Vista - driving me mad

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:18:23 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk> wrote:

>New to Vista.
>Thanks to help from Mick I have successfully networked this new computer
>(Vista) with my XP computers.
>Specifically, I have shared 2 partitions and 1 folder on the Vista computer
>giving unrestricted access.
>These appear on the XP Pro computer I'm using at this moment.
>However, every attempt to open these shares fails. The undernoted is message
>from attempt to open the only folder within partition D:
>
>"\\G33\Program Files is not accessible. You might not have permission to use
>this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out
>if you have access permissions.
>Access is denied
>
>OK"
>
>PS I have just shared the DVD drive on the Vista computer and the XP
>computer can open without trouble.
>
>I confirm the Vista partitions and folder are open to "everyone".

What authentication is the Vista computer using? Password Protected Sharing On
or Off? Guest, or non-Guest, access?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...xp.html#Simple

With Guest access, "Program Files", which is considered part of the operating
system, won't be available through the network.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Guest>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-xp.html#Guest

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:18:23 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>

>>New to Vista.
>>Thanks to help from Mick I have successfully networked this new computer
>>(Vista) with my XP computers.
>>Specifically, I have shared 2 partitions and 1 folder on the Vista
>>computer
>>giving unrestricted access.
>>These appear on the XP Pro computer I'm using at this moment.
>>However, every attempt to open these shares fails. The undernoted is
>>message
>>from attempt to open the only folder within partition D:
>>
>>"\\G33\Program Files is not accessible. You might not have permission to
>>use
>>this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find
>>out
>>if you have access permissions.
>>Access is denied
>>
>>OK"
>>
>>PS I have just shared the DVD drive on the Vista computer and the XP
>>computer can open without trouble.
>>
>>I confirm the Vista partitions and folder are open to "everyone".

>
> What authentication is the Vista computer using? Password Protected
> Sharing On
> or Off? Guest, or non-Guest, access?
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...xp.html#Simple
>

Password protection is off.
I am aware of that. However the program files involved were on my D
partition at that time. I always (every computer) create a D drive for all
the programs that I add to the system (as opposed to what Microsoft do). I
call that drive/partition "Programs" and within that I have a folder named
"program files". I know that duplicated what is on the C partition, but I
always include the drive letter in the share name which maintains
uniqueness. I have never had a problem. An advantage, when adding new
software is that often the default requires only the drive letter to be
changed from C to D.
Having spent about 3 hours aquainting myself with Vista and trying to sort
the mess I have now lost the network.
Let me say I have networked through wfwg, 3.1, W95, W98 and XP and this is
easily the worst. How could Microsoft have messed this up so thoroughly.
Can someone please tell me step by step how to create the network again.
On all the info I can see the common workgroup is still OK. The Network and
Sharing Center shows Network Discovery and File Sharing ON, and all others
OFF.
I could do NOTHING with the Security tab - absolutely no options.
Microsoft firewall is OFF. I now have Zone Alarm installed, but have
included the IP addresses of my other computers in the "trusted" section so
that should be OK.
Fortunately, I have not activated this yet and feel about ready to give up,
unless I get step-by-step HELP.
Many thanks for your (or anyone else's) patience.

With Guest access, "Program Files", which is considered part of the
operating

> system, won't be available through the network.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Guest>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...-xp.html#Guest
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:09:15 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>news:rdu9o3p6gc28n6ehs02tib8c3njv5bh1la@4ax.com.. .

>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:18:23 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>

>>>New to Vista.
>>>Thanks to help from Mick I have successfully networked this new computer
>>>(Vista) with my XP computers.
>>>Specifically, I have shared 2 partitions and 1 folder on the Vista
>>>computer
>>>giving unrestricted access.
>>>These appear on the XP Pro computer I'm using at this moment.
>>>However, every attempt to open these shares fails. The undernoted is
>>>message
>>>from attempt to open the only folder within partition D:
>>>
>>>"\\G33\Program Files is not accessible. You might not have permission to
>>>use
>>>this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find
>>>out
>>>if you have access permissions.
>>>Access is denied
>>>
>>>OK"
>>>
>>>PS I have just shared the DVD drive on the Vista computer and the XP
>>>computer can open without trouble.
>>>
>>>I confirm the Vista partitions and folder are open to "everyone".

