VISTA general impression

> The security of the UAC, while a bother to many doing the actual testing
> of these betas, will prevent many average users and curious business users
> from either installing, modifying or deleting something they should not,
> and also prevent most of the common forms of malware from running, because
> these users and malwares will not have the access to the elevated level of
> permissions. That, is one of the ways that Vista is significantly
> different from XP.
>
> "mgm" <mgmombo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ucFh0ucsGHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Perhaps I'm simply a cynical consumer but any product deeming itself as
>> "New AND Improved" must pass a simple test; it it has to increase it's
>> functionality while using the same, or ideally less available resources.
>> Ideally this "New and Improved" product would do more and use less.
>> Routinely, most new products may do a little more for a little more
>> resources. Resources, be it time, money, hardware, or labor, are finite.
>> Resources aren't limitless unless we're in the Garden of Eden. A whopping
>> 16GB OS install takes about 400% more of my hard drive resource than XP
>> sp2 Pro does. Maybe I'm missing the point of VISTA but an OS that uses
>> 16GB of hard-drive just to install and will need at least 1GB RAM to
>> minimally perform seems to be an immense resource waste. Can anyone
>> please point out and explain exactly what new functionality Windows VISTA
>> has that WinXP does not? Please leave out the marketing spins and weasel
>> words of "helps", "improves" and the like. Does VISTA have any real
>> added functionality for the cost?
>>

>
>

> Please correct me if I'm wrong but using limited user accounts in XP
> (configuring for security) and free 3rd party software accomplished the
> same thing. I installed programs and did system changes with admin
> priviledges in XP. I used my applications, surfed the web as a limited
> user. Again, I ask what is the added, new functionality for the cost?
>
> "Mark D. VandenBeg" <mvan103@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uh8DbzcsGHA.3904@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> The security of the UAC, while a bother to many doing the actual testing
>> of these betas, will prevent many average users and curious business
>> users from either installing, modifying or deleting something they should
>> not, and also prevent most of the common forms of malware from running,
>> because these users and malwares will not have the access to the elevated
>> level of permissions. That, is one of the ways that Vista is
>> significantly different from XP.
>>
>> "mgm" <mgmombo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ucFh0ucsGHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Perhaps I'm simply a cynical consumer but any product deeming itself as
>>> "New AND Improved" must pass a simple test; it it has to increase it's
>>> functionality while using the same, or ideally less available resources.
>>> Ideally this "New and Improved" product would do more and use less.
>>> Routinely, most new products may do a little more for a little more
>>> resources. Resources, be it time, money, hardware, or labor, are
>>> finite. Resources aren't limitless unless we're in the Garden of Eden. A
>>> whopping 16GB OS install takes about 400% more of my hard drive resource
>>> than XP sp2 Pro does. Maybe I'm missing the point of VISTA but an OS
>>> that uses 16GB of hard-drive just to install and will need at least 1GB
>>> RAM to minimally perform seems to be an immense resource waste. Can
>>> anyone please point out and explain exactly what new functionality
>>> Windows VISTA has that WinXP does not? Please leave out the marketing
>>> spins and weasel words of "helps", "improves" and the like. Does VISTA
>>> have any real added functionality for the cost?
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

