Vista - Documents & Settings Folder

Andrew

The folder structure has changed in Vista. Here is a website that documents
the changes including a list of the old XP folders and their new location
and name in Vista. There are a couple of other changes that you need to be
aware of, such as Junctions and Virtual Folders.

Windows Vista Junction Points:
http://www.svrops.com/svrops/articles/jpoints.htm


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Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"andrewnottmuk" <andrewnottmuk@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:14F53EB6-9D91-4646-B3BE-89E37893F1E8@microsoft.com...

> I'm new to Vista and cannot locate the "documents and settings" folder
> with
> c:\ has it been replaced by something else
> --
> Many Thanx

At the risk of sounding smart-alecky, might I wonder why Microsoft chos
to output a generic (and misleading) error message to the poor use
who's trying to double-click on a JP folder icon? How much more effor
would it have been to program a message such as "This icon is not
folder and cannot be opened in the normal fashion. It is a pointer t
the following folder: "C:\Users\Will\Documents". Do you want to go t
that folder? (Y/N buttons)

Or something like that. Too simple and obvious for MS programmers, wh
appear to delight in complexity. Perhaps someone will come up with
tweak for this. I would pay a few bucks to obtain such a nice littl
utility

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petecomp
Posted via http://www.vistaheads.co

On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:45:23 +0000, petecomp1
<petecomp1.326sgu@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote:

> At the risk of sounding smart-alecky, might I wonder why Microsoft chose
> to output a generic (and misleading) error message to the poor user
> who's trying to double-click on a JP folder icon? How much more effort
> would it have been to program a message such as "This icon is not a
> folder and cannot be opened in the normal fashion. It is a pointer to
> the following folder: "C:\Users\Will\Documents". Do you want to go to
> that folder? (Y/N buttons)
>
> Or something like that. Too simple and obvious for MS programmers, who
> appear to delight in complexity. Perhaps someone will come up with a
> tweak for this. I would pay a few bucks to obtain such a nice little
> utility!

I don't think your point is smart-alecky at all, and I agree with it
completely. I don't know why they didn't do as you suggest, but that's
only one example of a misleading Microsoft error-message. I wish
someone at Microsoft would spend some significant effort studying
error messages, with the intent of substantially improving them, and
making them much more informative and error-friendly.

But note that this problem is by no means limited to Microsoft. Almost
all other software vendors do similar things, and have been doing so
ever since the dawn of computers. Far too little effort is spent on
what the text of an error message should be.

I remember once getting an error message that read simply "Undefined."
Not only did I not know what was undefined, I didn't even know what
program displayed the message.

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Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ken Blake, MVP;588149 Wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:45:23 +0000, petecomp1
> <petecomp1.326sgu@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote:
>
>

> > At the risk of sounding smart-alecky, might I wonder why Microsoft

> chose

> > to output a generic (and misleading) error message to the poor user
> > who's trying to double-click on a JP folder icon? How much more

> effort

> > would it have been to program a message such as "This icon is not a
> > folder and cannot be opened in the normal fashion. It is a pointer

> to

> > the following folder: "C:\Users\Will\Documents". Do you want to go

> to

> > that folder? (Y/N buttons)
> >
> > Or something like that. Too simple and obvious for MS programmers,

> who

> > appear to delight in complexity. Perhaps someone will come up with a
> > tweak for this. I would pay a few bucks to obtain such a nice little
> > utility!

>
>
> I don't think your point is smart-alecky at all, and I agree with it
> completely. I don't know why they didn't do as you suggest, but that's
> only one example of a misleading Microsoft error-message. I wish
> someone at Microsoft would spend some significant effort studying
> error messages, with the intent of substantially improving them, and
> making them much more informative and error-friendly.
>
> But note that this problem is by no means limited to Microsoft. Almost
> all other software vendors do similar things, and have been doing so
> ever since the dawn of computers. Far too little effort is spent on
> what the text of an error message should be.
>
> I remember once getting an error message that read simply "Undefined."
> Not only did I not know what was undefined, I didn't even know what
> program displayed the message.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ken, appreciate your feedback, nice to know someone actually takes the
time to read these things. I think I'm going to like this forum. Agree
that MS is not alone when it comes to erroneous error messages; Symantec
stands out as another blatant offender when it comes to illogical and
irrelevant error messages. This is starting to get off topic, but of
great interest to me, so I think I'll start a new thread in a more
appropriate forum. Happy Holidays


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petecomp1
Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com

On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 04:51:14 +0000, petecomp1
<petecomp1.328hlg@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP;588149 Wrote:

> > On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:45:23 +0000, petecomp1
> > <petecomp1.326sgu@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote:
> >
> >

> > > At the risk of sounding smart-alecky, might I wonder why Microsoft

> > chose

> > > to output a generic (and misleading) error message to the poor user
> > > who's trying to double-click on a JP folder icon? How much more

> > effort

> > > would it have been to program a message such as "This icon is not a
> > > folder and cannot be opened in the normal fashion. It is a pointer

> > to

> > > the following folder: "C:\Users\Will\Documents". Do you want to go

> > to

> > > that folder? (Y/N buttons)
> > >
> > > Or something like that. Too simple and obvious for MS programmers,

> > who

> > > appear to delight in complexity. Perhaps someone will come up with a
> > > tweak for this. I would pay a few bucks to obtain such a nice little
> > > utility!