>>
>> What authentication is the Vista computer using? Password Protected
>> Sharing On
>> or Off? Guest, or non-Guest, access?
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...xp.html#Simple
>>

>Password protection is off.
>I am aware of that. However the program files involved were on my D
>partition at that time. I always (every computer) create a D drive for all
>the programs that I add to the system (as opposed to what Microsoft do). I
>call that drive/partition "Programs" and within that I have a folder named
>"program files". I know that duplicated what is on the C partition, but I
>always include the drive letter in the share name which maintains
>uniqueness. I have never had a problem. An advantage, when adding new
>software is that often the default requires only the drive letter to be
>changed from C to D.
>Having spent about 3 hours aquainting myself with Vista and trying to sort
>the mess I have now lost the network.
>Let me say I have networked through wfwg, 3.1, W95, W98 and XP and this is
>easily the worst. How could Microsoft have messed this up so thoroughly.
>Can someone please tell me step by step how to create the network again.
>On all the info I can see the common workgroup is still OK. The Network and
>Sharing Center shows Network Discovery and File Sharing ON, and all others
>OFF.
>I could do NOTHING with the Security tab - absolutely no options.
>Microsoft firewall is OFF. I now have Zone Alarm installed, but have
>included the IP addresses of my other computers in the "trusted" section so
>that should be OK.
>Fortunately, I have not activated this yet and feel about ready to give up,
>unless I get step-by-step HELP.
>Many thanks for your (or anyone else's) patience.

With your persistence, and our patience, we might learn something. That's why
these forums are here.

I use "D:\Program Files" too, but some fscking software insists on installing in
"C:\Program Files".

Zone Alarm isn't the most recommended product for protecting yourself while you
try to sort out a problem either. It's been known to cause complications.

What do you get if you turn Password Protected Sharing On?

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:09:15 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>

>>
>>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>>news:rdu9o3p6gc28n6ehs02tib8c3njv5bh1la@4ax.com. ..

>>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:18:23 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>New to Vista.
>>>>Thanks to help from Mick I have successfully networked this new computer
>>>>(Vista) with my XP computers.
>>>>Specifically, I have shared 2 partitions and 1 folder on the Vista
>>>>computer
>>>>giving unrestricted access.
>>>>These appear on the XP Pro computer I'm using at this moment.
>>>>However, every attempt to open these shares fails. The undernoted is
>>>>message
>>>>from attempt to open the only folder within partition D:
>>>>
>>>>"\\G33\Program Files is not accessible. You might not have permission to
>>>>use
>>>>this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find
>>>>out
>>>>if you have access permissions.
>>>>Access is denied
>>>>
>>>>OK"
>>>>
>>>>PS I have just shared the DVD drive on the Vista computer and the XP
>>>>computer can open without trouble.
>>>>
>>>>I confirm the Vista partitions and folder are open to "everyone".
>>>
>>> What authentication is the Vista computer using? Password Protected
>>> Sharing On
>>> or Off? Guest, or non-Guest, access?
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple>
>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...xp.html#Simple
>>>

>>Password protection is off.
>>I am aware of that. However the program files involved were on my D
>>partition at that time. I always (every computer) create a D drive for all
>>the programs that I add to the system (as opposed to what Microsoft do). I
>>call that drive/partition "Programs" and within that I have a folder named
>>"program files". I know that duplicated what is on the C partition, but I
>>always include the drive letter in the share name which maintains
>>uniqueness. I have never had a problem. An advantage, when adding new
>>software is that often the default requires only the drive letter to be
>>changed from C to D.
>>Having spent about 3 hours aquainting myself with Vista and trying to sort
>>the mess I have now lost the network.
>>Let me say I have networked through wfwg, 3.1, W95, W98 and XP and this is
>>easily the worst. How could Microsoft have messed this up so thoroughly.
>>Can someone please tell me step by step how to create the network again.
>>On all the info I can see the common workgroup is still OK. The Network
>>and
>>Sharing Center shows Network Discovery and File Sharing ON, and all others
>>OFF.
>>I could do NOTHING with the Security tab - absolutely no options.
>>Microsoft firewall is OFF. I now have Zone Alarm installed, but have
>>included the IP addresses of my other computers in the "trusted" section
>>so
>>that should be OK.
>>Fortunately, I have not activated this yet and feel about ready to give
>>up,
>>unless I get step-by-step HELP.
>>Many thanks for your (or anyone else's) patience.