> The problem is that 99% of users did not do what you did. Microsoft
> preached the gospel of not running as Admin for years and it just was not
> taking hold. Now they see little choice but to enforce it; hence, UAC.
>
> "mgm" <mgmombo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MIvc6csGHA.3368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Please correct me if I'm wrong but using limited user accounts in XP
>> (configuring for security) and free 3rd party software accomplished the
>> same thing. I installed programs and did system changes with admin
>> priviledges in XP. I used my applications, surfed the web as a limited
>> user. Again, I ask what is the added, new functionality for the cost?
>>
>> "Mark D. VandenBeg" <mvan103@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uh8DbzcsGHA.3904@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>> The security of the UAC, while a bother to many doing the actual testing
>>> of these betas, will prevent many average users and curious business
>>> users from either installing, modifying or deleting something they should
>>> not, and also prevent most of the common forms of malware from running,
>>> because these users and malwares will not have the access to the elevated
>>> level of permissions. That, is one of the ways that Vista is
>>> significantly different from XP.
>>>
>>> "mgm" <mgmombo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ucFh0ucsGHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Perhaps I'm simply a cynical consumer but any product deeming itself as
>>>> "New AND Improved" must pass a simple test; it it has to increase it's
>>>> functionality while using the same, or ideally less available resources.
>>>> Ideally this "New and Improved" product would do more and use less.
>>>> Routinely, most new products may do a little more for a little more
>>>> resources. Resources, be it time, money, hardware, or labor, are
>>>> finite. Resources aren't limitless unless we're in the Garden of Eden. A
>>>> whopping 16GB OS install takes about 400% more of my hard drive resource
>>>> than XP sp2 Pro does. Maybe I'm missing the point of VISTA but an OS
>>>> that uses 16GB of hard-drive just to install and will need at least 1GB
>>>> RAM to minimally perform seems to be an immense resource waste. Can
>>>> anyone please point out and explain exactly what new functionality
>>>> Windows VISTA has that WinXP does not? Please leave out the marketing
>>>> spins and weasel words of "helps", "improves" and the like. Does VISTA
>>>> have any real added functionality for the cost?
>>>>
>>>

>>

>
>

> Again, I ask what is the added, new functionality for the cost?

> Please correct me if I'm wrong but using limited user accounts in XP
> (configuring for security) and free 3rd party software accomplished
> the same thing. I installed programs and did system changes with
> admin priviledges in XP. I used my applications, surfed the web as a
> limited user. Again, I ask what is the added, new functionality for
> the cost?
> "Mark D. VandenBeg" <mvan103@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uh8DbzcsGHA.3904@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> The security of the UAC, while a bother to many doing the actual
>> testing of these betas, will prevent many average users and curious
>> business users from either installing, modifying or deleting
>> something they should not, and also prevent most of the common forms
>> of malware from running, because these users and malwares will not
>> have the access to the elevated level of permissions. That, is one
>> of the ways that Vista is significantly different from XP.
>>
>> "mgm" <mgmombo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ucFh0ucsGHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Perhaps I'm simply a cynical consumer but any product deeming
>>> itself as "New AND Improved" must pass a simple test; it it has to
>>> increase it's functionality while using the same, or ideally less
>>> available resources. Ideally this "New and Improved" product would
>>> do more and use less. Routinely, most new products may do a little
>>> more for a little more resources. Resources, be it time, money,
>>> hardware, or labor, are finite. Resources aren't limitless unless
>>> we're in the Garden of Eden. A whopping 16GB OS install takes about
>>> 400% more of my hard drive resource than XP sp2 Pro does. Maybe
>>> I'm missing the point of VISTA but an OS that uses 16GB of
>>> hard-drive just to install and will need at least 1GB RAM to
>>> minimally perform seems to be an immense resource waste. Can anyone
>>> please point out and explain exactly what new functionality Windows
>>> VISTA has that WinXP does not? Please leave out the marketing
>>> spins and weasel words of "helps", "improves" and the like. Does
>>> VISTA have any real added functionality for the cost?

> The new security goes beyond what you can achieve with XP running as a
> limited user. Drivers and services have better security. User accounts no
> onger run in session 0. Vista has Address Space Layout Randomization. Vista
> has Bitlocker. Vista has parental controls. These are just a few of the
> improved or new security features. Here's a good list of what's new.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature..._Windows_Vista
>
> --
> Kerry
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
> www.VistaHelp.ca
>
>
>
>
> mgm wrote:

