Vista Installation Recommendations...

1) You always want to install the oldest Windows version first when one is
older i.e. XP and Vista (not the situation here).
2) You can format one of the XP boots off using Disk management from the
other, and in this case since they are both XP I don't see how it matters.
3) Then you can tell setup to install Vista to the one you formatted.
4) As Colin said, running the setup from the remaining XP allows you to
install Vista on its drive without your Drive letters being dictated by the
bios and changing.
5) A little unrelated, but if you had a dual boot and wanted to change the
default boot, you can do so by typing sysdm.cpol or getting to System
Properties via the Windows + Pause Break key or the control panel >Advanced
tab>Settings button at Startup and Recovery (bottom button)>Default
Operating System (select on the pull down at the top of the Startup and
Recovery dialogue box.

CH


"Orgbrat" <orgbrat@noemail.noemail> wrote in message
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>I have a current dual boot system with two installed copies of XP on two
>seperate physical 500GB drives ( C: and D: ) with each drive
> partioned as a single primary partition. The C: drive XP was installed
> first if it matters. I want to install a clean install of Vista on the C:
> drive
> maintaing the dual boot system setup. I have read where I have two
> options, one option is to run Vista setup from the DVD and try to make
> sure that I format the C: drive and then install to the C: drive. The
> other option is to boot into the XP OS that is installed on the D: drive,
> format
> the C: drive and start the Vista setup from within that install of XP. Can
> someone tell me if these statements are true? Or is there a better way to
> do this. I want to end up with Vista on the C: drive because at some point
> in the future, I want to get rid of the XP install. Can anyone give
> me some guidance as to what would be the best way to perform this process
> without bothering the XP install on the D; drive. Thanks....
>
>
> Steve Graddy
>

Or simply use VistaBoot Pro 3.1.

"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
news:eT3A3Z9IHHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> 5) A little unrelated, but if you had a dual boot and wanted to change the
> default boot, you can do so by typing sysdm.cpol or getting to System
> Properties via the Windows + Pause Break key or the control panel

> >Advanced tab>Settings button at Startup and Recovery (bottom

> button)>Default Operating System (select on the pull down at the top of
> the Startup and Recovery dialogue box.
>
> CH
>
>

Yessir--lol I wasn't posting to contradict anything. It seemed he had
several options. I know there is an option in setup I forget the precise
location --a hyperlink on the screen to format as well isn't there?

CH


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:831F1803-12AD-46C1-BCD4-2A8979FBD00F@microsoft.com...

> Or simply use VistaBoot Pro 3.1.
>
> "Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
> news:eT3A3Z9IHHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> 5) A little unrelated, but if you had a dual boot and wanted to change
>> the default boot, you can do so by typing sysdm.cpol or getting to System
>> Properties via the Windows + Pause Break key or the control panel

>> >Advanced tab>Settings button at Startup and Recovery (bottom

>> button)>Default Operating System (select on the pull down at the top of
>> the Startup and Recovery dialogue box.
>>
>> CH
>>
>>

>

Format is reached through the Advanced Options button, if that is what you
mean. AO is only available to me when I boot with the dvd to start Setup.
I cannot find it when I start Setup from the legacy (or other Vista)
desktop. This is why it is rather daunting to do a classic clean install
from an Upgrade Edition.

"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
news:%23KzZhG%23IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Yessir--lol I wasn't posting to contradict anything. It seemed he had
> several options. I know there is an option in setup I forget the precise
> location --a hyperlink on the screen to format as well isn't there?
>
> CH
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:831F1803-12AD-46C1-BCD4-2A8979FBD00F@microsoft.com...

>> Or simply use VistaBoot Pro 3.1.
>>
>> "Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
>> news:eT3A3Z9IHHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>> 5) A little unrelated, but if you had a dual boot and wanted to change
>>> the default boot, you can do so by typing sysdm.cpol or getting to
>>> System Properties via the Windows + Pause Break key or the control panel
>>> >Advanced tab>Settings button at Startup and Recovery (bottom
>>> button)>Default Operating System (select on the pull down at the top of
>>> the Startup and Recovery dialogue box.
>>>
>>> CH
>>>
>>>

>>

>

That's where I'd seen it. I think I've mentioned this (what's been
happening to me) before but I consider this a bug/glitch and would like to
hear Darrell Gorter's /Vinny Flint or someone who helped build setup at
Redmond's reaction. It thew me for a little bit at first, but not for long.

This gets in the nexus of what happens when you use older but plenty
adequate hardware and Vista setup. Ever since Build 5472 I was prevented
from running Vista setup from the XP CD.

Beginning with Build 5472 through RTM, when I try to setup Vista on a dual
boot from XP I get stopped on an early setup screen, the one that allows you
to pick which drive you want to install to by selecting a Custom/Advanced
install (the click on the 5th screen down here):

http://www.windowsvista.windowsreins...whdd/index.htm

When I select custom/advanced as I always do, from XP (5472 and through
6000...) I get that "you cannot complete setup because your IDE controller
cannot run Vista. I would like to find the author or authors of that
screen and that error message, and I'm going to try because he/she/they in
Redmondland are dead wrong. When it first happened to me, I thought "well,
some update somehow had me spooked because I sure had no problem running
setup every build since the little baby Beta hit the delivery room back in
July 2005."