>
> With your persistence, and our patience, we might learn something. That's
> why
> these forums are here.
>
> I use "D:\Program Files" too, but some fscking software insists on
> installing in
> "C:\Program Files".
>
> Zone Alarm isn't the most recommended product for protecting yourself
> while you
> try to sort out a problem either. It's been known to cause complications.
>
> What do you get if you turn Password Protected Sharing On?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT

> actual address pchuck mvps org.

Background: This XP PRO computer I am using is about 2 yards from my new
Vista computer which is giving me all the trouble.
The LAN came back up OK to day when I booted up both computers - all the
mucking about I did on the Vista computer must have caused the upset.
Position the same: Vista can access & open the XP files. XP can see the list
of shared files on the Vista but gets the message when trying to access.
First attempt at Password = ON brought request at XP computer for Password -
I don't use passwords and don't want to. I couldn't get passed this screen -
when I entered the User name and left password blank it just kept looping.
Back to Vista comp. to turn password back OFF and noticed this comp was not
even seeing the XP, so rebooted and contact was established again.
Vista password turned ON.
XP comp same fail with no request for password - I just don't understand
this.
Vista password turned back OFF and back to status quo.
I find this weird - immediately I installed the Vista operating system I was
on the Internet without a single problem and yet the LAN part is giving this
problem and waste of time.
Looking at this Newsgroup it is apparent that many people are having
problems - how can MS muck this thing up so badly when XP was/is so good.
Incidentally (and as you would expect as the 2 computers can see each other)
each comp. can ping the other.

"AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
> news:dkmao392pbvkic27gkb06rgbk6mbvpvsgp@4ax.com...

>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:09:15 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>

>>>
>>>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>>>news:rdu9o3p6gc28n6ehs02tib8c3njv5bh1la@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:18:23 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>New to Vista.
>>>>>Thanks to help from Mick I have successfully networked this new
>>>>>computer
>>>>>(Vista) with my XP computers.
>>>>>Specifically, I have shared 2 partitions and 1 folder on the Vista
>>>>>computer
>>>>>giving unrestricted access.
>>>>>These appear on the XP Pro computer I'm using at this moment.
>>>>>However, every attempt to open these shares fails. The undernoted is
>>>>>message
>>>>>from attempt to open the only folder within partition D:
>>>>>
>>>>>"\\G33\Program Files is not accessible. You might not have permission
>>>>>to
>>>>>use
>>>>>this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find
>>>>>out
>>>>>if you have access permissions.
>>>>>Access is denied
>>>>>
>>>>>OK"
>>>>>
>>>>>PS I have just shared the DVD drive on the Vista computer and the XP
>>>>>computer can open without trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>>I confirm the Vista partitions and folder are open to "everyone".
>>>>
>>>> What authentication is the Vista computer using? Password Protected
>>>> Sharing On
>>>> or Off? Guest, or non-Guest, access?
>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple>
>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...xp.html#Simple
>>>>
>>>Password protection is off.
>>>I am aware of that. However the program files involved were on my D
>>>partition at that time. I always (every computer) create a D drive for
>>>all
>>>the programs that I add to the system (as opposed to what Microsoft do).
>>>I
>>>call that drive/partition "Programs" and within that I have a folder
>>>named
>>>"program files". I know that duplicated what is on the C partition, but I
>>>always include the drive letter in the share name which maintains
>>>uniqueness. I have never had a problem. An advantage, when adding new
>>>software is that often the default requires only the drive letter to be
>>>changed from C to D.
>>>Having spent about 3 hours aquainting myself with Vista and trying to
>>>sort
>>>the mess I have now lost the network.
>>>Let me say I have networked through wfwg, 3.1, W95, W98 and XP and this
>>>is
>>>easily the worst. How could Microsoft have messed this up so thoroughly.
>>>Can someone please tell me step by step how to create the network again.
>>>On all the info I can see the common workgroup is still OK. The Network
>>>and
>>>Sharing Center shows Network Discovery and File Sharing ON, and all
>>>others
>>>OFF.
>>>I could do NOTHING with the Security tab - absolutely no options.
>>>Microsoft firewall is OFF. I now have Zone Alarm installed, but have
>>>included the IP addresses of my other computers in the "trusted" section
>>>so
>>>that should be OK.
>>>Fortunately, I have not activated this yet and feel about ready to give
>>>up,
>>>unless I get step-by-step HELP.
>>>Many thanks for your (or anyone else's) patience.

