>
>

Of course it is. OTOH, other media centre systems are not.

http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/mythdo...all/howto.html

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MICHAEL wrote:

>
> Your lame comment is just another; "well, everyone else does it".
>
> I reckon, that makes it all good.

I reckon you ought to try opening your eyes while you read.

Peter M wrote:

> Good Lord, how did people get so stupid? DRM was nothing to do with MS.
> MS putting in DRM is so legitimate users can display DRM protected
> content. It's the sellers of said protected content ie. RIAA/MPAA
> calling the shots. If MS didn't included it, they could get sued like
> everyone else. Note also, linux nor apple can display this content
> unless the user installs whatever cracks or hacks that get around it. So
> go ahead, use linux and you'll use whatever crack/hack the 'nix
> community comes up with and brag how you don't use the evil empire while
> blithly brushing away your being a pirate. lol
>
> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
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>> Some well respected sources like IDG are seriously questioning Vista's
>> HD and premium
>> content copy protection, claiming is disempowers legitimate users from
>> watching
>> their legally obtained HD content:
>>
>>

I use mythtv on fedora core and have not had to hack anything to use my
linux media centre. I don't think you know what you're on about.

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Can you use MythTV with high end digital video connections? I can't
remember the name or acronym for what I am referring to but I think it is an
Intel standard.

Dale

"Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message
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> Peter M wrote:

>> Good Lord, how did people get so stupid? DRM was nothing to do with MS.
>> MS putting in DRM is so legitimate users can display DRM protected
>> content. It's the sellers of said protected content ie. RIAA/MPAA calling
>> the shots. If MS didn't included it, they could get sued like everyone
>> else. Note also, linux nor apple can display this content unless the user
>> installs whatever cracks or hacks that get around it. So go ahead, use
>> linux and you'll use whatever crack/hack the 'nix community comes up with
>> and brag how you don't use the evil empire while blithly brushing away
>> your being a pirate. lol
>>
>> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:%23rKLzOCNHHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> Some well respected sources like IDG are seriously questioning Vista's
>>> HD and premium
>>> content copy protection, claiming is disempowers legitimate users from
>>> watching
>>> their legally obtained HD content:
>>>
>>>

>
> I use mythtv on fedora core and have not had to hack anything to use my
> linux media centre. I don't think you know what you're on about.
>
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Dale wrote:

> Can you use MythTV with high end digital video connections? I can't
> remember the name or acronym for what I am referring to but I think it
> is an Intel standard.
>
> Dale

Hi Dale, you mean like s-video or dvi?

>
> "Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message
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>> Peter M wrote:

>>> Good Lord, how did people get so stupid? DRM was nothing to do with
>>> MS. MS putting in DRM is so legitimate users can display DRM
>>> protected content. It's the sellers of said protected content ie.
>>> RIAA/MPAA calling the shots. If MS didn't included it, they could get
>>> sued like everyone else. Note also, linux nor apple can display this
>>> content unless the user installs whatever cracks or hacks that get
>>> around it. So go ahead, use linux and you'll use whatever crack/hack
>>> the 'nix community comes up with and brag how you don't use the evil
>>> empire while blithly brushing away your being a pirate. lol
>>>
>>> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:%23rKLzOCNHHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Some well respected sources like IDG are seriously questioning
>>>> Vista's HD and premium
>>>> content copy protection, claiming is disempowers legitimate users
>>>> from watching
>>>> their legally obtained HD content:
>>>>
>>>>

>>
>> I use mythtv on fedora core and have not had to hack anything to use
>> my linux media centre. I don't think you know what you're on about.
>>
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I was thinking of HDMI. It's hell getting old; when I posted originally, I
couldn't even come close enough to remembering HDMI to even google it but
then, for this post, it came right to my mind. LOL.

And now that I have googled HDMI, I think I know the answer anyway. Why
would I want HDMI on MythTV? The reason for going to MythTV is to get away
from DRM but HDMI includes DRM. It's not specifically that I am against
DRM - if it was an open standard and worked I'd be ok with it. But I don't
want intentionally fuzzied TV or audio.

So, I guess if MythTV will work with DVI then I should be doing good. Does
it work with DVI?

It's probably a moot question anyway; my current setup is Dish Network's
S-Video out to S-Video in on a NTSC TV so anything has to be as good as
that. I even emailed Dish Network asking when they were going to have a USB
interface to a Windows PC. They said never. I'm waiting to buy an LCD TV
with HDTV until I have a suitable means of controlling it. It is becoming
clear that, as much as I like Vista for the desktop, it is not the tool for
a HTPC.

Wow. This topic is sure an alphabet soup, IMO. LOL.

TIA,

D

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> Dale wrote:

>> Can you use MythTV with high end digital video connections? I can't
>> remember the name or acronym for what I am referring to but I think it is
>> an Intel standard.
>>
>> Dale

>
> Hi Dale, you mean like s-video or dvi?
>

>>
>> "Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message
>> news:45a81b66$0$4759$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...