> > Please correct me if I'm wrong but using limited user accounts in XP
> > (configuring for security) and free 3rd party software accomplished
> > the same thing. I installed programs and did system changes with
> > admin priviledges in XP. I used my applications, surfed the web as a
> > limited user. Again, I ask what is the added, new functionality for
> > the cost?
> > "Mark D. VandenBeg" <mvan103@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:uh8DbzcsGHA.3904@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> >> The security of the UAC, while a bother to many doing the actual
> >> testing of these betas, will prevent many average users and curious
> >> business users from either installing, modifying or deleting
> >> something they should not, and also prevent most of the common forms
> >> of malware from running, because these users and malwares will not
> >> have the access to the elevated level of permissions. That, is one
> >> of the ways that Vista is significantly different from XP.
> >>
> >> "mgm" <mgmombo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ucFh0ucsGHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>> Perhaps I'm simply a cynical consumer but any product deeming
> >>> itself as "New AND Improved" must pass a simple test; it it has to
> >>> increase it's functionality while using the same, or ideally less
> >>> available resources. Ideally this "New and Improved" product would
> >>> do more and use less. Routinely, most new products may do a little
> >>> more for a little more resources. Resources, be it time, money,
> >>> hardware, or labor, are finite. Resources aren't limitless unless
> >>> we're in the Garden of Eden. A whopping 16GB OS install takes about
> >>> 400% more of my hard drive resource than XP sp2 Pro does. Maybe
> >>> I'm missing the point of VISTA but an OS that uses 16GB of
> >>> hard-drive just to install and will need at least 1GB RAM to
> >>> minimally perform seems to be an immense resource waste. Can anyone
> >>> please point out and explain exactly what new functionality Windows
> >>> VISTA has that WinXP does not? Please leave out the marketing
> >>> spins and weasel words of "helps", "improves" and the like. Does
> >>> VISTA have any real added functionality for the cost?

>
>
>

> The security of the UAC, while a bother to many doing the actual testing
> of these betas, will prevent many average users and curious business users
> from either installing, modifying or deleting something they should not,
> and also prevent most of the common forms of malware from running, because
> these users and malwares will not have the access to the elevated level of
> permissions. That, is one of the ways that Vista is significantly
> different from XP.
>
> "mgm" <mgmombo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ucFh0ucsGHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Perhaps I'm simply a cynical consumer but any product deeming itself as
>> "New AND Improved" must pass a simple test; it it has to increase it's
>> functionality while using the same, or ideally less available resources.
>> Ideally this "New and Improved" product would do more and use less.
>> Routinely, most new products may do a little more for a little more
>> resources. Resources, be it time, money, hardware, or labor, are finite.
>> Resources aren't limitless unless we're in the Garden of Eden. A whopping
>> 16GB OS install takes about 400% more of my hard drive resource than XP
>> sp2 Pro does. Maybe I'm missing the point of VISTA but an OS that uses
>> 16GB of hard-drive just to install and will need at least 1GB RAM to
>> minimally perform seems to be an immense resource waste. Can anyone
>> please point out and explain exactly what new functionality Windows VISTA
>> has that WinXP does not? Please leave out the marketing spins and weasel
>> words of "helps", "improves" and the like. Does VISTA have any real
>> added functionality for the cost?
>>

>
>

> The security of the UAC, while a bother to many doing the actual testing of
> these betas, will prevent many average users and curious business users from
> either installing, modifying or deleting something they should not, and also
> prevent most of the common forms of malware from running, because these
> users and malwares will not have the access to the elevated level of
> permissions. That, is one of the ways that Vista is significantly different
> from XP.
>
> "mgm" <mgmombo@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ucFh0ucsGHA.4612@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>

>>Perhaps I'm simply a cynical consumer but any product deeming itself as
>>"New AND Improved" must pass a simple test; it it has to increase it's
>>functionality while using the same, or ideally less available resources.
>>Ideally this "New and Improved" product would do more and use less.
>>Routinely, most new products may do a little more for a little more
>>resources. Resources, be it time, money, hardware, or labor, are finite.
>>Resources aren't limitless unless we're in the Garden of Eden. A whopping
>>16GB OS install takes about 400% more of my hard drive resource than XP
>>sp2 Pro does. Maybe I'm missing the point of VISTA but an OS that uses
>>16GB of hard-drive just to install and will need at least 1GB RAM to
>>minimally perform seems to be an immense resource waste. Can anyone please
>>point out and explain exactly what new functionality Windows VISTA has
>>that WinXP does not? Please leave out the marketing spins and weasel
>>words of "helps", "improves" and the like. Does VISTA have any real added
>>functionality for the cost?
>>

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