>>
>> With your persistence, and our patience, we might learn something.
>> That's why
>> these forums are here.
>>
>> I use "D:\Program Files" too, but some fscking software insists on
>> installing in
>> "C:\Program Files".
>>
>> Zone Alarm isn't the most recommended product for protecting yourself
>> while you
>> try to sort out a problem either. It's been known to cause
>> complications.
>>
>> What do you get if you turn Password Protected Sharing On?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
>> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
>> My email is AT DOT

>

>> actual address pchuck mvps org.

>
> Background: This XP PRO computer I am using is about 2 yards from my new
> Vista computer which is giving me all the trouble.
> The LAN came back up OK to day when I booted up both computers - all the
> mucking about I did on the Vista computer must have caused the upset.
> Position the same: Vista can access & open the XP files. XP can see the
> list of shared files on the Vista but gets the message when trying to
> access.
> First attempt at Password = ON brought request at XP computer for
> Password - I don't use passwords and don't want to. I couldn't get passed
> this screen - when I entered the User name and left password blank it just
> kept looping. Back to Vista comp. to turn password back OFF and noticed
> this comp was not even seeing the XP, so rebooted and contact was
> established again.
> Vista password turned ON.
> XP comp same fail with no request for password - I just don't understand
> this.
> Vista password turned back OFF and back to status quo.
> I find this weird - immediately I installed the Vista operating system I
> was on the Internet without a single problem and yet the LAN part is
> giving this problem and waste of time.
> Looking at this Newsgroup it is apparent that many people are having
> problems - how can MS muck this thing up so badly when XP was/is so good.
> Incidentally (and as you would expect as the 2 computers can see each
> other) each comp. can ping the other.

Another thought.
I am quite happy to do another install. Would that be a good idea?

>
>

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:05:41 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>news:dkmao392pbvkic27gkb06rgbk6mbvpvsgp@4ax.com.. .

>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:09:15 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>

>>>
>>>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>>>news:rdu9o3p6gc28n6ehs02tib8c3njv5bh1la@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:18:23 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>New to Vista.
>>>>>Thanks to help from Mick I have successfully networked this new computer
>>>>>(Vista) with my XP computers.
>>>>>Specifically, I have shared 2 partitions and 1 folder on the Vista
>>>>>computer
>>>>>giving unrestricted access.
>>>>>These appear on the XP Pro computer I'm using at this moment.
>>>>>However, every attempt to open these shares fails. The undernoted is
>>>>>message
>>>>>from attempt to open the only folder within partition D:
>>>>>
>>>>>"\\G33\Program Files is not accessible. You might not have permission to
>>>>>use
>>>>>this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find
>>>>>out
>>>>>if you have access permissions.
>>>>>Access is denied
>>>>>
>>>>>OK"
>>>>>
>>>>>PS I have just shared the DVD drive on the Vista computer and the XP
>>>>>computer can open without trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>>I confirm the Vista partitions and folder are open to "everyone".
>>>>
>>>> What authentication is the Vista computer using? Password Protected
>>>> Sharing On
>>>> or Off? Guest, or non-Guest, access?
>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple>
>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...xp.html#Simple
>>>>
>>>Password protection is off.
>>>I am aware of that. However the program files involved were on my D
>>>partition at that time. I always (every computer) create a D drive for all
>>>the programs that I add to the system (as opposed to what Microsoft do). I
>>>call that drive/partition "Programs" and within that I have a folder named
>>>"program files". I know that duplicated what is on the C partition, but I
>>>always include the drive letter in the share name which maintains
>>>uniqueness. I have never had a problem. An advantage, when adding new
>>>software is that often the default requires only the drive letter to be
>>>changed from C to D.
>>>Having spent about 3 hours aquainting myself with Vista and trying to sort
>>>the mess I have now lost the network.
>>>Let me say I have networked through wfwg, 3.1, W95, W98 and XP and this is
>>>easily the worst. How could Microsoft have messed this up so thoroughly.
>>>Can someone please tell me step by step how to create the network again.
>>>On all the info I can see the common workgroup is still OK. The Network
>>>and
>>>Sharing Center shows Network Discovery and File Sharing ON, and all others
>>>OFF.
>>>I could do NOTHING with the Security tab - absolutely no options.
>>>Microsoft firewall is OFF. I now have Zone Alarm installed, but have
>>>included the IP addresses of my other computers in the "trusted" section
>>>so
>>>that should be OK.
>>>Fortunately, I have not activated this yet and feel about ready to give
>>>up,
>>>unless I get step-by-step HELP.
>>>Many thanks for your (or anyone else's) patience.