> >
> >
> > I don't think your point is smart-alecky at all, and I agree with it
> > completely. I don't know why they didn't do as you suggest, but that's
> > only one example of a misleading Microsoft error-message. I wish
> > someone at Microsoft would spend some significant effort studying
> > error messages, with the intent of substantially improving them, and
> > making them much more informative and error-friendly.
> >
> > But note that this problem is by no means limited to Microsoft. Almost
> > all other software vendors do similar things, and have been doing so
> > ever since the dawn of computers. Far too little effort is spent on
> > what the text of an error message should be.
> >
> > I remember once getting an error message that read simply "Undefined."
> > Not only did I not know what was undefined, I didn't even know what
> > program displayed the message.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> Ken, appreciate your feedback, nice to know someone actually takes the
> time to read these things. I think I'm going to like this forum. Agree
> that MS is not alone when it comes to erroneous error messages; Symantec
> stands out as another blatant offender when it comes to illogical and
> irrelevant error messages. This is starting to get off topic, but of
> great interest to me, so I think I'll start a new thread in a more
> appropriate forum. Happy Holidays

You're welcome, and Happy Holidays to you to.

By the way, may I point out that this is not really the "forum" you
think it is. You are participating via the vBulletin USENET gateway,
but this is really a public Microsoft newsgroup. Let me recommend that
you would have a much better experience here if you would participate
directly, using a newsreader, such as Outlook Express, which comes
with Windows. See
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/ou...snewreader.htm

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Hi, Pete.

I agree with Ken! But, since you posted into this Vista newsgroup, you
probably can't run OE at all. Windows Mail (WM) comes in every copy of
Vista as a replacement for OE, so you already have it just a click away.
Many of us prefer the new (released just last month) Windows Live Mail
(WLM); you can get your copy free at:
http://get.live.com/wlmail/features

Whether you are running OE or WM or WLM, just click here:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...ile_management

That one click should start OE/WM/WLM; create a News Account for the
Microsoft public news server, which is free and does not require you to log
on; subscribe you to THIS newsgroup (vista.file_management); download the
300 newest headers; and display the latest message in the Reading Pane. In
other words, it will bring you right back here, reading these same messages,
but in a different format. And this time, you are connected directly to the
MS server, rather than through a "middleman" that only "slurps" messages
from MS and relays them (and your replies) back and forth. The relay often
results in messages that are delayed, out of sequence or just plain lost.

As Ken said, most of us who have been reading newsgroups for a long time
greatly prefer the newsreader format, rather than the browser, or
"web-based" interface. You can try it for a while and see how you like it.
You can click Tools | Options and configure it in many ways to suit
yourself.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64)

"petecomp1" <petecomp1.328hlg@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote in message
newsetecomp1.328hlg@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com...

>
> Ken Blake, MVP;588149 Wrote:

>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:45:23 +0000, petecomp1
>> <petecomp1.326sgu@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote:
>>
>>

>> > At the risk of sounding smart-alecky, might I wonder why Microsoft

>> chose

>> > to output a generic (and misleading) error message to the poor user
>> > who's trying to double-click on a JP folder icon? How much more

>> effort

>> > would it have been to program a message such as "This icon is not a
>> > folder and cannot be opened in the normal fashion. It is a pointer

>> to

>> > the following folder: "C:\Users\Will\Documents". Do you want to go

>> to

>> > that folder? (Y/N buttons)
>> >
>> > Or something like that. Too simple and obvious for MS programmers,

>> who

>> > appear to delight in complexity. Perhaps someone will come up with a
>> > tweak for this. I would pay a few bucks to obtain such a nice little
>> > utility!