>>> Peter M wrote:
>>>> Good Lord, how did people get so stupid? DRM was nothing to do with MS.
>>>> MS putting in DRM is so legitimate users can display DRM protected
>>>> content. It's the sellers of said protected content ie. RIAA/MPAA
>>>> calling the shots. If MS didn't included it, they could get sued like
>>>> everyone else. Note also, linux nor apple can display this content
>>>> unless the user installs whatever cracks or hacks that get around it.
>>>> So go ahead, use linux and you'll use whatever crack/hack the 'nix
>>>> community comes up with and brag how you don't use the evil empire
>>>> while blithly brushing away your being a pirate. lol
>>>>
>>>> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23rKLzOCNHHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Some well respected sources like IDG are seriously questioning Vista's
>>>>> HD and premium
>>>>> content copy protection, claiming is disempowers legitimate users from
>>>>> watching
>>>>> their legally obtained HD content:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> I use mythtv on fedora core and have not had to hack anything to use my
>>> linux media centre. I don't think you know what you're on about.
>>>
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>>

>
>
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Dale wrote:

> I was thinking of HDMI. It's hell getting old; when I posted
> originally, I couldn't even come close enough to remembering HDMI to
> even google it but then, for this post, it came right to my mind. LOL.
>
> And now that I have googled HDMI, I think I know the answer anyway. Why
> would I want HDMI on MythTV? The reason for going to MythTV is to get
> away from DRM but HDMI includes DRM. It's not specifically that I am
> against DRM - if it was an open standard and worked I'd be ok with it.
> But I don't want intentionally fuzzied TV or audio.
>
> So, I guess if MythTV will work with DVI then I should be doing good.
> Does it work with DVI?
>
> It's probably a moot question anyway; my current setup is Dish Network's
> S-Video out to S-Video in on a NTSC TV so anything has to be as good as
> that. I even emailed Dish Network asking when they were going to have a
> USB interface to a Windows PC. They said never. I'm waiting to buy an
> LCD TV with HDTV until I have a suitable means of controlling it. It is
> becoming clear that, as much as I like Vista for the desktop, it is not
> the tool for a HTPC.
>
> Wow. This topic is sure an alphabet soup, IMO. LOL.
>
> TIA,
>
> D

Hi Dale.

http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/hdtv/connect.html

This explains how to hook up your mythtv media centre to an HD TV.

It will work over DVI, but you can also use a HDMI connector.

This is still an up and coming thing for us, as all of our TVs in the
house are still analogue tubes, LOL. An HD LCD TV is what we would
really like, but the prices just aren't feasible for us yet since we
have a family to support. Also, we as a family spend much more time in
front of our computers for recreation than the TV, so that is where we
spend most of our money.

Our setup now is on the standard line in inputs (please don't laugh too
hard, LOL).

Best of luck!

Nina

>
> "Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message
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>> Dale wrote:

>>> Can you use MythTV with high end digital video connections? I can't
>>> remember the name or acronym for what I am referring to but I think
>>> it is an Intel standard.
>>>
>>> Dale

>>
>> Hi Dale, you mean like s-video or dvi?
>>

>>>
>>> "Nina DiBoy" <nin@di.boy> wrote in message
>>> news:45a81b66$0$4759$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>>>> Peter M wrote:
>>>>> Good Lord, how did people get so stupid? DRM was nothing to do with
>>>>> MS. MS putting in DRM is so legitimate users can display DRM
>>>>> protected content. It's the sellers of said protected content ie.
>>>>> RIAA/MPAA calling the shots. If MS didn't included it, they could
>>>>> get sued like everyone else. Note also, linux nor apple can display
>>>>> this content unless the user installs whatever cracks or hacks that
>>>>> get around it. So go ahead, use linux and you'll use whatever
>>>>> crack/hack the 'nix community comes up with and brag how you don't
>>>>> use the evil empire while blithly brushing away your being a
>>>>> pirate. lol
>>>>>
>>>>> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23rKLzOCNHHA.3288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Some well respected sources like IDG are seriously questioning
>>>>>> Vista's HD and premium
>>>>>> content copy protection, claiming is disempowers legitimate users
>>>>>> from watching
>>>>>> their legally obtained HD content:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use mythtv on fedora core and have not had to hack anything to use
>>>> my linux media centre. I don't think you know what you're on about.
>>>>
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>>>

>>
>>
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Gerry Hickman wrote:

> There's plenty money for everyone, but DRM is not the way to get it.

Amazing, one week after I posted this, Bill Gates said the same thing!

Great minds??

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Where?


"Gerry Hickman" <gerry666uk@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
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> Gerry Hickman wrote:
>

>> There's plenty money for everyone, but DRM is not the way to get it.

>
> Amazing, one week after I posted this, Bill Gates said the same thing!
>
> Great minds??
>
> --
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