>>
>> With your persistence, and our patience, we might learn something. That's
>> why
>> these forums are here.
>>
>> I use "D:\Program Files" too, but some fscking software insists on
>> installing in
>> "C:\Program Files".
>>
>> Zone Alarm isn't the most recommended product for protecting yourself
>> while you
>> try to sort out a problem either. It's been known to cause complications.
>>
>> What do you get if you turn Password Protected Sharing On?

>Background: This XP PRO computer I am using is about 2 yards from my new
>Vista computer which is giving me all the trouble.
>The LAN came back up OK to day when I booted up both computers - all the
>mucking about I did on the Vista computer must have caused the upset.
>Position the same: Vista can access & open the XP files. XP can see the list
>of shared files on the Vista but gets the message when trying to access.
>First attempt at Password = ON brought request at XP computer for Password -
>I don't use passwords and don't want to. I couldn't get passed this screen -
>when I entered the User name and left password blank it just kept looping.
>Back to Vista comp. to turn password back OFF and noticed this comp was not
>even seeing the XP, so rebooted and contact was established again.
>Vista password turned ON.
>XP comp same fail with no request for password - I just don't understand
>this.
>Vista password turned back OFF and back to status quo.
>I find this weird - immediately I installed the Vista operating system I was
>on the Internet without a single problem and yet the LAN part is giving this
>problem and waste of time.
>Looking at this Newsgroup it is apparent that many people are having
>problems - how can MS muck this thing up so badly when XP was/is so good.
>Incidentally (and as you would expect as the 2 computers can see each other)
>each comp. can ping the other.

Here's where you need to start:

>I don't use passwords and don't want to.

By default, if you're going to use Advanced File Sharing (SFS Off or PPS On),
you have to use a non-blank password, identical on all computers. You can use
the Local Security Policy Editor if you wish, and turn this off.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Synchronise>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ml#Synchronise

And yes, there is a noticeable percentage of the problems, being reported here,
of folks having problems with their passwords on their computers. What does
that tell you? It simply tells ME that right now, of the folks having problems
with Vista, that's the predominantly REPORTED problem. It does NOT tell me that
Vista is a muck up, as there are waaaay more people NOT having those problems,
who simply aren't reporting problems here, they are using their computers.
<http://bloggerstatusforreal.blogspot.com/2007/04/etiology-blogger-and-you.html>
http://bloggerstatusforreal.blogspot...r-and-you.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

Chuck - thanks for your help and I still say the Vista permissions thing is
a mess.
I have now resolved thanks to trial and error.
Knowing that you will continue to support others I have noted the cure:
First of all to get a clean situation I created another partition (F).
I went through the usual "sharing" routine and gave full access to
"Everyone" which was there as default.
I was sure this wouldn't work and it didn't - access still refused.
Back again into Properties for F and opened Security tab.
First thing that hit me was that Everyone was not in the "Group or Users
Names". I think this is awful as everyone is the default in the Sharing tab.
The Group showed:
Authenticated Users (whoever these may be) - all access EXCEPT Full Control.
I changed to five Full Control.
System
Administrators (G33\Administrators)
Users
The 3 above had all the access permissions.
I deduced that I should add "Everyone" to the list, but before doing so I
tried to access again, given that I had given Full Control to Authenticated
Users (what are these?)
Access still refused, so time to add Everyone.

Volume/Properties/Edit/Add/Advanced/Find Now/clicked Everyone/OK/ and
allowed Full Control.
Perfect.

I hope this might help you to help others.
What I find disturbing is that the default of "Everyone" in the Sharing tab
does not automatically appear in the Security tab and with full control if
that has been given when "Sharing".
Again, thanks for your kind attention.

"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:05:41 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>

>>
>>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>>news:dkmao392pbvkic27gkb06rgbk6mbvpvsgp@4ax.com. ..