>>
>>
>> I don't think your point is smart-alecky at all, and I agree with it
>> completely. I don't know why they didn't do as you suggest, but that's
>> only one example of a misleading Microsoft error-message. I wish
>> someone at Microsoft would spend some significant effort studying
>> error messages, with the intent of substantially improving them, and
>> making them much more informative and error-friendly.
>>
>> But note that this problem is by no means limited to Microsoft. Almost
>> all other software vendors do similar things, and have been doing so
>> ever since the dawn of computers. Far too little effort is spent on
>> what the text of an error message should be.
>>
>> I remember once getting an error message that read simply "Undefined."
>> Not only did I not know what was undefined, I didn't even know what
>> program displayed the message.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> Ken, appreciate your feedback, nice to know someone actually takes the
> time to read these things. I think I'm going to like this forum. Agree
> that MS is not alone when it comes to erroneous error messages; Symantec
> stands out as another blatant offender when it comes to illogical and
> irrelevant error messages. This is starting to get off topic, but of
> great interest to me, so I think I'll start a new thread in a more
> appropriate forum. Happy Holidays
>
>
> --
> petecomp1
> Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com

Thanks RC, I did install Live Mail and I like it. Your help greatly
appreciated! I'm writing this from it now. Back to Vista file management:
Do any of you smart guys and gals know the best way to ask Microsoft if they
will please consider implementing my suggestion about Junction Point
folders? I will take to initiative to write to them, however I don't even
know where to start. Do they ever read these forums? Maybe they are
already working on this. It would be a great thing to be able to click on a
JP folder and have it actually tell you what the target or source folder is.
Best regards,
Pete

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:49D34AFB-8652-427A-9A27-552CCEEE67BE@microsoft.com...

> Hi, Pete.
>
> I agree with Ken! But, since you posted into this Vista newsgroup, you
> probably can't run OE at all. Windows Mail (WM) comes in every copy of
> Vista as a replacement for OE, so you already have it just a click away.
> Many of us prefer the new (released just last month) Windows Live Mail
> (WLM); you can get your copy free at:
> http://get.live.com/wlmail/features
>
> Whether you are running OE or WM or WLM, just click here:
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...ile_management
>
> That one click should start OE/WM/WLM; create a News Account for the
> Microsoft public news server, which is free and does not require you to
> log on; subscribe you to THIS newsgroup (vista.file_management); download
> the 300 newest headers; and display the latest message in the Reading
> Pane. In other words, it will bring you right back here, reading these
> same messages, but in a different format. And this time, you are
> connected directly to the MS server, rather than through a "middleman"
> that only "slurps" messages from MS and relays them (and your replies)
> back and forth. The relay often results in messages that are delayed, out
> of sequence or just plain lost.
>
> As Ken said, most of us who have been reading newsgroups for a long time
> greatly prefer the newsreader format, rather than the browser, or
> "web-based" interface. You can try it for a while and see how you like
> it. You can click Tools | Options and configure it in many ways to suit
> yourself.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@grandecom.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64)
>
> "petecomp1" <petecomp1.328hlg@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote in
> message newsetecomp1.328hlg@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com...

>>
>> Ken Blake, MVP;588149 Wrote:

>>> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 06:45:23 +0000, petecomp1
>>> <petecomp1.326sgu@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > At the risk of sounding smart-alecky, might I wonder why Microsoft
>>> chose
>>> > to output a generic (and misleading) error message to the poor user
>>> > who's trying to double-click on a JP folder icon? How much more
>>> effort
>>> > would it have been to program a message such as "This icon is not a
>>> > folder and cannot be opened in the normal fashion. It is a pointer
>>> to
>>> > the following folder: "C:\Users\Will\Documents". Do you want to go
>>> to
>>> > that folder? (Y/N buttons)
>>> >
>>> > Or something like that. Too simple and obvious for MS programmers,
>>> who
>>> > appear to delight in complexity. Perhaps someone will come up with a
>>> > tweak for this. I would pay a few bucks to obtain such a nice little
>>> > utility!
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think your point is smart-alecky at all, and I agree with it
>>> completely. I don't know why they didn't do as you suggest, but that's
>>> only one example of a misleading Microsoft error-message. I wish
>>> someone at Microsoft would spend some significant effort studying
>>> error messages, with the intent of substantially improving them, and
>>> making them much more informative and error-friendly.
>>>
>>> But note that this problem is by no means limited to Microsoft. Almost
>>> all other software vendors do similar things, and have been doing so
>>> ever since the dawn of computers. Far too little effort is spent on
>>> what the text of an error message should be.
>>>
>>> I remember once getting an error message that read simply "Undefined."
>>> Not only did I not know what was undefined, I didn't even know what
>>> program displayed the message.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

>> Ken, appreciate your feedback, nice to know someone actually takes the
>> time to read these things. I think I'm going to like this forum. Agree
>> that MS is not alone when it comes to erroneous error messages; Symantec
>> stands out as another blatant offender when it comes to illogical and
>> irrelevant error messages. This is starting to get off topic, but of
>> great interest to me, so I think I'll start a new thread in a more
>> appropriate forum. Happy Holidays
>>
>>
>> --
>> petecomp1
>> Posted via http://www.vistaheads.com

>