I had to reboot because of a shell crash I couldn't prevent or recover from
by restarting the shell (typing explorer.exe into the XP New Apps run box
reached through Task Man will prevent the shell crash and most IE crashes in
my experience 85% of the time). When I rebooted, I still had the Vista DVD
in, and it went of coure into setup, and I tried it again and this time it
allowed me to sail through and I have had setup times varying from 30
minutes to my record of 16 minutes ever since. 5480 was faster than RTM for
me, but I have no idea why.

Since I have to boot from the DVD and not from XP on that particular box, I
have been seeing the format option. I'd like to know why they give people a
*false message in Vista setup from XP* and tell them they can't run setup
when they absolutely can. I consider this a more serious error glitch than
the fact that the Upgrade Advisor is seriously wrong much of the time.

CH

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:312E9925-0023-4690-B318-5A87F26EAB2C@microsoft.com...

> Format is reached through the Advanced Options button, if that is what you
> mean. AO is only available to me when I boot with the dvd to start Setup.
> I cannot find it when I start Setup from the legacy (or other Vista)
> desktop. This is why it is rather daunting to do a classic clean install
> from an Upgrade Edition.
>
> "Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
> news:%23KzZhG%23IHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Yessir--lol I wasn't posting to contradict anything. It seemed he had
>> several options. I know there is an option in setup I forget the precise
>> location --a hyperlink on the screen to format as well isn't there?
>>
>> CH
>>
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:831F1803-12AD-46C1-BCD4-2A8979FBD00F@microsoft.com...

>>> Or simply use VistaBoot Pro 3.1.
>>>
>>> "Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eT3A3Z9IHHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> 5) A little unrelated, but if you had a dual boot and wanted to change
>>>> the default boot, you can do so by typing sysdm.cpol or getting to
>>>> System Properties via the Windows + Pause Break key or the control
>>>> panel >Advanced tab>Settings button at Startup and Recovery (bottom
>>>> button)>Default Operating System (select on the pull down at the top of
>>>> the Startup and Recovery dialogue box.
>>>>
>>>> CH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

>>

>

What a bizarre sequence of events. Thanks for sharing all the data.

What do you mean by the "false message in Vista setup from XP" about not
being able to run Setup?

"Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
news:%23zOzQL$IHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> That's where I'd seen it. I think I've mentioned this (what's been
> happening to me) before but I consider this a bug/glitch and would like to
> hear Darrell Gorter's /Vinny Flint or someone who helped build setup at
> Redmond's reaction. It thew me for a little bit at first, but not for
> long.
>
> This gets in the nexus of what happens when you use older but plenty
> adequate hardware and Vista setup. Ever since Build 5472 I was prevented
> from running Vista setup from the XP CD.
>
> Beginning with Build 5472 through RTM, when I try to setup Vista on a dual
> boot from XP I get stopped on an early setup screen, the one that allows
> you to pick which drive you want to install to by selecting a
> Custom/Advanced install (the click on the 5th screen down here):
>
> http://www.windowsvista.windowsreins...whdd/index.htm
>
> When I select custom/advanced as I always do, from XP (5472 and through
> 6000...) I get that "you cannot complete setup because your IDE controller
> cannot run Vista. I would like to find the author or authors of that
> screen and that error message, and I'm going to try because he/she/they
> in Redmondland are dead wrong. When it first happened to me, I thought
> "well, some update somehow had me spooked because I sure had no problem
> running setup every build since the little baby Beta hit the delivery room
> back in July 2005."
>
> I had to reboot because of a shell crash I couldn't prevent or recover
> from by restarting the shell (typing explorer.exe into the XP New Apps run
> box reached through Task Man will prevent the shell crash and most IE
> crashes in my experience 85% of the time). When I rebooted, I still had
> the Vista DVD in, and it went of coure into setup, and I tried it again
> and this time it allowed me to sail through and I have had setup times
> varying from 30 minutes to my record of 16 minutes ever since. 5480 was
> faster than RTM for me, but I have no idea why.
>
> Since I have to boot from the DVD and not from XP on that particular box,
> I have been seeing the format option. I'd like to know why they give
> people a *false message in Vista setup from XP* and tell them they can't
> run setup when they absolutely can. I consider this a more serious error
> glitch than the fact that the Upgrade Advisor is seriously wrong much of
> the time.
>
> CH
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:312E9925-0023-4690-B318-5A87F26EAB2C@microsoft.com...

>> Format is reached through the Advanced Options button, if that is what
>> you mean. AO is only available to me when I boot with the dvd to start
>> Setup. I cannot find it when I start Setup from the legacy (or other
>> Vista) desktop. This is why it is rather daunting to do a classic clean
>> install from an Upgrade Edition.
>>

Hey folks, Thanks for all the good info... Let me make sure that I
understand wht you are saying.