>>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:09:15 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:rdu9o3p6gc28n6ehs02tib8c3njv5bh1la@4ax.co m...
>>>>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:18:23 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>New to Vista.
>>>>>>Thanks to help from Mick I have successfully networked this new
>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>(Vista) with my XP computers.
>>>>>>Specifically, I have shared 2 partitions and 1 folder on the Vista
>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>giving unrestricted access.
>>>>>>These appear on the XP Pro computer I'm using at this moment.
>>>>>>However, every attempt to open these shares fails. The undernoted is
>>>>>>message
>>>>>>from attempt to open the only folder within partition D:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"\\G33\Program Files is not accessible. You might not have permission
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>use
>>>>>>this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to
>>>>>>find
>>>>>>out
>>>>>>if you have access permissions.
>>>>>>Access is denied
>>>>>>
>>>>>>OK"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>PS I have just shared the DVD drive on the Vista computer and the
>>>>>>XP
>>>>>>computer can open without trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I confirm the Vista partitions and folder are open to "everyone".
>>>>>
>>>>> What authentication is the Vista computer using? Password Protected
>>>>> Sharing On
>>>>> or Off? Guest, or non-Guest, access?
>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple>
>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...xp.html#Simple
>>>>>
>>>>Password protection is off.
>>>>I am aware of that. However the program files involved were on my D
>>>>partition at that time. I always (every computer) create a D drive for
>>>>all
>>>>the programs that I add to the system (as opposed to what Microsoft do).
>>>>I
>>>>call that drive/partition "Programs" and within that I have a folder
>>>>named
>>>>"program files". I know that duplicated what is on the C partition, but
>>>>I
>>>>always include the drive letter in the share name which maintains
>>>>uniqueness. I have never had a problem. An advantage, when adding new
>>>>software is that often the default requires only the drive letter to be
>>>>changed from C to D.
>>>>Having spent about 3 hours aquainting myself with Vista and trying to
>>>>sort
>>>>the mess I have now lost the network.
>>>>Let me say I have networked through wfwg, 3.1, W95, W98 and XP and this
>>>>is
>>>>easily the worst. How could Microsoft have messed this up so thoroughly.
>>>>Can someone please tell me step by step how to create the network again.
>>>>On all the info I can see the common workgroup is still OK. The Network
>>>>and
>>>>Sharing Center shows Network Discovery and File Sharing ON, and all
>>>>others
>>>>OFF.
>>>>I could do NOTHING with the Security tab - absolutely no options.
>>>>Microsoft firewall is OFF. I now have Zone Alarm installed, but have
>>>>included the IP addresses of my other computers in the "trusted" section
>>>>so
>>>>that should be OK.
>>>>Fortunately, I have not activated this yet and feel about ready to give
>>>>up,
>>>>unless I get step-by-step HELP.
>>>>Many thanks for your (or anyone else's) patience.
>>>
>>> With your persistence, and our patience, we might learn something.
>>> That's
>>> why
>>> these forums are here.
>>>
>>> I use "D:\Program Files" too, but some fscking software insists on
>>> installing in
>>> "C:\Program Files".
>>>
>>> Zone Alarm isn't the most recommended product for protecting yourself
>>> while you
>>> try to sort out a problem either. It's been known to cause
>>> complications.
>>>
>>> What do you get if you turn Password Protected Sharing On?

>

>>Background: This XP PRO computer I am using is about 2 yards from my new
>>Vista computer which is giving me all the trouble.
>>The LAN came back up OK to day when I booted up both computers - all the
>>mucking about I did on the Vista computer must have caused the upset.
>>Position the same: Vista can access & open the XP files. XP can see the
>>list
>>of shared files on the Vista but gets the message when trying to access.
>>First attempt at Password = ON brought request at XP computer for
>>Password -
>>I don't use passwords and don't want to. I couldn't get passed this
>>screen -
>>when I entered the User name and left password blank it just kept looping.
>>Back to Vista comp. to turn password back OFF and noticed this comp was
>>not
>>even seeing the XP, so rebooted and contact was established again.
>>Vista password turned ON.
>>XP comp same fail with no request for password - I just don't understand
>>this.
>>Vista password turned back OFF and back to status quo.
>>I find this weird - immediately I installed the Vista operating system I
>>was
>>on the Internet without a single problem and yet the LAN part is giving
>>this
>>problem and waste of time.
>>Looking at this Newsgroup it is apparent that many people are having
>>problems - how can MS muck this thing up so badly when XP was/is so good.
>>Incidentally (and as you would expect as the 2 computers can see each
>>other)
>>each comp. can ping the other.

>
> Here's where you need to start:

>>I don't use passwords and don't want to.

>
> By default, if you're going to use Advanced File Sharing (SFS Off or PPS
> On),
> you have to use a non-blank password, identical on all computers. You can
> use
> the Local Security Policy Editor if you wish, and turn this off.
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Synchronise>
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ml#Synchronise
>
> And yes, there is a noticeable percentage of the problems, being reported
> here,
> of folks having problems with their passwords on their computers. What
> does
> that tell you? It simply tells ME that right now, of the folks having
> problems
> with Vista, that's the predominantly REPORTED problem. It does NOT tell
> me that
> Vista is a muck up, as there are waaaay more people NOT having those
> problems,
> who simply aren't reporting problems here, they are using their computers.
> <http://bloggerstatusforreal.blogspot.com/2007/04/etiology-blogger-and-you.html>
> http://bloggerstatusforreal.blogspot...r-and-you.html
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:06:06 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk> wrote:

>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>news:bkgco3lma3890l278fiarhuf07g7sj0tm7@4ax.com.. .

>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:05:41 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>

>>>
>>>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>>>news:dkmao392pbvkic27gkb06rgbk6mbvpvsgp@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:09:15 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Chuck [MVP]" <none@example.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:rdu9o3p6gc28n6ehs02tib8c3njv5bh1la@4ax.c om...
>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:18:23 -0000, "AT and HMB" <zen18242@zen.co.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>New to Vista.
>>>>>>>Thanks to help from Mick I have successfully networked this new
>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>(Vista) with my XP computers.
>>>>>>>Specifically, I have shared 2 partitions and 1 folder on the Vista
>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>giving unrestricted access.
>>>>>>>These appear on the XP Pro computer I'm using at this moment.
>>>>>>>However, every attempt to open these shares fails. The undernoted is
>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>from attempt to open the only folder within partition D:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"\\G33\Program Files is not accessible. You might not have permission
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>use
>>>>>>>this network resource. Contact the administrator of this server to
>>>>>>>find
>>>>>>>out
>>>>>>>if you have access permissions.
>>>>>>>Access is denied
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>OK"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PS I have just shared the DVD drive on the Vista computer and the
>>>>>>>XP
>>>>>>>computer can open without trouble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I confirm the Vista partitions and folder are open to "everyone".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What authentication is the Vista computer using? Password Protected
>>>>>> Sharing On
>>>>>> or Off? Guest, or non-Guest, access?
>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Simple>
>>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...xp.html#Simple
>>>>>>
>>>>>Password protection is off.
>>>>>I am aware of that. However the program files involved were on my D
>>>>>partition at that time. I always (every computer) create a D drive for
>>>>>all
>>>>>the programs that I add to the system (as opposed to what Microsoft do).
>>>>>I
>>>>>call that drive/partition "Programs" and within that I have a folder
>>>>>named
>>>>>"program files". I know that duplicated what is on the C partition, but
>>>>>I
>>>>>always include the drive letter in the share name which maintains
>>>>>uniqueness. I have never had a problem. An advantage, when adding new
>>>>>software is that often the default requires only the drive letter to be
>>>>>changed from C to D.
>>>>>Having spent about 3 hours aquainting myself with Vista and trying to
>>>>>sort
>>>>>the mess I have now lost the network.
>>>>>Let me say I have networked through wfwg, 3.1, W95, W98 and XP and this
>>>>>is
>>>>>easily the worst. How could Microsoft have messed this up so thoroughly.
>>>>>Can someone please tell me step by step how to create the network again.
>>>>>On all the info I can see the common workgroup is still OK. The Network
>>>>>and
>>>>>Sharing Center shows Network Discovery and File Sharing ON, and all
>>>>>others
>>>>>OFF.
>>>>>I could do NOTHING with the Security tab - absolutely no options.
>>>>>Microsoft firewall is OFF. I now have Zone Alarm installed, but have
>>>>>included the IP addresses of my other computers in the "trusted" section
>>>>>so
>>>>>that should be OK.
>>>>>Fortunately, I have not activated this yet and feel about ready to give
>>>>>up,
>>>>>unless I get step-by-step HELP.
>>>>>Many thanks for your (or anyone else's) patience.
>>>>
>>>> With your persistence, and our patience, we might learn something.
>>>> That's
>>>> why
>>>> these forums are here.
>>>>
>>>> I use "D:\Program Files" too, but some fscking software insists on
>>>> installing in
>>>> "C:\Program Files".
>>>>
>>>> Zone Alarm isn't the most recommended product for protecting yourself
>>>> while you
>>>> try to sort out a problem either. It's been known to cause
>>>> complications.
>>>>
>>>> What do you get if you turn Password Protected Sharing On?