1) Since I want Vista to end up on the C: drive, I am going to boot into the
XP install that is currently
loaded on the D: drive ( which was the XP install that was installed
last) . I am then going to go
to Disk Management Console and format the C: drive.
2) Insert the Vista dvd from the currently running install of XP desktop and
perform a new install of
Vista to the freshly formatted C: drive.
3) When everything is done and I reboot, I should have a Vista and XP dual
boot with all the XP
file structure intact and correct on the D: drive and Vista ready to
start loading applications on the
C: drive....

Can you guys confirm what I am understanding?

Steve

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:333683AC-3E44-4DED-BBC9-BDBB41EA9014@microsoft.com...

> What a bizarre sequence of events. Thanks for sharing all the data.
>
> What do you mean by the "false message in Vista setup from XP" about not
> being able to run Setup?
>
> "Chad Harris" <msftneedstogetoutvistainfo.net> wrote in message
> news:%23zOzQL$IHHA.1424@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> That's where I'd seen it. I think I've mentioned this (what's been
>> happening to me) before but I consider this a bug/glitch and would like
>> to hear Darrell Gorter's /Vinny Flint or someone who helped build setup
>> at Redmond's reaction. It thew me for a little bit at first, but not for
>> long.
>>
>> This gets in the nexus of what happens when you use older but plenty
>> adequate hardware and Vista setup. Ever since Build 5472 I was prevented
>> from running Vista setup from the XP CD.
>>
>> Beginning with Build 5472 through RTM, when I try to setup Vista on a
>> dual boot from XP I get stopped on an early setup screen, the one that
>> allows you to pick which drive you want to install to by selecting a
>> Custom/Advanced install (the click on the 5th screen down here):
>>
>> http://www.windowsvista.windowsreins...whdd/index.htm
>>
>> When I select custom/advanced as I always do, from XP (5472 and through
>> 6000...) I get that "you cannot complete setup because your IDE
>> controller cannot run Vista. I would like to find the author or authors
>> of that screen and that error message, and I'm going to try because
>> he/she/they in Redmondland are dead wrong. When it first happened to me,
>> I thought "well, some update somehow had me spooked because I sure had no
>> problem running setup every build since the little baby Beta hit the
>> delivery room back in July 2005."
>>
>> I had to reboot because of a shell crash I couldn't prevent or recover
>> from by restarting the shell (typing explorer.exe into the XP New Apps
>> run box reached through Task Man will prevent the shell crash and most IE
>> crashes in my experience 85% of the time). When I rebooted, I still had
>> the Vista DVD in, and it went of coure into setup, and I tried it again
>> and this time it allowed me to sail through and I have had setup times
>> varying from 30 minutes to my record of 16 minutes ever since. 5480 was
>> faster than RTM for me, but I have no idea why.
>>
>> Since I have to boot from the DVD and not from XP on that particular box,
>> I have been seeing the format option. I'd like to know why they give
>> people a *false message in Vista setup from XP* and tell them they can't
>> run setup when they absolutely can. I consider this a more serious error
>> glitch than the fact that the Upgrade Advisor is seriously wrong much of
>> the time.
>>
>> CH
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:312E9925-0023-4690-B318-5A87F26EAB2C@microsoft.com...

>>> Format is reached through the Advanced Options button, if that is what
>>> you mean. AO is only available to me when I boot with the dvd to start
>>> Setup. I cannot find it when I start Setup from the legacy (or other
>>> Vista) desktop. This is why it is rather daunting to do a classic clean
>>> install from an Upgrade Edition.
>>>

>

If you install from the desktop on D: you will overwriting C:. I understood
you to say that C: was the original Windows installation. If so, it contains
the boot loader for both copies of XP and the mbr. Isn't C: marked as the
boot drive in XP Disk Manager?

I think you want to reverse and use D: for Vista so that you do not lose the
ability to boot the XP on D: (as a result of having formatted C.

Keep in mind that the drive letter for Vista is not significant. It just
doesn't matter. It can be D:, or G:, or Z:. It just does not affect how
the system works.

If you insist on seeing "C:" when you boot up Vista then install by booting
from the dvd. That will force Vista to use the BIOS enumeration instead of
that seen in XP. You will still have a boot options screen. You will see
different drive lettering for the same drives when in each of the two OS's
but that is not significant either.

Name your drives so that you do not get confused by letters.

"Orgbrat" <orgbrat@noemail.noemail> wrote in message
news:%23PdEtiFJHHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Hey folks, Thanks for all the good info... Let me make sure that I
> understand wht you are saying.
>
> 1) Since I want Vista to end up on the C: drive, I am going to boot into
> the XP install that is currently
> loaded on the D: drive ( which was the XP install that was installed
> last) . I am then going to go
> to Disk Management Console and format the C: drive.
> 2) Insert the Vista dvd from the currently running install of XP desktop
> and perform a new install of
> Vista to the freshly formatted C: drive.
> 3) When everything is done and I reboot, I should have a Vista and XP dual
> boot with all the XP
> file structure intact and correct on the D: drive and Vista ready to
> start loading applications on the
> C: drive....
>
> Can you guys confirm what I am understanding?
>
> Steve