>>

>>>Background: This XP PRO computer I am using is about 2 yards from my new
>>>Vista computer which is giving me all the trouble.
>>>The LAN came back up OK to day when I booted up both computers - all the
>>>mucking about I did on the Vista computer must have caused the upset.
>>>Position the same: Vista can access & open the XP files. XP can see the
>>>list
>>>of shared files on the Vista but gets the message when trying to access.
>>>First attempt at Password = ON brought request at XP computer for
>>>Password -
>>>I don't use passwords and don't want to. I couldn't get passed this
>>>screen -
>>>when I entered the User name and left password blank it just kept looping.
>>>Back to Vista comp. to turn password back OFF and noticed this comp was
>>>not
>>>even seeing the XP, so rebooted and contact was established again.
>>>Vista password turned ON.
>>>XP comp same fail with no request for password - I just don't understand
>>>this.
>>>Vista password turned back OFF and back to status quo.
>>>I find this weird - immediately I installed the Vista operating system I
>>>was
>>>on the Internet without a single problem and yet the LAN part is giving
>>>this
>>>problem and waste of time.
>>>Looking at this Newsgroup it is apparent that many people are having
>>>problems - how can MS muck this thing up so badly when XP was/is so good.
>>>Incidentally (and as you would expect as the 2 computers can see each
>>>other)
>>>each comp. can ping the other.

>>
>> Here's where you need to start:

>>>I don't use passwords and don't want to.

>>
>> By default, if you're going to use Advanced File Sharing (SFS Off or PPS
>> On),
>> you have to use a non-blank password, identical on all computers. You can
>> use
>> the Local Security Policy Editor if you wish, and turn this off.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Synchronise>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/0...ml#Synchronise
>>
>> And yes, there is a noticeable percentage of the problems, being reported
>> here,
>> of folks having problems with their passwords on their computers. What
>> does
>> that tell you? It simply tells ME that right now, of the folks having
>> problems
>> with Vista, that's the predominantly REPORTED problem. It does NOT tell
>> me that
>> Vista is a muck up, as there are waaaay more people NOT having those
>> problems,
>> who simply aren't reporting problems here, they are using their computers.
>> <http://bloggerstatusforreal.blogspot.com/2007/04/etiology-blogger-and-you.html>
>> http://bloggerstatusforreal.blogspot...r-and-you.html

>Chuck - thanks for your help and I still say the Vista permissions thing is
>a mess.
>I have now resolved thanks to trial and error.
>Knowing that you will continue to support others I have noted the cure:
>First of all to get a clean situation I created another partition (F).
>I went through the usual "sharing" routine and gave full access to
>"Everyone" which was there as default.
>I was sure this wouldn't work and it didn't - access still refused.
>Back again into Properties for F and opened Security tab.
>First thing that hit me was that Everyone was not in the "Group or Users
>Names". I think this is awful as everyone is the default in the Sharing tab.
>The Group showed:
>Authenticated Users (whoever these may be) - all access EXCEPT Full Control.
>I changed to five Full Control.
>System
>Administrators (G33\Administrators)
>Users
>The 3 above had all the access permissions.
>I deduced that I should add "Everyone" to the list, but before doing so I
>tried to access again, given that I had given Full Control to Authenticated
>Users (what are these?)
>Access still refused, so time to add Everyone.
>
>Volume/Properties/Edit/Add/Advanced/Find Now/clicked Everyone/OK/ and
>allowed Full Control.
>Perfect.
>
>I hope this might help you to help others.
>What I find disturbing is that the default of "Everyone" in the Sharing tab
>does not automatically appear in the Security tab and with full control if
>that has been given when "Sharing".
>Again, thanks for your kind attention.

Authenticated Users includes everybody with authenticated access to a network
resource. Everyone is, well, everyone, including Guests. If the Guest account
isn't active, "Authenticated Users" == "Everyone". With PPS disabled,
"Authenticated Users" == "Guest authentication".

Here are a couple relevant Microsoft articles about authentication in Vista.
The reference to "roaming profiles" is more relevant to domains, where you can
have one profile replicated across multiple clients, but I suspect that you'll
find some idea there about the difference between "Authenticated Users" and
"Everyone".
<http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/ACL/>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/tec...s/2007/06/ACL/
<http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsVista/en/library/fb3681b2-da39-4944-93ad-dd3b6e8ca4dc1033.mspx?mfr=true>
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Window....mspx?mfr=true

There are a lot of terminology choices that Microsoft makes that give me a
headache. This is merely one. Thanks for the update.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.